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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 16, 2011 1:02:44 GMT -6
Oh, I don't like this at all either, but this team is already better than last year by beating ranked teams at home already, something they didn't do last year (UNI comes to mind for sure...). So I will give the team that.
The road games need to be fixed, no doubt, we are in agreement there. You basically said Fire Ed without saying Fire Ed. Even though you didn't quote it, you flat out said it.
Next week against UC Davis is a huge game. This team needs to figure out what kind of team it is offensively. It doesn't have that identity yet and I am putting that on the coaching. This is the game to break out the big guns.
This should be a 50/50 team. 50 percent run (40 percent with Sims and 10 percent Ganious so you don't wear Sims out as long as he gets 20-25 carries) and 50 percent pass with at least 10 targets to Will Powell unless he is double covered consistently.
It's time to spot playing around and Bill Musgraving it. It's time to figure out what to do offensively. Dictate what their defense does by establishing a solid offense. USD has not done that yet and has leaned on its defense.
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Post by bisoninnwmn on Oct 16, 2011 6:13:33 GMT -6
USD is going to have a learning curve next year when you start a full Valley schedule. Next year might be a "shock" to some Coyote fans. USD is a good addition to the Valley and will be a competitive program. The Valley is tough every week.
Illinois State has a good defense, I saw this 2 weeks ago in Fargo.
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Post by tjbison on Oct 16, 2011 7:10:38 GMT -6
And there it was. Coyotes can beat the defending champ and No. 1 ranked team and 22nd ranked team last week and once the first loss comes, it's back to fire to fire Ed. It's one game. Let's see what happens next. Pretty sure the Yotes are still 4-3, so the sky isn't falling Chicken Little. It could be a lot worse. I agree that I am still surprised that Ganious is still getting as many carries as he does and I wish Sims would get the full load. Powell needs to be used more, but honestly, from what I have seen and heard, Vander Maaten is not better then Warren. Usually, the redshirt freshman that came from a small Iowa town usually isn't better than the two-year starting senior quarterback. Sorry, this isn't Western Christian in its beginning years that Vander Maaten is facing, this is a lot tougher competition. He has a lot of potential, but usually redshirt freshmen aren't your ideal starters. Kind of the history of the game. Probably shouldnt take too much stock in the EWU game they suck this year wont even make the playoffs, just think next year you get 8 games against competiton like this. Season will be alot different once you play in a real conference week in and week out. takes Depth and coaching to be at the top. Missouri St is 0-7 after we beat them 51-21 last night but they were in the game for the first half. Valley is WAY more physical than the BSC and NDSU proved that last year in the playoffs
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Post by chuck on Oct 16, 2011 7:24:45 GMT -6
Please Please Please--enough with the instant antagonistic responses to certain members of this board. We all want to see the Yotes win, but two legitimate issues are raised here. You inferred that "fire ed" was said....if you re-read the posts could you also infer "this is a concern, improvement and accountability needed"? I am impressed how the Yotes have emphasized and improved their ability to finish this year. Hopefully winning on the road can be a similar focus as we look towards the MVFC.
Winning on the road: It is reasonable to expect that a team ranked #14 would be more competitive against a middle of the road MVFC team. Even this year's MVFC doormat (by far), Missouri State, put up a better fight last week against ISU than we did. It seems to me that this is a trend (e.g. 2010 Lamar, UCD, SUU). If we can't do better than this with this year's senior-laden team on the road...what can we expect next year? If this continues, we will be very disappointed in our record this year and next year. Here's hoping we go on the road and pound Poly and UND.
QB: I don't think it is that arguable that Dante has some room for improvement in his accuracy. Opposing coaches ALWAYS praise him as a good QB, which he is...but the NEVER praise his accuracy (that I can remember). He is currently at 55%--not really that desirable. I trust that he is out there because he is the best QB, though, and hope he goes on a major tear in the upcoming weeks.
In sum, I really enjoy this board. However, I will be very disappointed if it turns back into being a "bully board" as it did last spring. I would encourage us all to step back and assume the best about all of us here around the Yote Watercooler so that this can be a board of constructive discourse.
