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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Mar 3, 2024 13:22:37 GMT -6
Oh I’m not trying to correct anybody. You might be right on the money. I have no idea. I’m just saying it’s really hard to say what all is going into a locker room mix.
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Post by jorjo on Mar 3, 2024 13:59:38 GMT -6
Are we better than we were in December? That answer is no.
Was last years team better in March than they were in December? That answer is no.
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Post by johnh on Mar 5, 2024 17:47:38 GMT -6
We have a history of starting Seniors on Senior Day. Megan Bonar started. Claudia Kunzer started. Those two senior non-starters come immediately to mind. I really don’t get it. For that matter, I don’t get why Morgan was fifth off the bench and often did not play. She played in 12 games, 64 minutes, compared to 30 games, 22 starts, and 551 minutes last year. Oh well.
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Post by marco on Mar 5, 2024 17:53:16 GMT -6
we are better than last year won 20 games. We will have Kayla first recruits coming in next year
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Post by fanatic on Mar 6, 2024 13:12:47 GMT -6
They might have won 20 games but who did they beat that was any good.
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Post by dbyote on Mar 6, 2024 14:16:55 GMT -6
They might have won 20 games but who did they beat that was any good. Nobody. We're an average low major team right now. Remove grace and we probably don't win 10. |
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Post by marco on Mar 6, 2024 14:45:22 GMT -6
She needs to get her own players in next year we will see
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Post by elcoyote on Mar 6, 2024 15:41:27 GMT -6
They might have won 20 games but who did they beat that was any good. Hey! We get it. You hate Karius. You never post on anything else except for the constant bitching and complaining about how bad everything is with women's hoops. It gets old. I'm just curious as to what your reason or real agenda is. |
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Post by dbyote on Mar 6, 2024 16:00:41 GMT -6
They might have won 20 games but who did they beat that was any good. Hey! We get it. You hate Karius. You never post on anything else except for the constant bitching and complaining about how bad everything is with women's hoops. It gets old. I'm just curious as to what your reason or real agenda is. You can ask questions and make points without "hating" the coach. He isn't wrong in that we've fallen a long way from where we were. The unanswered questions is if or when we can get back to anything that resembles that. I do not have anything against Karius but I too have yet to see anything in the way of development or in game coaching that gets me excited for the future. It's a fair criticism. Arguing about whose players they are is a valid point, but a great coach is able to maximize their strengths, whatever they may be. I haven't seen that at all yet. Shortfalls in that department can be made up in the way of recruiting better players, but even then the team's ceiling is potentially limited by in-game coaching abilities. I hope she brings in fantastic players and develops into a good coach as she gets more experience but right now the odds of her out-coaching that guy in Brookings is slim to none. That is the measuring stick for our program and will be for the foreseeable future. |
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Post by yote18 on Mar 6, 2024 16:42:30 GMT -6
They might have won 20 games but who did they beat that was any good. Hey! We get it. You hate Karius. You never post on anything else except for the constant bitching and complaining about how bad everything is with women's hoops. It gets old. I'm just curious as to what your reason or real agenda is. I mean it is a fair statement. You subtract out the 3 non-D1’s and you’re looking at 17 wins. I’m in the camp of we gotta see how next season plays out but I still think certain levels of criticism are fair this season. We may have gotten to 20 wins but let’s not pretend we didn’t struggle against some bad teams and that the schedule that got us there is impressive in terms of the quality of most opponents. |
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Post by jorjo on Mar 6, 2024 16:51:55 GMT -6
She needs to get her own players in next year we will see (you say this so much I’m beginning to think you’re trolling us) I hope next years freshman are amazing freshman that help the program win many games for many years, but expecting them to come in and significantly change next years teams trajectory is wildly misled. They will be freshman, likely very similar from an offer standpoint of the current freshman on this years team. Likely 2-3 years away from influencing winning in any major way. |
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 6, 2024 17:57:49 GMT -6
I hesitate to wade into this hate-fest, but I did want to make one technical point: We are, by most objective metrics, better this year than last year. I won't speculate as to injuries vs talent vs coaching, or any of that. You all can have your own take on it. But think about this:
Last year our HIGHEST NET ranking was 180 in mid-December. We ended up with an NET of 222. This year our highest NET ranking was 99 in early December. We are now #138. The NET isn't perfect, but Strength-of-schedule is absolutely worked into the formula. I also would say that NDSU and ORU have objectively taken a large step forward as well. This year's Yote tournament team would destroy last year's Yote tournament team (yes, injuries was a factor), and yet we find ourselves at a 4-seed again. We are better, but NDSU and ORU are a lot better.
