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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 7, 2022 9:54:05 GMT -6
So we win a couple of games and now he should stay? We can't afford a buyout of his contract but look at the attendance today and we can't afford to keep him and the boosters. The problem with attendance and boosters is bigger than football. It’s an athletic department problem. Don’t be surprised if there are changes at the department level. The changes at that level probably will protect Bob from changes at his level…at least for the next year. Disagree. The USD football fanbase has always had attendance issues. We just can't seem to break through a certain ceiling, even when we have good teams and host a playoff game. Look at the other programs though, Volleyball, women's basketball, both get great support and attendance. That does not point to some issue in the AD. For some reason MBB and Football is lagging and it has everything to do with winning. I'd be shocked if they removed Herbster. Frankly, it would be a stupid thing to do given everything he has done during his tenure as AD. I could make the case he could move on to a bigger AD job very easily.
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Post by coffeedrinker11 on Nov 7, 2022 10:00:08 GMT -6
As I have thought about this for the last few weeks I have been oscillating. I do not think I can count this year in the equation. First the schedule we started with. No need to cover that. Second the OC problem. That alone is enough to give a HC a pass. Third, and I believe this is related to the OC, is what happened to our QB. Could Bob have been more proactive? Maybe but without being there or having an in to the offensive room I am not in a position to judge. From the outside Bob may have been too loyal to both the OC and QB. That is easy to say in hindsight, but not so easy to see while it's happening. He graduates players, he's loyal to his players and coaches. All good leadership qualities. He deserves and will get my support.
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Post by dbyote on Nov 7, 2022 10:06:39 GMT -6
I voted to cut him loose at the end of the year, but I am totally open to bringing him back. I agree with coffeedrinker11 in that Bob falls into the good dude category. That is worth something. It won't put you over the top, but it may extend the leash. I do think we should start planning for life after Bob though with our assistant hires.
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Post by GoYotes on Nov 7, 2022 10:16:21 GMT -6
The problem with attendance and boosters is bigger than football. It’s an athletic department problem. Don’t be surprised if there are changes at the department level. The changes at that level probably will protect Bob from changes at his level…at least for the next year. Disagree. The USD football fanbase has always had attendance issues. We just can't seem to break through a certain ceiling, even when we have good teams and host a playoff game. Look at the other programs though, Volleyball, women's basketball, both get great support and attendance. That does not point to some issue in the AD. For some reason MBB and Football is lagging and it has everything to do with winning. I'd be shocked if they removed Herbster. Frankly, it would be a stupid thing to do given everything he has done during his tenure as AD. I could make the case he could move on to a bigger AD job very easily. Getting rid of Herbster would be beyond stupid.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 7, 2022 10:35:34 GMT -6
If you believe in bringing Bob back, do you believe in extending his contract? He only has 1 year left on it right now. That situation would be very constraining.
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Post by usdcoyote on Nov 7, 2022 10:35:46 GMT -6
The problem with attendance and boosters is bigger than football. It’s an athletic department problem. Don’t be surprised if there are changes at the department level. The changes at that level probably will protect Bob from changes at his level…at least for the next year. Could well be. But we are at a crossroads with Bob. I don’t think the university can simply allow Bob to play out next season as a lame duck. This plays a little bit into what CE said above. I thought we had some young depth guys fill in and play well yesterday. BUT, I am afraid any talk of retaining Bob and allowing him to hire a new OC and make any other changes will be seriously hindered if he doesn’t get a new contract. What decent coach is coming to a new school to work for a HC with zero security? We know the assistants only get 1 year deals so they have leas security, but they likely tie their security to the HC. I just don’t see him playing out the 1 year unless they’re just going to keep the offensive staff in tact, and simply promote from within & make Warren or Paopao the OC. If they were going to do that, they could’ve already named one the interim OC. We are in a tough spot. If we can't fire Bob due to finances, we are really in a pickle. Easmus made the point about the trouble getting a quality OC in when the head coach is on the last year of his contract. And to expand on that, it can also be tough to bring in players when it appears the coach is a lame duck. But we can't exactly extend him either, or we will constantly be in a position to have to pay a buy out if we want to get rid of him. And how motivated is Bob going to be to get out there and recruit when it appears we are just waiting for his contract to end so we can get rid of him without owing him anything? You almost have to extend him or fire him. The damage of playing out a lame duck season could be more than what we will owe him.
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MD
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Post by MD on Nov 7, 2022 10:42:44 GMT -6
Disagree. The USD football fanbase has always had attendance issues. We just can't seem to break through a certain ceiling, even when we have good teams and host a playoff game. Look at the other programs though, Volleyball, women's basketball, both get great support and attendance. That does not point to some issue in the AD. For some reason MBB and Football is lagging and it has everything to do with winning. I'd be shocked if they removed Herbster. Frankly, it would be a stupid thing to do given everything he has done during his tenure as AD. I could make the case he could move on to a bigger AD job very easily. Getting rid of Herbster would be beyond stupid. I'm not 100% sure of what to do with HC of the football team, but I'm 10000% sure running Herbster out of town would be an epic mistake.
