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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 5, 2011 22:35:50 GMT -6
In general I would throw everybody out and start anew with solid coordinators and assistants from D-I. Besides Ed being Ed, his staff of these D-2 GAs is a major part of his downfall. He developed the first group, the guys over the last 4 years were way in over their heads. Spencer leaves unexpectedly. Trip was sandbagged with the OL position. The Co-OD thing didn't work after halftime. Wes was predictable. etc... IMHO, JG must bring in as much help ready to hit the ground winning and then layer in the old guys to maintain recruiting. Take the old guys back to the skill positions they played and develop them from there. Wes is not an OC right now, let alone an Assistant HC within the next 3 years. Ed put together a group of nice guys, including Wes, but we need to go to a higher level of teaching fundamentals and techniques. There are a lot of qualified guys out there we can get through the AFCA. I think Glenn's experience is great for what we need at HC. I was worried about this board wallowing in the great old D-2 days looking for a head coach and in-state players. If we don't give him the tools to be successful now, he won't be able to develop the home grown hero for the future. Please guys, we are now on a national stage in one the the top 2 or 3 conferences at the D-I level. The NCC was D-2 and no more. If we got all the top players in the state, we still wouldn't have enough bodies to compete for a championship at D-I -- maybe not even at D-2. If you didn't like Ed's performance, keeping this same staff will produce the same results. Transition was for moral victories and some great suprises. Being Competitive is coach speak for we're not bad but not good enough. Winning the Valley would be nice/awesome. I want multiple ChampionshipS. That starts with how we build this initial staff. Good Luck, Joe. I hope we help you. Drdank, Great post. We may not agree with everything but we do seem to be on the same wavelength when it comes to changing our thinking to a D1 mentality. I agree that we totally need to get the best people possible to be coordinators but just handing out jobs like pancakes is not going to lead to success. When it comes to Wes I don't know why some people think that he is in line to be the next head coach just because he is here now and played QB for the U. He may or may not be thought of well in the college coaching ranks. I don't see how he could be thought of well or not well outside of USD since he has only coached here. The bottom line with Wes is that since he was handed the OC position the offense has regressed plain and simple. He should not be the OC of this staff based on the results up to date. Make him earn it just like everyone else. If he wants to be OC make him earn it at a lower level school like D2 or NAIA before letting him learn on the job at USD. We need experience in a vital position such as OC not a place to let people learn on the job. I thought Wes was the best quarterback the Yotes have had for at least 2 decades but so far his offenses have not been very good so far. Maybe it was Ed's influence, who knows. I say keep Wes as the QB coach and basically start fresh with everyone else. We definately need a new experienced coordinator on defense as well. Let's not make a move such as getting rid of Ed and than only do the rest half assed and keep inexperience where we need experience.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 6, 2011 0:55:27 GMT -6
I had a chance to fully listen and watch the press conference. I don't see how after watching and listening how anyone isn't sold on Joe Glenn. He is going to instill the utmost pride in this football team. The players will put on that red uniform and it's going to mean the world. He says he is going to show his players love and that will lead to their production. He is definately going to use alot of positive motivation. Having a guy that has been through alot as a player and a young coach back in the 70's is going to go along way.
I liked that Joe had everyone stand up and clap in unison while he sung the school song. The guy has pride just spilling over right now. I often get goose bumps when I hear our school song and the players come out onto the court or field to it. I think we should incorporate the school song into more of the live broadcasts coming in and out of a particular event on the radio. We have a very nice and inspiring school song.
We are so lucky that the stars lined up to get Joe back into the fold at USD before he was too old and it was too late. Well, we got him in the nick of time. He is definately a young 62. He looks closer to 50 and acts like he is 30. There is going to be a definate spirit with this football team and a sense of discipline. He says the players will be well versed in what they need to do but won't be overloaded with info. He is going to adapt his schemes to the personell available, which is good. He is open minded and may run an offense or defense aimed around the strengths of the eventual cordinators.
We may not know for sure how good the Yotes will be but we can be fairly certain that Joe will go through walls for this University. he is definately a great choice for head coach in many aspects.
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Post by joeybrownerhof on Dec 7, 2011 18:50:41 GMT -6
I'm not suggesting anything but J. Dodson was just relieved of his duties as assistant d-coordinator at Old Dominion.
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Post by drdank on Dec 7, 2011 19:18:38 GMT -6
OOOOOHHHH!!!
That stings
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Dec 8, 2011 13:35:01 GMT -6
Wes to be named Assistant HC and OC. DC is yet to be hired, waiting on things to fall into place. Coaching staff is close to being finalized. Supposedly they are picking up one coach at the airport today.
Having listened to Coach Glenn again, this time in person, he is going to rock.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Dec 8, 2011 14:31:38 GMT -6
Prediction: If Mike Breske is not the new DC, I would predict that it is Jason Petrino. Currently the DC at the University of Central Oklahoma. Was a teammate of Joe's son at Carroll College, on staff as Director of Football Operations at the University of Wyoming with Joe. Has been a DC, and has previous coaching stints at Carroll, Mary, and Winona State. He was hired at UNO before the announcement of the end to their FB program and went on to Central Oklahoma instead.