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Post by sdsportsfan2010 on Oct 16, 2011 7:47:45 GMT -6
Please Please Please--enough with the instant antagonistic responses to certain members of this board. We all want to see the Yotes win, but two legitimate issues are raised here. You inferred that "fire ed" was said....if you re-read the posts could you also infer "this is a concern, improvement and accountability needed"? I am impressed how the Yotes have emphasized and improved their ability to finish this year. Hopefully winning on the road can be a similar focus as we look towards the MVFC. Winning on the road: It is reasonable to expect that a team ranked #14 would be more competitive against a middle of the road MVFC team. Even this year's MVFC doormat (by far), Missouri State, put up a better fight last week against ISU than we did. It seems to me that this is a trend (e.g. 2010 Lamar, UCD, SUU). If we can't do better than this with this year's senior-laden team on the road...what can we expect next year? If this continues, we will be very disappointed in our record this year and next year. Here's hoping we go on the road and pound Poly and UND. QB: I don't think it is that arguable that Dante has some room for improvement in his accuracy. Opposing coaches ALWAYS praise him as a good QB, which he is...but the NEVER praise his accuracy (that I can remember). He is currently at 55%--not really that desirable. I trust that he is out there because he is the best QB, though, and hope he goes on a major tear in the upcoming weeks. In sum, I really enjoy this board. However, I will be very disappointed if it turns back into being a "bully board" as it did last spring. I would encourage us all to step back and assume the best about all of us here around the Yote Watercooler so that this can be a board of constructive discourse. If you read tjbisons post, you pretty much said what he said. No game is going to be easy in the MVFC. "the bottom feeder" can compete with the top guys. Ill St is a pretty good middle MVFC team and could still make the playoffs. Didnt 4 or 5 teams tie last year with 4-4 records. That says it all about this conference. There isnt going to be an easy week and winning on the road will be even tougher.
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Post by jman1985 on Oct 16, 2011 9:15:42 GMT -6
Saw an interesting twitter post from jeremy at the P&D (i follow his twitter updates now), and he had a stat last night that really got me thinking.
something like 2-13 for USD in road games against FCS schools since we moved to Division I. Seriously? Two and 13? This is just a joke right now, its a trend. Different seasons, different players, same outcome. To me, at least, that speaks to what others have mentioned: USD is rarely ready to play good football on the road. How do we expect to win the Missouri Valley if we can't win on the road?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2011 9:42:34 GMT -6
And there it was. Coyotes can beat the defending champ and No. 1 ranked team and 22nd ranked team last week and once the first loss comes, it's back to fire to fire Ed. It's one game. Let's see what happens next. Pretty sure the Yotes are still 4-3, so the sky isn't falling Chicken Little. It could be a lot worse. I agree that I am still surprised that Ganious is still getting as many carries as he does and I wish Sims would get the full load. Powell needs to be used more, but honestly, from what I have seen and heard, Vander Maaten is not better then Warren. Usually, the redshirt freshman that came from a small Iowa town usually isn't better than the two-year starting senior quarterback. Sorry, this isn't Western Christian in its beginning years that Vander Maaten is facing, this is a lot tougher competition. He has a lot of potential, but usually redshirt freshmen aren't your ideal starters. Kind of the history of the game. Probably shouldnt take too much stock in the EWU game they suck this year wont even make the playoffs, just think next year you get 8 games against competiton like this. Season will be alot different once you play in a real conference week in and week out. takes Depth and coaching to be at the top. Missouri St is 0-7 after we beat them 51-21 last night but they were in the game for the first half. Valley is WAY more physical than the BSC and NDSU proved that last year in the playoffs Good post TJBison. There will definitely be a learning curve but USD will eventually figure it out. Any road game is tough and that was obviously proved again last night. I was certainly disappointed in your QB as I expected much more from him, but you'll get another shot next week with UCD. He's a senior correct? Time to move on and look towards the next game. Good luck.
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Post by yoteforever on Oct 16, 2011 16:09:07 GMT -6
Just got home from Normal after watching the game. In a single word, the Coyotes were "lethargic". Let me give you some insight and correct a couple of things.
1.) Dante was never benched. He played the entire game, so where that came from I don't know. I did walk out of the stadium with 1:30 to go, so if Josh went in then, I stand corrected.
2.) Other than a few of the posters on here that go way to high when we are rolling, and go way to low when we step on our toes, it is about what I have said from the start. Playing in the Missouri valley is going to be tough. I have thought that from the start, and still think it today. I have NO grand illusions of us entering the league and winning it right away. Our history even indicates we won very few North Central titles. But we will compete, and we will contend on given years.