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Post by nccyote on Nov 7, 2022 11:02:33 GMT -6
Win consistently and fans will show up. Being 2-6 doesn't exactly inspire someone to give up a Saturday and drive in from Sioux Falls to witness a dud. You want fans, win....period. I have season tickets and have had to drag myself to games lately and have often been disappointed by my decision to do so. And I'm a former player, imagine the causal fan's perspective. If you want large suprt you have to deliver with wins, consistently.
And don't come at with last year's poor playoff game attendance either. A bad late season home loss, big win(lucky) vs. bunnies, getting our doors blown off in Fargo, and thanksgiving weekend contributed to a lack luster crowd in the Dome. Did I mention consistency?
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Post by yote18 on Nov 7, 2022 11:21:15 GMT -6
Attendance will improve once the product improves. I’m not entirely sure why anyone would even want fire herbster because of that. And anyone advocating for it is just trying to do a smoke and mirrors tactic. Most of these comments changing heart after a win is exactly what I was getting at before. Our fan base is so content with mediocre seasons and programs that as long as the coach is a good guy and produces an occasional marquee win and winning season we should keep them around.
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 7, 2022 12:06:09 GMT -6
Getting rid of Herbster would be beyond stupid. I'm not 100% sure of what to do with HC of the football team, but I'm 10000% sure running Herbster out of town would be an epic mistake. I know right. That's why when I read that post blaming the football problems as some bigger issues inside the AD and to expect changes at the top I was like WTF? That would be the dumbest thing. Look at all the new facilities, fundraising, and how most of the programs in the AD are rolling and at the top of the conference. Yeah, we've struggle din football and haven't won the SLT in MBB. We really need to get over those humps but everything else is in great shape.
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 7, 2022 12:12:06 GMT -6
Attendance will improve once the product improves. I’m not entirely sure why anyone would even want fire herbster because of that. And anyone advocating for it is just trying to do a smoke and mirrors tactic. Most of these comments changing heart after a win is exactly what I was getting at before. Our fan base is so content with mediocre seasons and programs that as long as the coach is a good guy and produces an occasional marquee win and winning season we should keep them around. At the same time, it is hard to build something if you are constantly starting over. I don't think our fan base is content with mediocre seasons. Look at the discussion here. I think the discussion is about how much patience do we show. Having patience is not accepting mediocrity. If we show patience and keep Bob will we be rewarded? Do we follow the SDSU model and stick it out with Bob like they stuck it out with Stig? That's the million dollar question.
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Post by fightsd on Nov 7, 2022 12:26:05 GMT -6
Attendance will improve once the product improves. I’m not entirely sure why anyone would even want fire herbster because of that. And anyone advocating for it is just trying to do a smoke and mirrors tactic. Most of these comments changing heart after a win is exactly what I was getting at before. Our fan base is so content with mediocre seasons and programs that as long as the coach is a good guy and produces an occasional marquee win and winning season we should keep them around. At the same time, it is hard to build something if you are constantly starting over. I don't think our fan base is content with mediocre seasons. Look at the discussion here. I think the discussion is about how much patience do we show. Having patience is not accepting mediocrity. If we show patience and keep Bob will we be rewarded? Do we follow the SDSU model and stick it out with Bob like they stuck it out with Stig? That's the million dollar question. It's not really the same situation. I think Stig is a colossal douche bag and a grade A phoney, but he has produced conference contenders year in and year out. He was a young and hungry coach when they hired him. Nobody planned on him being there for 20 some seasons. Bob wasn't hired to be a 20 season coach and slowly bring the program to that level, he was in his late 50s when he got to campus. He was hired to win now, and outside of a couple seasons, he really hasn't done that.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 7, 2022 13:53:20 GMT -6
If Bob were 10 years younger I'd be more apt to extend the leash. There's little chance of building much of a future with him now.
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Post by soofooyote on Nov 7, 2022 14:08:27 GMT -6
If you believe in bringing Bob back, do you believe in extending his contract? He only has 1 year left on it right now. That situation would be very constraining. If we bring him back I think his team plays for his extension next season. You can communicate those expectations to him. Make the playoffs and a nice juicy extension is out there, lay an egg, and you are packing your bags.
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Post by easmus on Nov 7, 2022 14:42:20 GMT -6
Pretty sure Herbster’s youngest graduates this spring. Probably not a bad time to look to leave if one was so inclined.
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