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Post by coyotega on Dec 8, 2011 19:50:21 GMT -6
Too much responsibility for Beschorner was a mistake for Ed in my opinion. I am not impressed that Glenn did not give this a little more time and thought. WB is popular, was a good player for us, but he has skipped about ten years of coaching development to be in the position he is in. I think he will be a good O coordinator at some point, but right now, he has no idea how to adjust to halftime adjustments made by savvy more experienced coaches.
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Post by sloberknocker on Dec 8, 2011 19:52:30 GMT -6
i remember once hearing coach ed say that someday he could see jim glowgowski as the head coach at usd has anyone heard how things are going for him ? i sure liked glow when he was here. def corordinator for the yotes maybe? i know he went to a div 3 school as a head coach right?
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Post by yoteforever on Dec 8, 2011 20:27:52 GMT -6
i remember once hearing coach ed say that someday he could see jim glowgowski as the head coach at usd has anyone heard how things are going for him ? i sure liked glow when he was here. def corordinator for the yotes maybe? i know he went to a div 3 school as a head coach right? Jimmy has coached at Simpson College for 3 years now and is 15-15. He is a great guy.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 8, 2011 23:00:02 GMT -6
Jimmy Glow another example of a good player, not so good coach. Good players do not equate to good coaches in many instances. I am affraid if we end up with Wes at OC and anyone questionable at all on DC (definately including Glow) than things may not turn around or improve as much as we hope they will.
We can't repeat the same mistakes by going with less than ripe coordinators.
It certainly appears that Glenn is going to be a very good coach for USD but there is room for some questioning on some things. I can also understand others that make arguments that going in another direction would have been ok as well. If it's true that Glenn is only going to make 126K than that is actually troubling to me. How much was USD really willing to pony up for a head coach?
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Post by drdank on Dec 9, 2011 8:04:59 GMT -6
The combined comments on this board are making me want to change my moniker to Oliver Stone.
If you look at the Vocal Alumni, Biggest Boosters, and older University Administrators, I'm sure Ed rubbed somebody wrong from beginning to end. I get the feeling these guys saw an opportunity to pressure the new AD into their way of thinking. Hence, getting rid of Ed and returning to the good old days when USD was a historical losing program, by bringing back those popular names from the D-2 era.
Any move to have Wes as a Coordinator or Assistant Coach, is clearly a move backwards. I know Ed was caught of guard losing his OC, but there are always a lot of qualified coaches out there looking for opportunities to become coordinators. Was Ed forced to promote Wes? Was Joe sold a bunch of smoke thinking he is helping out his alma matar?
My pervious arguments have been about a faction trying to take this D-I program back to D-2, and remove us from the national stage and hide behind the curtain of 7-man. I'm starting to think my worries are actually based on some kind of short sighted conspiracy.
Call me Oliver Stone, but I hope these moves are not around stone around the future of this program.
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 9, 2011 8:43:41 GMT -6
Okay...time to bring sanity back to this board.
First, no conspiracy. Second, I have no problem with Wes as OC. From what I have heard he is well thought of in coaching circles, Glenn was highly impressed with him before he ever had the opportunity of being USD's head coach, and I see all these moves being made as Wes someday taking the reigns and becoming the next head coach at USD. JG is grooming him for the job and what better coach is there to learn under then one who has multiple national titles under his belt? Guys, in case you are missing it, these things are all good.
As for CF's comments about Glow, have you ever met the guy? Have you ever talked to him? Have you seen him coach or run a practice? Ok then, how do you know if he is a good coach or not?
$126k is more than USD has ever paid for a coach previously and I'm sure JG took the "alma mater discount". Maybe that leaves more $$ for the staff.
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Post by formeryote on Dec 9, 2011 10:07:45 GMT -6
126k could be just his base salary. I would assume there are bonus incentives to bring him up to market.
I echo Yote53’s comments about Joe Glenn and his judgment of talent as it relates to Wes. I would be willing to bet that Joe Glenn is better at assessing coaching talent than a few guys that post messages on a board. Given the fact that he’s won a couple national titles should be pedigree enough for most people… Give him a chance. Because a coach wasn’t successful in another system doesn’t mean that he won’t be highly successful in another.
Lastly, I need to correct CF. Jimmy Glow wasn’t a good player. He was a great player. And in regards to judging his coaching based on his record – He’s coaching in a D-111 environment – Non-Scholarship – completely different ballgame. The reason he took the job was to gain head coaching experience. Now that he’s had that experience, I’d be curious how it’s changed or perhaps further evolved his coaching style / expertise.
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Post by coyotebiz on Dec 9, 2011 11:31:52 GMT -6
Re: Wesley as the OC and some peoples skepticism about his abilities as OC.
He is young and no one really knows the dynamic that he worked under with Ed. Was it really Wes's offensive to call a game and make adjustments as he saw fit? Or was it Ed's call and Wes just did as he was told. We will find out but a coach who is (i) well traveled, (ii) more experienced, or (iii) was a good player does not mean they will translate to successful.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Dec 9, 2011 13:29:32 GMT -6
Ed gave Wes all of the control against Minny and loved it. Ever since that moment, Ed threw Wes under the bus. One week Ed would ask the team to run more, they would and Ed would say they ran too much they need to pass more. They would pass more and Ed would say they passed to much and have to get back to the ground game. It was a constant back and fourth to be honest. I want to see what Wes can do with a coach like Glenn. Wes has one year, which is always what you get in this state...
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