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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Apr 4, 2024 10:26:04 GMT -6
Toxic seems like a bit of a stretch.
It seems to me that if message board comments are affecting matters within a program, the problems are probably already too far gone and deep-seated to deal with.
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 4, 2024 10:50:17 GMT -6
From what I know, we are lucky we only lost 3 to the portal/retirement. Jewett is the team's salvation, the players love and respect him! The toxicity of this forum doesn't help matters either. It is easy to hide behind an avatar, criticize and degrade a player or coach's decision. I only know of 2 in the portal, plus the players who were seniors. Are you talking about NAA not pursuing her COVID year, or is there another player "retiring"? Because from what we know, NAA's decision had very little to do with our coaches. Remember Monica Arens? She also "retired" for her extra year due to the difficulty in playing sports and completing a medical degree (nursing in her case). Also: you realize that you are simultaneously throwing shade at Kayla and also criticizing people who throw shade at players and coaches, right? pot; meet kettle. |
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Apr 4, 2024 11:10:02 GMT -6
Also, and I'm not saying this is true in all cases, but on most basketball teams the distant asshole is the head coach and one of the assistants is the one who talks you down/pumps you up/holds your hand.
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Post by hoopsmom on Apr 4, 2024 11:21:26 GMT -6
A couple things...
First, being recruited by one set of coaches, and having a relationship with them, especially as a 17- or 18-year-old going far from home, is a big thing. Arriving on campus to a completely different set of coaches, whom you have not talked to at all, can really affect you. Sometimes players can work through this, sometimes they cannot. It depends on both the coaches and the players, a combination of the two.
Second, it is a two-way street. In most cases, players will get out of a program some multiple of what they put in. There are exceptions, as in my daughter’s first year, at New Mexico. No amount of “putting in” was going to give her anything back from that coaching staff. In that case, it is better to cut your ties and move on. Hannah was fortunate to come to South Dakota, where coaches, especially Kayla, worked with her during her redshirt year to develop areas that she needed work on. She was also fortunate that she had a redshirt year to do this, where she wasn’t being criticized during games or on a message board.
Third, these are young ladies, many of whom have not been away from home. They do have people talking to them, advising them, and sometimes they have to stand up for themselves, and do what they think is best for themselves. Sometimes that means going home. Sometimes it doesn’t. But, the best thing that we can offer is to support these young ladies, who played their hearts out for our team, be it for one year or five years. Period.
Fourth, you may think you do, but you do not have any idea what these young ladies go through in the name of sport. The toll that it takes on their bodies, on their minds, on their personal relationships. They really do give it all, making many personal sacrifices, and many of them come out with lifelong aches and pains, all in the name of playing college basketball. We are not to question their decisions, their choices, for their lives. We just need to support them.
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Post by marco on Apr 4, 2024 16:03:40 GMT -6
Must not be to bad it didn't take long to get 2 portal players to come here to play. Looks like we improved the team
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Post by dbyote on Apr 4, 2024 16:04:37 GMT -6
Elle Evans is leaving NDSU.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Apr 4, 2024 16:31:08 GMT -6
That's unfortunate for NDSU and the league as a whole, but I have to say that one makes some sense to me. She can play a lot of places and she's not going to play in an NCAA tournament in Fargo with what State is going to be doing the next couple seasons.
