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Post by 88grad on Nov 30, 2011 18:18:21 GMT -6
Ah.... the sdsu approach. Didn't they get their current AD from UNI?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 30, 2011 22:58:44 GMT -6
I guess if there is one thing that worries me about this new head coaching search, it's the possibility that it's someone that Sayler had lined up for the job all along making him not openly consider all candidates. I just want the best guy for the job period, not someone that Sayler had pre ordained as the one to take over. If it's someone with Rice ties is when I would have suspision that might be the case. I want this new coach that is going to be someone that will have us beating SDSU and NDSU more than they are beating us. I want to see conference title hopes within about 2 years. We have a long ways to go to make that happen. Within 2 years a new regime will have enough time to absolutely show the fan base that they are making substancial progress. I am not saying 2 years is enough to be all the way there but it's enough to get a good idea if the coach was the right hire.
Meierkort had a good resume with Wisconsin-Stout but not a great resume considering he came from a D3 program. I want someone with a great resume of winning as a head coach to take over this program.
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Post by coyotega on Nov 30, 2011 23:17:55 GMT -6
To be honest, it's not a top job as FCS schools go, and pays about the least of any school, so we can forget about anyone having a "great resume" unless one wants to write a seven figure donation to the athletic dept for that purpose. Good resume with all the right signs of potential high achievement is our best hope. Hopefully, this will be the stop that helps a coach compose a great resume, like Joe Salem. But, it will all depend on recruiting both players and asst coaches.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 1, 2011 1:32:37 GMT -6
To be honest, it's not a top job as FCS schools go, and pays about the least of any school, so we can forget about anyone having a "great resume" unless one wants to write a seven figure donation to the athletic dept for that purpose. Good resume with all the right signs of potential high achievement is our best hope. Hopefully, this will be the stop that helps a coach compose a great resume, like Joe Salem. But, it will all depend on recruiting both players and asst coaches. I would say that Kalen DeBoer has a "great" resume. His teams were next to unbeatable and won multiple national titles. I see that as greatness. His teams were so good that the team he left went on to beat UND. If that doesn't answer enough questions I don't know what does. He has D1 experience and has a great record as head coach. He has all the intanglibles I would like to see in a head coach. DeBoer's team (basically) did what USD hasn't done since 1985 and he did it with far lesser talent than what USD brought up there. This guy can simply coach. I would rather have him than a so-so FCS assistant that may not have had an outstanding record as a head coach prior. If USD hires an assistant with very little to no head coaching experience is when I will be nervous.
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 1, 2011 7:04:27 GMT -6
Just because we haven't paid anyone in the past doesn't mean that the U isn't willing to pony up for a really good coach this time around. I'm sensing a change in culture around the athletic department.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Dec 1, 2011 8:47:49 GMT -6
To be honest, it's not a top job as FCS schools go, and pays about the least of any school, so we can forget about anyone having a "great resume" unless one wants to write a seven figure donation to the athletic dept for that purpose. Good resume with all the right signs of potential high achievement is our best hope. Hopefully, this will be the stop that helps a coach compose a great resume, like Joe Salem. But, it will all depend on recruiting both players and asst coaches. I would say that Kalen DeBoer has a "great" resume. His teams were next to unbeatable and won multiple national titles. I see that as greatness. His teams were so good that the team he left went on to beat UND. If that doesn't answer enough questions I don't know what does. He has D1 experience and has a great record as head coach. He has all the intanglibles I would like to see in a head coach. DeBoer's team (basically) did what USD hasn't done since 1985 and he did it with far lesser talent than what USD brought up there. This guy can simply coach. I would rather have him than a so-so FCS assistant that may not have had an outstanding record as a head coach prior. If USD hires an assistant with very little to no head coaching experience is when I will be nervous. But he IS a so-so FCS assistant. Even that may be an overstatement.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2011 9:16:48 GMT -6
Ah.... the sdsu approach. Didn't they get their current AD from UNI? Yes we did and he was up against a guy from Utah State and the third one I dont recall. Terry Vandervec taped all three candidates whom he interviewed and posted on the Argus site. Listening to all three, Justin Sells was without the doubt the best person for the job. Pres Chicione had an easy choice to make. I suspect the UNI staff are looking to move up and some if not all see themselves as a head coach. USD might not have to match the salary and some head coaches will work for less money to start.
