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Post by nolesfan on Nov 14, 2011 16:58:49 GMT -6
Congrats to the coaches and players on ten straight weeks in the top 25. Might not always be pretty but it is what it is and they have earned it. Good luck in ND this weekend!
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Post by jackl on Nov 14, 2011 18:05:08 GMT -6
Congrats to the coaches and players on ten straight weeks in the top 25. Might not always be pretty but it is what it is and they have earned it. Good luck in ND this weekend! Earned it? You have 3 FCS wins LMAO |
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Post by HadleyCoyote on Nov 14, 2011 18:15:43 GMT -6
Congrats to the coaches and players on ten straight weeks in the top 25. Might not always be pretty but it is what it is and they have earned it. Good luck in ND this weekend! Earned it? You have 3 FCS wins LMAO Go back to your bunny board Jack@ss |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 14, 2011 21:42:25 GMT -6
Earned it? You have 3 FCS wins LMAO Go back to your bunny board Jack@ss jackl is correct actually. IMHO USD is not a top 25 team. They only have played 5 FCS games so far. That seems kind of ridiculous this far into the season. |
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 15, 2011 0:20:56 GMT -6
No surprise, coyotefan thinks USD doesn't deserve it. Yeah, I guess having two of the teams that USD beat being ranked, one of which was No. 1 at the time, doesn't justify being ranked. Shocker that Coyotefan would think that.
It's 24th in the nation and he is getting worked up over it. Please.
The Yotes deserve it as much as Auburn deserves to be ranked about the same spot in the FBS poll.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 15, 2011 1:01:52 GMT -6
The reason I do not think USD is a top 25 team is because I think the best teams in the nation know how to play good football on the road or in a neutral environment. SDSU has won 3 MVFC road games and I don't believe they are ranked at all. Right now if SDSU and USD played in Sioux Falls next week SDSU would win that game.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 15, 2011 4:03:59 GMT -6
Sooooooooo SDSU, which has a LOSING record, gets in the polls because you have a grudge against USD football because they didn't let you walk-on?
Seriously, they won on the road, great. That is great....they aren't even .500 yet to be honest. If you aren't .500 you aren't ranked.
You are putting a lot of stock in being ranked 24th...It's 24th...not even top 20 or 15th...you are just nickpicking.
UND barely beat USF and they are ranked higher.
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Post by HadleyCoyote on Nov 15, 2011 4:51:58 GMT -6
I am concerned about our road performance, hard to believe we might really be the 22nd best team (TSN poll) in the country with our dismal road record. Those polls are subjective. If we hadn't beat EWU while they were #1, i doubt we would have ever made it on the radar.
HOWEVER, the Sagarin rankings put us at....24th FCS team...a less subjective validation of our position.
Interesting to note, though, EWU, SUU and Cal Poly are higher than we are in the Sagarin ratings.
My beef with Mr Jackl is that he came over here with his unsolicited smack, which ticked me off.
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Post by drdank on Nov 15, 2011 9:08:22 GMT -6
From the beginning the polls have been slanted toward nationally recognized names and coaches based mostly on what they have done in the past. I remember the big deal when a nobody played well against a Big Ten team. No one says the Big Ten is overrated, especially when they lose to a nobody.
Can somebody quantify how you get ranked?
Win-Loss
Quality of Win
Quality of Schedule
Quality of Roster
What?
As far as I know, USD has a winning record, ran it up on the teams we should have, played great FBS and FCS teams, have a balanced offense, a punishing defense, and have an awsome kicking game. The negatives are a bunch of injuries and inexperienced coaches, but this team is on everybodies radar.
I guess we'll fall out of the rankings after we beat a ranked rival in there house and take a share of the conference championship. Oh, is there a problem with the conference, too?
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 15, 2011 10:19:16 GMT -6
Go back to your bunny board Jack@ss jackl is correct actually. IMHO USD is not a top 25 team. They only have played 5 FCS games so far. That seems kind of ridiculous this far into the season. 5 FCS games so far. 2 FBS games so far. 1 FCS game remaining. 8 of the 11 were FCS or FBS. It is called "transitional" scheduling. From here on out, we are full FCS or FBS. Every school including SDSU went through transitional with games against lower opponents. That's the way it is, but all you can do is spout off in a negative way. Now regarding SDSU game in Sioux Falls? Obviously we won't be playing them, but I would take all the action I could on that game this year. For no other reason than comparitive scores. But you know the real reason we will never know? Because the Bunnies AD bowed to "booster pressure" and avoided playing the Coyotes . Had they agreed Coyotefan, then we would be talking about 9 FCS or FBS games. The cream of the crop in the MVC is better than we are, no doubt in my mind. But there may be only 3 teams I would classify that way. NDSU, UNI, and ISU (red). After that, we can play with anybody in the league. Next year might be rougher, given all the seniors we lose, but then again, there is a piss pot full of players redshirted, so who knows. |
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Post by pierreyote on Nov 15, 2011 10:36:53 GMT -6
Lindenwood isn't FCS but they play better football than half the teams in the Southland, NEC, MEAC, Big South and some other conferences.