3.) I wasn't surprised we struggled like we did. It is about an 8 hour bus ride, and flying would be nicer, but that won't happen. Secondly, the wind was blowing very hard, and given that ISU's defensive strength is agaiinst the run, the air game got complicated because of the wind. Also, I did watch part of the game from the ground level, and Dante is really short and I personally think he had a hard time looking over the rushing D-linemen. Once Dante got nervous (in the first quarter), he was "jittery" in the pocket all day. We had problems blocking their scheme.
4.) The road thing is sorta like that 800 pound gorilla that no one likes to talk about. It's there, and sooner than later it does become part of your pschchy. We have to win a couple in a row in a somewhat convincing matter to make the gorilla leave the room.
This team is different than last years squad. They were bothered by their lack of ability to move the ball. Other times I have been on the sideline, that wasn't always the case. It isn't because they aren't trying or playing hard. I will say this....yesterday really was just one of those games that happens. It reminded me of Northern Colorado 2 years ago. We laid an egg, and that's all you can say.
I think we will finish either 8-3 or 7-4. Cal-Poly for some reason makes me very nervous. This team needs us for a strong turnout against Cal-Davis, and win up at Grand Forks, and we will all forget about yestersday.
ISU-Red is a damned good team. A couple of the Bison posters on here has already referenced that, as well as a few State fans. This is going to be a very rugged league. If we learn to compete and win on the road, we will be just fine. The flip side is when we play at home, that will be just as formidable to our opponents.
In closing, I would rather play good teams then play poor teams just for the W. Coyote fans, just a heads up. There will not probably be an easy game in the MVC. On the other hand, there will be alot of great wins against great teams, and there will be some losses as well. Those are the facts. If we play .500 in the MVC our first 2 years, I am going to be happy. In fact, ecstatic. That doesn't mean we can't win, it just means the brand of football is not like any we have seen week in and week out.
I do have a great deal of respect even for this years SDSU team if they played ISU-red to a 7 point game on the road. That tells me alot. NDSU beat this team 20-10 in fargo. I will also say this. If we played them in 2-3 weeks again in the Dome, I believe we would win by about 10. So don't give up hope or sell out our staff. We will compete. bad days happen.
More than ever I am looking forward to playing SDSU, NDSU, and UNI again. Great football.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 16, 2011 18:35:21 GMT -6
If the Coyotes were Lethargic than in a sense they were already defeated before they took the field or shortly there after. Is this Coyote team really any different? The Yotes were a ranked team and lost to an unranked team by 25 points and that is unacceptable. I wonder if the coaching staff checked the weather forecast before the game to know what to expect. If it was a windy day they needed to keep that in mind with game planning or play calling. Illinois State did fine in a similar environment. They played under the same conditions. A 8 hour busride is absolutely no excuse either. I would think with USD's ability to stop the run as they had done in previous games would bode well in a bad weather environment.
Should we be ecstatic to finish .500 in the Missouri Valley? I dont think so. If ecstatic is 4-4, than satisfied is 3-5 and acceptable is 2-6. To me .500 is perhaps acceptable but I certainly wouldn't be jumping up and down in celebration. No program should ever be ecstatic unless they win a conference or at least make the playoffs.
We are what we are. Our administration agreed to join the MVFC. If they agreed to do that they agreed to uphold a certain level of expectation. I don't think they joined the conference to be a bottom level conference team.
The bottom line is that the performance on Saturday was absolutely unacceptable. If anyone wants to legitimize the performance and make it "ok" than we will continue to get what we have gotten. What is the phrase. "If you do what you have always done, you will get the same results as you have always got". I never said Fire Ed in this thread but I will say that continuing to go with Ed is "doing what we have always done".
My big problem with the fan base is I don't see alot of unrest about this loss. I see alot of acceptability and excuses instead. If we as a fan base do not show unrest we will continue to be fed the same meal.