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Post by marco on Apr 4, 2024 16:58:26 GMT -6
She will be courted by power 5 schools. Coach P could use her. Cant be happy in Fargo
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Post by yoteforever on Apr 4, 2024 16:59:11 GMT -6
A couple things... First, being recruited by one set of coaches, and having a relationship with them, especially as a 17- or 18-year-old going far from home, is a big thing. Arriving on campus to a completely different set of coaches, whom you have not talked to at all, can really affect you. Sometimes players can work through this, sometimes they cannot. It depends on both the coaches and the players, a combination of the two. Second, it is a two-way street. In most cases, players will get out of a program some multiple of what they put in. There are exceptions, as in my daughter’s first year, at New Mexico. No amount of “putting in” was going to give her anything back from that coaching staff. In that case, it is better to cut your ties and move on. Hannah was fortunate to come to South Dakota, where coaches, especially Kayla, worked with her during her redshirt year to develop areas that she needed work on. She was also fortunate that she had a redshirt year to do this, where she wasn’t being criticized during games or on a message board. Third, these are young ladies, many of whom have not been away from home. They do have people talking to them, advising them, and sometimes they have to stand up for themselves, and do what they think is best for themselves. Sometimes that means going home. Sometimes it doesn’t. But, the best thing that we can offer is to support these young ladies, who played their hearts out for our team, be it for one year or five years. Period. Fourth, you may think you do, but you do not have any idea what these young ladies go through in the name of sport. The toll that it takes on their bodies, on their minds, on their personal relationships. They really do give it all, making many personal sacrifices, and many of them come out with lifelong aches and pains, all in the name of playing college basketball. We are not to question their decisions, their choices, for their lives. We just need to support them. Exceptional post. Words hurt. |
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Post by yotewannabe on Apr 4, 2024 17:12:12 GMT -6
Also, and I'm not saying this is true in all cases, but on most basketball teams the distant asshole is the head coach and one of the assistants is the one who talks you down/pumps you up/holds your hand. I agree with this but adding that as the head coach if you do it right you are the asshole and you also get your players to run through a brick wall for you. It’s tough to do, but ultimately should be the goal of all coaches. Some have a knack for doing this. Others learn with experience. It is almost more valuable than having all top notch skilled or athletic players. Having both of course would be amazing. |
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Post by GoYotes on Apr 4, 2024 17:37:00 GMT -6
That's unfortunate for NDSU and the league as a whole, but I have to say that one makes some sense to me. She can play a lot of places and she's not going to play in an NCAA tournament in Fargo with what State is going to be doing the next couple seasons. Let's not crown them yet. SDSU should be really good next year and likely in the following years as well, but things don't always play out the way one thinks they will. |
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Apr 4, 2024 17:53:21 GMT -6
Also, and I'm not saying this is true in all cases, but on most basketball teams the distant asshole is the head coach and one of the assistants is the one who talks you down/pumps you up/holds your hand. I agree with this but adding that as the head coach if you do it right you are the asshole and you also get your players to run through a brick wall for you. It’s tough to do, but ultimately should be the goal of all coaches. Some have a knack for doing this. Others learn with experience. It is almost more valuable than having all top notch skilled or athletic players. Having both of course would be amazing. Total and complete agreement here. |
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Apr 4, 2024 17:56:01 GMT -6
That's unfortunate for NDSU and the league as a whole, but I have to say that one makes some sense to me. She can play a lot of places and she's not going to play in an NCAA tournament in Fargo with what State is going to be doing the next couple seasons. Let's not crown them yet. SDSU should be really good next year and likely in the following years as well, but things don't always play out the way one thinks they will. Very true … but realistically this year’s State team is going to be the least talented Jacks roster we see for a while. |
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Post by elcoyote on Apr 4, 2024 21:20:53 GMT -6
From what I know, we are lucky we only lost 3 to the portal/retirement. Jewett is the team's salvation, the players love and respect him! The toxicity of this forum doesn't help matters either. It is easy to hide behind an avatar, criticize and degrade a player or coach's decision. Heaven forbid anyone be held accountable for performance. I understand your player argument somewhat. They are kids brought in to do a job they may or may not be able to do. Your argument on coaching doesn't hold water. They're well paid to do a high profile job. They should expect professional criticism. Just because some of us disapprove of the job they do doesn't mean we are personally attacking them. Inability to separate the two puts a person in snowflake territory. This is true to some degree, but if it's one or even two posters who obviously have an agenda and constantly do nothing but criticize the program and every little decision made by the coaching staff...that's a problem. Even if it's not the player's fault it's a cancer that needs to be eliminated. A good friend who was a college coach once told me he called in a freshman player after the end of the season and told her that he thought she was going to be a good player, but that it was going to be at another school because he was done dealing with her dad. Take from that what you want. |
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Post by dbyote on Apr 5, 2024 5:00:25 GMT -6
Heaven forbid anyone be held accountable for performance. I understand your player argument somewhat. They are kids brought in to do a job they may or may not be able to do. Your argument on coaching doesn't hold water. They're well paid to do a high profile job. They should expect professional criticism. Just because some of us disapprove of the job they do doesn't mean we are personally attacking them. Inability to separate the two puts a person in snowflake territory. This is true to some degree, but if it's one or even two posters who obviously have an agenda and constantly do nothing but criticize the program and every little decision made by the coaching staff...that's a problem. Even if it's not the player's fault it's a cancer that needs to be eliminated. A good friend who was a college coach once told me he called in a freshman player after the end of the season and told her that he thought she was going to be a good player, but that it was going to be at another school because he was done dealing with her dad. Take from that what you want. That's a different situation all together that would require some sort of direct interaction. If a coach is so soft that an online fan forum would make them do that, that's s different problem. Go read what the Bison fans post on their forums. It's 100 times worse than what happens here. |
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