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Post by coyotega on Dec 1, 2011 10:04:41 GMT -6
Just because we haven't paid anyone in the past doesn't mean that the U isn't willing to pony up for a really good coach this time around. I'm sensing a change in culture around the athletic department. I agree that this is the direction we need to go, and I think Sayler knows that. We all will need to pay more but the result should be worth it.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Dec 1, 2011 10:19:20 GMT -6
To be honest, it's not a top job as FCS schools go, and pays about the least of any school, so we can forget about anyone having a "great resume" unless one wants to write a seven figure donation to the athletic dept for that purpose. Good resume with all the right signs of potential high achievement is our best hope. Hopefully, this will be the stop that helps a coach compose a great resume, like Joe Salem. But, it will all depend on recruiting both players and asst coaches. I would say that Kalen DeBoer has a "great" resume. His teams were next to unbeatable and won multiple national titles. I see that as greatness. His teams were so good that the team he left went on to beat UND. If that doesn't answer enough questions I don't know what does. He has D1 experience and has a great record as head coach. He has all the intanglibles I would like to see in a head coach. DeBoer's team (basically) did what USD hasn't done since 1985 and he did it with far lesser talent than what USD brought up there. This guy can simply coach. I would rather have him than a so-so FCS assistant that may not have had an outstanding record as a head coach prior. If USD hires an assistant with very little to no head coaching experience is when I will be nervous. If staying competitive with UND is the goal, why not hire USF's current coach. He was competitive with UND..... DeBoer has a great record...in NAIA. Like I have said before, there is a HUGE difference between D-II and D-I, let alone NAIA and Division I. Great, he beat North Dakota...but if that's all USD is looking to do, beat a team they might never play again who is going to struggle in the FCS from what they have shown, well, then that's a pretty low goal.
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Post by coyotega on Dec 1, 2011 10:20:14 GMT -6
DeBoer has no chance of getting that job imo. No recruiting experience or success in the states producing the talent, other than Juco transfers you get for two years. I think he has done a superb job at SFC and his win at ND fantastic. But, good coaching at FCS level starts with good players, and the speed of the game at Div I level is dramatically different. I support SFC (or USF) and attended the last two natl champ games of SF, but it is a much different game than D1.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Dec 1, 2011 10:26:49 GMT -6
Speaking of hiring an assistant with no head coaching experience ... isn't that what UNI did when they hired Farley? From what I have read, he was "just" an assistant with no head coaching experience. That seemed to work out pretty well ... since they are year-in and year-out the top team in the Missouri Valley.
So just don't discount it.
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Post by drdank on Dec 1, 2011 11:30:10 GMT -6
Let's not get too heated about 1 name being great or bad.
I think we should keep talking about a pool of possibilities. The possible groups I would throw in the mix would come from FBS, FCS, and the Valley.
They would be first Head Coaches, then Assistant Head Coaches, and finally Coordinators. A key requirement for all would be former Head Coaching at some level. I assume, probably wrong, that an up and comer would have been a HC at a lower level and became a coordinator as a stepping stone. I think those guys are going to be the most inventive and energetic.
There are going to be former D-I HC's who are coordinators now that are either part of the Ol' Boy's club or too expensive for USD. I would be worried they won't make an honest commitment to Vermillion either. 5 years minimum would set the next staff up for consistant runs at a championship.
Oh yeah, back to the contract thing. I'm hoping Sayler is as inventive and energetic as the type of coach we need.
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Post by formeryote on Dec 1, 2011 13:35:12 GMT -6
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Post by coyote70 on Dec 1, 2011 17:27:50 GMT -6
While Meierkort's salary (est. $95k) was comparatively low, I'm not too excited in offering much of any increase to start. I think given USD's relative disadvantages, the recruitment effort needs to find candidates who have a burning desire to succeed. Those kinds of candidates are - for lack of a better phrase - looking to prove what they can do.
Looking at a candidate's track record (e.g. level of responsibility, win/loss) and knowledge/abilities/skills can be assessed with a degree of certainty and a good fit can be found. Assessing potential or what I might call leadership ability is more difficult. Yet, in contrast to the UNI's and NDSU's of the world that is exactly what the U. needs to do to compete for a championship in the Missouri Valley.
This is not meant to slight UNI or NDSU; it's just that, ironically, because the U.'s football budget is smaller (and therefore less resources) the recruitment effort actually is more difficult.
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Post by 88grad on Dec 2, 2011 10:28:34 GMT -6
There was a blurp in the Argus today saying that a new HC could be named as early as next week.
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