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Post by yotefan90 on Sept 29, 2011 19:02:08 GMT -6
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Post by sdsportsfan2010 on Sept 29, 2011 19:28:09 GMT -6
They arent dominating anymore so its time for them to leave. Im sure not hosting the summit tourney really pisses them off too. I hope they go
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Post by yotefan90 on Sept 29, 2011 19:38:22 GMT -6
Personally, I like having them in the conference. Especially for men's basketball. Year in and year out, they field very strong teams and that forces the rest of the conference to keep up. If we truly want the Summit to be a mid major player when tournament time comes, we need to continue to improve. I think ORU helps us do that.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 29, 2011 21:24:06 GMT -6
I think it's fair to bring up the Summit vs Big Sky debate when it is appropriate and this is a hit against USD's decision to go Summit. I have come to terms with the Summit but Oral Roberts is a strong all sports member and I would hate to lose them.
Quite frankly Oral Roberts is becoming an outsider to the Summit's overall strategy to built towards the upper midwest. I really cannot blame ORU for looking out for what's best for their school. Going southward is probably a wise decision for them. The Summit needs to do more to ensure stability within the conference. That is one reason I believe the Summit should look towards moving towards a 12 team conference.
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Post by jackl on Sept 29, 2011 21:25:03 GMT -6
Personally, I like having them in the conference. Especially for men's basketball. Year in and year out, they field very strong teams and that forces the rest of the conference to keep up. If we truly want the Summit to be a mid major player when tournament time comes, we need to continue to improve. I think ORU helps us do that. Agreed. This would be a huge loss. Along with mens bb, they have a top flight baseball program and womens bb also.
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 30, 2011 8:13:52 GMT -6
You all know what I have to say about this. Next it will be Oakland or IUPUI or somebody else moving out of this conference. And just where do we go find another midwest based D1 school to replace these schools that are leaving much less expand to 12? Can't wait til the Summit adds NJIT or Houston Baptist. Wait, didn't we just leave that party?
The decision to go to the Summit over the Big Sky was shortsighted, but hey, at least we get to play State again, am I right?
We had our chance to be out of this suckhole and we didn't take it. UGGH!
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Post by yoteforever on Sept 30, 2011 9:23:36 GMT -6
Echo......Echo. I agree with 53. I was just waiting for his post because he says it better than me
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Sept 30, 2011 12:36:16 GMT -6
And what does the big sky offer besides football? How soon until the Montana schools talk about leaving? Even without oral Roberts the summit is a better league than the big sky
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 30, 2011 13:12:09 GMT -6
Oral Roberts is a strong member and a reason TO get into the Summit. If the Yotes are looking for stability the Big Sky would have been a more stable option. The Big Sky offers a much wider geographical area for legitimate expanision especially if the WAC implodes because of the changing landscape at the top of college athletics. I believe being with the Montana's, Weber State, Idaha State etc would be more attractive than being in an Oral Robertless Summit.
I wouldn't at all be surprised if the Summit began to crumble and South Dakota, SDSU and NDSU came begging to the Big Sky for entrance. The only reason people say the Summit is better than the Big Sky is because of SDSU and NDSU being members.
Is this thing going to end up boiling down to the Dakota's wish that the Big Sky expand to 14 or 16 schools. The Summit is a few conference calls and outside opportunities away from it being a conference consisting of UNO, South Dakota, NDSU, SDSU and UMKC. The Summit is a nice conference in theory to those wanting to revive a couple of rivalries but at the same time is very limited to the number of schools that make sense for entrance into the conference from a college's standpoint and the conference's standpoint.
The Summit has always been an unstable conference. The Big Sky has generally had good stability.
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Post by GoYotes on Sept 30, 2011 13:27:11 GMT -6
Still a lot of pieces to be played in this chess game.
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 30, 2011 13:47:35 GMT -6
coyotefan, coming strong.
Expressed my fear with the Summit. The wildcard is the MVFC. Summit issues now have an even bigger impact on the MVFC and the Valley schools in that conference. If the Summit starts to destabilize and the Dakotas look west to the BSC I believe the MVFC will preempt that move by inviting UND into the conference and into the Summit. Now, if I'm UND am I accepting that offer? Probably not. I'm staying in the stable conference.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 30, 2011 14:27:35 GMT -6
I wonder if there is an alarm being sounded in the AD's offices in Mankato, St. Cloud and any other legit MIAA program that might be wanting to move up to D1. There may never be a better time than NOW for those schools to accept an invitation to the Summit League. Would Northwest Missouri State be willing to move up? How about Central Missouri? They have been rumored to be wanting to move up in the past. I wonder if there is any other program that may have aspirations.
Schools that may fit a future Summit
Minnesota State St. Cloud State Minnesota-Duluth Winona State (might be a stretch but they are good athletically) Northwest Missouri State Central Missouri State Washburn Pittsburg State
If worse came to worst and we really wanted to be more geographically centered I could see a future Summit League in 10 years as such...
UND NDSU South Dakota SDSU UMKC UNO NW Missouri St Central Missouri Minnesota State St. Cloud State
Whatever happens I just don't see the Summit League as it is now what it will be 20 years from now. If the Summit exists it will likely be centered around the Dakota's, Minnesota, Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri, Kansas, etc. Indiana and Dakota teams in the same conference just doesn't seem natural to me.
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Post by GoYotes on Sept 30, 2011 14:31:41 GMT -6
SDSU & NDSU made the logical move to the MVFC a few years ago, but is interesting to speculate what would have happened had they stayed in the Great West.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 30, 2011 15:05:10 GMT -6
SDSU & NDSU made the logical move to the MVFC a few years ago, but is interesting to speculate what would have happened had they stayed in the Great West. The way I look at it as long as the Dakota schools continue to strive to impove themselves (such as a new basketball facility in SD's case) they should be grouped into like schools such as Wyoming, Montana, Montana State, Idaho and Idaho State. There is no reason we couldn't or shouldn't be considered peers to these schools. It seems like a more logical and suitable mix to be in with schools such as those compared to IPFW, IUPUI, Oakland, etc. I just hope South Dakota didn't burn too many bridges in the conference drama that played out that ended up with the Coyotes in the Summit/MVFC. I imagine UND would be very pleased in the long run if the other 3 Dakota's looked to join them out west. Speculation and imagination is always healthy and fun.
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 30, 2011 15:39:51 GMT -6
With the way the D1 BCS landscape is shifting I could foresee a conference with the Dakota 4, Montanas, Idahos, and a couple others in 20 years. Who knows what subdivisions are going to be like then.
We need to build a basketball facility (large enough for Valley consideration), put 16,000 seats in the Dome for football and fill them every game. Those are things USD can do as an athletic dept to make itself attractive as possible to any conference.
Heck no, I don't want to see a conference with the Mankatos and directional Mizery's of the area. We want to be in conference with the state schools from the lesser populated states, Dakotas, Montanas, Idahos, Wyomings, etc. Those are our peers.
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