Personally, I think I agree with those who have pointed to athleticism as being a big issue. That's something that recruiting is the answer to. And these coaches seem to place a lot of energy into that.
I don't know what the answer is, but we certainly are not going to get rid of a 2nd-year 20-win coach, are we? So let's keep supporting them, and hope for the best. They might just surprise us (in a good way).
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Post by marco on Mar 6, 2024 18:49:41 GMT -6
It's not going to happen over nite . Only if we score a winner in the portal other wise it might take 2 or 3 years of good recruiting. Look at the bad season Coach P had as great of a coach she is you need talent
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Post by elcoyote on Mar 6, 2024 19:43:21 GMT -6
Hey! We get it. You hate Karius. You never post on anything else except for the constant bitching and complaining about how bad everything is with women's hoops. It gets old. I'm just curious as to what your reason or real agenda is. I mean it is a fair statement. You subtract out the 3 non-D1’s and you’re looking at 17 wins. I’m in the camp of we gotta see how next season plays out but I still think certain levels of criticism are fair this season. We may have gotten to 20 wins but let’s not pretend we didn’t struggle against some bad teams and that the schedule that got us there is impressive in terms of the quality of most opponents. No, what irks me id the fact that there are a few newer posters who comment on nothing else but women's basketball, and from the very beginning have been all over our coaching staff's asses about absolutely every little thing possible. You'll never convince me that there's no personal agenda. Do I wish we were back on top? Sure. That's why I buy season tickets, support the Howling Pack and donate to "Unite for USD". I'll stick to my guns that Plietzeweit left the program much worse than she inherited and face it, if it hadn't been for Covid there wouldn't have been any Sweet 16 team because Lamb, Sjerven and Korngable would have all been out of eligibility. Karius has had to come in and start from scratch. Those of you bitch about culture, the fanbase is part of that, and what we have on here are some extremists who seem to want to tear everything down. We went through this in football a few years ago in football with one player's dad who was absolutely off the wall with his criticisms of the coaches and even other players because his kid got switched from QB to the defensive side of the ball. |
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Post by caliyote on Mar 7, 2024 9:12:56 GMT -6
Wow! I think everyone needs to sit back and give this situation time. The bottom line is we hired a head coach with no experience so we as a University made a commitment that it will take time. That is the decision that was made by administration and we need to accept that and support it. Remember when we hired Amy W and Dawn P they were both sitting head coaches with a lot of experience. We did not go in that direction so give Coach K a chance to grow.
As far as Coach P leaving the program n a worst situation than she inherited is probably not accurate. When she came into her first year the program graduated over 85 percent of their points from the Nit championship team and had very little experience. Also the conference was the best it had ever been according to an rpi standpoint.. She was able to maximize and develop players and add a few pieces. Surely not an indictment on Coach K but guessing they were at different places in their coaching experience and development when taking over the job. Let’s also remember if Maddie K and Kyah W would have stayed how things might look different. It is my understanding Coach K had the chance to sell her vision to both before either decided to leave and they did not want to stay through her learning curve. So is the nature of college athletics unfortunately. Bottom line is both Coach K and Coach P and Coach Amy W will always be Yotes and comparing or bashing them will not help in the process of Coach K building her own program. I am sure that the coach up north was very happy to see Coach Amy W and Coach Dawn P to move on. Now we need to support Coach Kayla so he does not want to play the Yotes in the future. FYI as far as the three seniors getting an extra year and otherwise do not make the sweet 16??? Remember all the other kids got an extra year as well plus a 30-2 team had their season cancelled. Just admit the program was rolling and we hope Coach K gets us back there.
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