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Post by tjbison on Oct 16, 2011 19:07:52 GMT -6
If the Coyotes were Lethargic than in a sense they were already defeated before they took the field or shortly there after. Is this Coyote team really any different? The Yotes were a ranked team and lost to an unranked team by 25 points and that is unacceptable. I wonder if the coaching staff checked the weather forecast before the game to know what to expect. If it was a windy day they needed to keep that in mind with game planning or play calling. Illinois State did fine in a similar environment. They played under the same conditions. A 8 hour busride is absolutely no excuse either. I would think with USD's ability to stop the run as they had done in previous games would bode well in a bad weather environment. Should we be ecstatic to finish .500 in the Missouri Valley? I dont think so. If ecstatic is 4-4, than satisfied is 3-5 and acceptable is 2-6. To me .500 is perhaps acceptable but I certainly wouldn't be jumping up and down in celebration. No program should ever be ecstatic unless they win a conference or at least make the playoffs. We are what we are. Our administration agreed to join the MVFC. If they agreed to do that they agreed to uphold a certain level of expectation. I don't think they joined the conference to be a bottom level conference team. The bottom line is that the performance on Saturday was absolutely unacceptable. If anyone wants to legitimize the performance and make it "ok" than we will continue to get what we have gotten. What is the phrase. "If you do what you have always done, you will get the same results as you have always got". I never said Fire Ed in this thread but I will say that continuing to go with Ed is "doing what we have always done". My big problem with the fan base is I don't see alot of unrest about this loss. I see alot of acceptability and excuses instead. If we as a fan base do not show unrest we will continue to be fed the same meal. The "rankings" will begin to sort themselves out now that more Top 25 teams will be playing each other in the conferences. Early voting polls are meaningless but we have finally hit the part of the season where the good separate themselves. Remember EWU when you guys played them was ranked based only on being the Defending NC's, they have since fallen, the next 3 weeks are going to really change things. Just because you were ranked doesnt mean ISU-R hasn't improved and by the end of the season could very well be in the top 20. Its ok to face it you got beat by a good team, their record just doesnt indicate that much like most Valley teams
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Post by yoteforever on Oct 16, 2011 20:23:59 GMT -6
If the Coyotes were Lethargic than in a sense they were already defeated before they took the field or shortly there after. Is this Coyote team really any different? The Yotes were a ranked team and lost to an unranked team by 25 points and that is unacceptable. I wonder if the coaching staff checked the weather forecast before the game to know what to expect. If it was a windy day they needed to keep that in mind with game planning or play calling. Illinois State did fine in a similar environment. They played under the same conditions. A 8 hour busride is absolutely no excuse either. I would think with USD's ability to stop the run as they had done in previous games would bode well in a bad weather environment. Should we be ecstatic to finish .500 in the Missouri Valley? I dont think so. If ecstatic is 4-4, than satisfied is 3-5 and acceptable is 2-6. To me .500 is perhaps acceptable but I certainly wouldn't be jumping up and down in celebration. No program should ever be ecstatic unless they win a conference or at least make the playoffs. We are what we are. Our administration agreed to join the MVFC. If they agreed to do that they agreed to uphold a certain level of expectation. I don't think they joined the conference to be a bottom level conference team. The bottom line is that the performance on Saturday was absolutely unacceptable. If anyone wants to legitimize the performance and make it "ok" than we will continue to get what we have gotten. What is the phrase. "If you do what you have always done, you will get the same results as you have always got". I never said Fire Ed in this thread but I will say that continuing to go with Ed is "doing what we have always done". My big problem with the fan base is I don't see alot of unrest about this loss. I see alot of acceptability and excuses instead. If we as a fan base do not show unrest we will continue to be fed the same meal. I am no longer going to debate you in some of the points I have made. I will simply say this...."you have not ever been in this situation, so you don'y know". You debate a 8 hour bus ride shouldn't affect them? Are you shitting me? Put your ass on the bus for 8 hours and ask you to perform at peak levels. Not going to happen. You also claim you aren't asking for Ed to be fired. Then what is your point? That's exactly what you are saying. Lastly, until you play these teams on a regular basis, you have no way of knowing what you are getting into. You make me sound like I don't know or understand what these guys are going through. My friend, you have NO CLUE what they are going through. You make it sound as if USD should win the league right out of the shoot each and every year. Again, are you shitting me? Get real. According to your previous posts, I believe you didn't renew your season tickets because you got moved. Cry me a fricking river. I am not critical for what you give, or don't give, but again you have no clue. People that give money to support the program are natually going to be given preferential seating. Try telling a guy or gal that funds a schlorship that YOU get better seats than HIM or HER. Yeah right. CF, get a clue how college athletics work. For so long you were critical of USD football, and went on the Bunny Board and posted your dissatisfaction with USD in hopes of being a friend of the Jacks. Then when we win, you get back on board the so called Coyote Express. Make up your mind, will ya?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 16, 2011 20:46:05 GMT -6
Make up my mind with what. I was satisfied when the Yotes won at home but that is the norm for the program. They win at home at a good clip. I was dissatisfied with the performance on Saturday not only because of Saturday but because of a long history or having very similar performances like this over and over again. I am not peeved because of one game and one game only. I am dissatified because of a trend and because of continued excuses being made every time one of these games bites the Coyotes. Yoteforever I know you are an Ed guy and loyal to a fault but being too loyal can really be a bad thing if sensability isn't used.