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Post by HadleyCoyote on Nov 15, 2011 10:52:24 GMT -6
As a thought experiment, what if our schedule had swapped the EWU and the Missouri S&T games. Does anyone think we would still be in the top 25, let alone 10 weeks in the top 25?
Same Coyotes, same coaches, same opponents, same Wins/losses. At what point would we enter the top 25?
1. Lose to Airforce – does not get us in top 25
2. Beat Missouri S&T – can’t see making the top 25 with this win
3. Beat NW Oklahoma St - ditto
4. Lose to Wisconsin – still does nothing for our ranking
5. Beat Lindenwood - yawn
6. Beat #22 SUU – finally gets us on the radar – I’ll be generous and say we take their place at #22
7. Lose to Illinois State – iirc ISUr was not top 25 at the time - knocks us back out
8. Beat UC Davis – ho hum
9. Lose to Cal Poly – if we were still top 25 – we’re out now
10. Beat EWU – nice home win against a non-top 25er.
We might have made the top 25 after beating #22 SUU. But IMHO, I don’t think we’d be in the top 25 – and we certainly would not have been ranked top 25 for 10 weeks if the schedule were set up like above.
Not saying it’s right or wrong, but it points out the subjectivity of the polls. Fun to look at, but once you get down below 15 or so and start talking about 6-4 teams, they’re meaningless, really.
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Post by jman1985 on Nov 15, 2011 11:14:11 GMT -6
Let's remember that USD was only receiving 7 votes in the preseason FCS media poll. Only seven other programs had fewer votes heading into the season.
And even after playing Air Force, USD had 7 votes in that next week's media poll.
It was only after beating No. 1 Eastern Washington did jump into the national polls (23rd in the coaches poll). That's what it took. People across the country took notice of that win. Say what you want about EWU now, but at that point, they were No. 1, and they STILL ARE the defending national champions.
Sure, wins over NW Oklahoma State and Lindenwood are not impressive, but the fact of the matter is, USD won. And that moves teams up in the polls, especially in the FCS ranks where 4-loss teams can still be ranked. Just not that many teams out there to chose from, honestly.
Whine all you want about USD not being ranked (and I questioned them staying in the top 25 after losing at Cal Poly), but they are. A loss to North Dakota would drop the Coyotes out, and a win would move them into the top 20 in the FCS media poll. Plain and simple.
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Post by pierreyote on Nov 15, 2011 11:14:13 GMT -6
I agree that POLLS are subjective. Lets look at it a different way. Sagarin, Massey and GPI (a large collection of computer rankings) are all computer rankings that do not use subjectivity. These rankings only use data. Take a guess where they rank USD? All in or right at number 23-28. Guys, there are truly only 4 conferences in FCS that offer true top to bottom competition. A 8-3 NEC, MEAC, OVC, Big South, Pioneer, and probably Patriot League team shouldn't and 99% isn't rated above any 6-4 or more than likely 5-5 team from a Big 4 conference (GWC conference is highly rated as well for SOS by the way). Those schools lap up easier wins against teams that are far worse than the Lindendwoods and Mizzu S and T. Go ahead and look at some of those schools resumes. Yes, They may have a few more wins over FCS schools but those schools they defeat are FCS in name only. They all have limited scholarships, no scholarships, or just piss poor football. It was no different in our D-2 days. We would battle it out in the NCC and then some team from some crappy conference can go 10-1 and make the playoffs only to get throttled by some power conference team. Most of the computer rankings understand that not all wins are created equal. In FBS, does a Houston win against New Mexico count the same as a LSU win against Bama? No. Just like our Lindenwood game, a non fcs school, counts more than a win against an FCS Valpo or South East Lousina. The computers understand that Lindenwood, based on data, is better than those FCS schools.
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Post by nolesfan on Nov 15, 2011 11:24:32 GMT -6
Didnt meant to start a war, 6-4 is 6-4. got a chance to win a share and beat und for the last time the yotes play them for awhile. Yeah we lose alot of seniors, however those seniors were recruited knowing they would never play for the playoffs so makes you wonder if they are still majority D2 or low fcs caliber guys. I think the yotes will turn over better then expected despite the large amount of seniors. anyways again congrats to the seniors for going 6-0 at home and being ranked in the top 25 they are not the ones who schedule the games.
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