One thing the bugs the heck out of me is this programs inability to build upon success. They get too satisfied and don't build on the good games. Then things go sour and it's hard to get things turned around again.
Tell me one thing. Is 2-14 on the road against FCS teams at all acceptable? Is an 8 hour bus ride excuse the performance on Saturday. If the USD community answers yes to either question we are simply in trouble as far as the liklihood of future success.
Don't say I am a fly off the handle fan. Sure I am up and down but how could you not be. I look at the entire picture that is why my whole perspective was to wait until the season was over to get overly excited or overly down. One thing that happened Saturday was that once again we have the same old road troubles as we have always had including the D2 days. There gets to be a point in time where it's not how good an opponent is but instead what is not being done to get the job done.
BTW, what does my decision on season tickets have anything to do with this thread. This thread isn't about me, it's about the game against Illinois State and we should keep it that way. If you want to talk about my ticket buying practices or anything else person feel free to PM me.
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Post by jman1985 on Oct 16, 2011 23:14:16 GMT -6
If in fact the road woes are the 800 pound gorilla in the room, the program or somebody needs to face that issue head on. Why is it that USD also seems to be unprepared for road games? I've often heard the "it's partially based on playing good teams" line, BS to that, go and beat somebody for once outside the Dome. I wish there was somebody out there, coach, administrator, media, whoever, that would actually call them out for this.
Look at last year: Lost at North Dakota State, didnt we have a big lead at half? Lost at UC Davis, had a lead in the fourth quarter, couldnt score on a late drive. Lost at Southern Utah, got completely steamrolled on the ground. Lost at Lamar, completely unacceptable loss to an inferior team.
And now Saturday, Lost at Illinois State. Redbirds have an amazing defense, nobody is debating that, hats off to them for shutting us down, but how do we ONCE AGAIN let this happen?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 16, 2011 23:28:52 GMT -6
If in fact the road woes are the 800 pound gorilla in the room, the program or somebody needs to face that issue head on. Why is it that USD also seems to be unprepared for road games? I've often heard the "it's partially based on playing good teams" line, BS to that, go and beat somebody for once outside the Dome. I wish there was somebody out there, coach, administrator, media, whoever, that would actually call them out for this. Look at last year: Lost at North Dakota State, didnt we have a big lead at half? Lost at UC Davis, had a lead in the fourth quarter, couldnt score on a late drive. Lost at Southern Utah, got completely steamrolled on the ground. Lost at Lamar, completely unacceptable loss to an inferior team. And now Saturday, Lost at Illinois State. Redbirds have an amazing defense, nobody is debating that, hats off to them for shutting us down, but how do we ONCE AGAIN let this happen? Breathe of fresh air As unfortunate is the reality that this needs to be said but thank you for saying that. I feel like I am on an island out here and no one else thinks it is a big deal to lose like this. I feel like I am the only one that will say the brutal truth. This loss isn't about playing a good opponent. This loss isn't about the weather conditions. This loss isn't about an 8 hour bus ride. Those things are nice but programs go through this stuff all the time and get past it. It's simply not an excuse. This loss is about a Coyote Football program that cannot play outside the Dakotadome and has not truley addressed this serious issue that has gone on for the entire Meierkort era. In the early days the reason the Yotes won was because they seriously outmatched a D2 opponent. 2007 was the biggest wakeup call that all but ensured me that this regime just didn't get it and could not handle a tough schedule from day 1 throughout. The Yotes are struggling on the road and not even having to show up for 3 games a year due to NAIA games. When the Yotes play a MVFC schedule it's gonna be brutal. Next year is going to be a very difficult season with major losses to graduation plus having a schedule where the team is forced to show up every week.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 17, 2011 0:05:30 GMT -6
So USD lost to Air Force and Wisconsin and yes, this was not a good game at all and continues Ed's trend of pretty bad road games.
Last time I checked, USD did beat Eastern Washington and Southern Utah, both ranked teams, one the defending champion that almost beat Washington the week before, and a ranked SUU team.
I get your anger Coyote Fan, but you are also just jumping off the deep end. Yoteforever is right. After USD defeated EWU, you deleted your message board. Then shortly after you were here. You are a bandwagon fan and you are looking for reasons to not just complain, but make it seem you are the founder of football.
This was a pretty bad loss and USD needs to do something different on the road. However, USD does have some pretty good wins this year, so they need to learn how to do that on the road.
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