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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 18, 2012 15:02:19 GMT -6
Tipoff just after 3PM Central.
They are getting ready to plays the Zags
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 18, 2012 15:38:17 GMT -6
The Yotes hung for awhile but now Gonzaga is running away.
3:00 to go in the half
42-24
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 18, 2012 15:39:18 GMT -6
Good news....Yotes aren't doing any worse against Gonzaga as West Virginia at this point...might actually be doing better.
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Post by monster on Nov 18, 2012 18:35:16 GMT -6
Is this the worst most lopsided Loss in USD men's bball history? Just wondering...not being cynical. Just want to know
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Post by wileycoyote on Nov 19, 2012 0:07:57 GMT -6
Well, I guess it could be, considering they played a Top 20 ranked High Major team!?!
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 19, 2012 1:08:46 GMT -6
Yeah, while this loss looks lopsided and it was Gonzaga....this is going to seem mild maybe in March. There have been a lot of guys over at CBS that have said that Gonzaga is a Final Four team.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2012 1:40:23 GMT -6
I agree that Gonzaga is not the kind of team that you want to measure a mid major team against. They are simply just too good all over the court for the Yotes. The margin of victory in this game means very little to me. I believe that the Yotes would have beaten Southern had that not been their first game and Southern's third.
11-29-12 and 12-01-12 are the dates we should be looking forward to. Those games will be at home vs Western Illinois and IUPUI. Those are the games that should start to tell us what we will be looking at this year. The team should continue to improve this year but those two games will be very interesting. WIU went to the Summit League Championship game last year and IUPUI always seems to be pretty good.
The Coyotes are getting the experience they need to hopefully be an improved team in the Summit this year. I haven't gotten to watch any games yet but by the sounds of it the Yotes have some promising players that may be a bit more Summit League worthy than we had in the past. Kasperbauer, Flack, Rowson, Gruis and Myles are 5 that come to mind as far as the players that I think can make the Yotes a mid level Summit team by next season at the latest if not this year.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 19, 2012 2:03:36 GMT -6
With the trip to Canada giving the team a chance to play together, I am disappointed they did not beat Southern. Yes, Southern has the inside track at the SWAC title, but the SWAC is not a good conference. USD should've won that game, regardless of it being the first game of the year because of the time they had in Canada. That game did tell me a good amount about the team and the continued lack of perimeter defense.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2012 12:20:19 GMT -6
With the trip to Canada giving the team a chance to play together, I am disappointed they did not beat Southern. Yes, Southern has the inside track at the SWAC title, but the SWAC is not a good conference. USD should've won that game, regardless of it being the first game of the year because of the time they had in Canada. That game did tell me a good amount about the team and the continued lack of perimeter defense. Ok if that wasn't a factor the Coyotes did take out North Carolina Central who beat Southern. Not all can be blamed on when the game was played but I do believe that it being the first game for the Yotes did make a difference. They certainly played much better against NC Central.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 19, 2012 12:41:43 GMT -6
The whole point of the Canada trip was to get playing time together and figure each other out as a team. Know what they do and all. Technically, they got more practice and game experience in than a lot of teams, so I am not giving them a pass on that first game at all, which they should have won.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2012 18:25:17 GMT -6
The whole point of the Canada trip was to get playing time together and figure each other out as a team. Know what they do and all. Technically, they got more practice and game experience in than a lot of teams, so I am not giving them a pass on that first game at all, which they should have won. Having two games this fall against real college competition is much more valuable than a trip to Canada against over matched competition. I am not holding the Southern loss against the Yotes whatsoever.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 19, 2012 19:49:48 GMT -6
The whole point of the Canada trip was to get playing time together and figure each other out as a team. Know what they do and all. Technically, they got more practice and game experience in than a lot of teams, so I am not giving them a pass on that first game at all, which they should have won. Having two games this fall against real college competition is much more valuable than a trip to Canada against over matched competition. I am not holding the Southern loss against the Yotes whatsoever. Apparently the basketball season is a completely different animal for you than football season. If this was the football season you would've had a "Fire the coach sign" already. Inconsistent.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2012 20:50:02 GMT -6
I don't judge programs by one game. I judge them by seasons and trends. Coyote Football has a trend of losing in every way possible. They lose blowouts, they lose close games (almost every close game by the way), they lose, the lose and they lose some more. Why after every season are we always wondering how they blew it instead of what they did to win for once. It's always the same song and dance with this program and I HATE it. I hate flippin losing so I guess if that makes me an ass so be it, than I will be know as an ASS. This Ass will never except the kind of crap we saw this year. People keep defending losing football and it makes me absolutely crazy. This teams sucked and it sucked bad, stop defending it.
I am on the fence with the basketball program. It could go either way whether I think Boot's should go on or not. I could accept him to stay a couple of more years or I could accept a change. I am open to virtually all ideas. Does anyone even listen to Boot's on his comments. He doesn't accept losing any longer. He expects to win and expect to win now. He may or may not be the right guy but at least he isn't an excuse maker and has the right attitude right now.
If USD was up to NDSU's or SDSU's level during their first year of eligiblity I would have more patience but that is simply not the case all around with the athletic program. Both of those programs accomplishments in D1 are pretty darn good. USD basically has one good win over Minnesota in Football and a nice Conference Championship in a very bad D1 (more like D2) conference. That is pretty much it for accomplishments. Women's basketball has been good but are still overshadowed by SDSU and barely noticed by the media like the Jacks are.
I never said anything about firing Glenn until things realy started to unravel but after the Missouri State game I knew that their was some pretty big problems and then to show nothing against NDSU. NDSU is good but they aren't that good where USD should have looked totally inept against them.
I am going to make a prediction. If USD doesn't make some pretty serious changes to this program I don't think things will turn around next year like some people do. You can't continue to do the same things and expect different results. I understand the keep Joe Glenn people. There are alot of good reasons to do that. What I don't understand is the people that think we should keep every coach on this staff that has done nothing to prove that he first of all should have gotten his job and secondly be able to hold onto their job.
What is appears to me is that Joe Glenn is being loyal to a fault with his coaches and some of his players. I wonder whether Glenn has it in him to actually do what it takes to win or if he is going to continue to stand behind ideas and philosphies that don't work and stand behind players and coaches that have never proven they could get the job done. Sometimes winning isn't just knowing what you do well but also knowing what you don't do well. Don't keep standing behind ideas that don't work expecting them to suddenly start working. Knowing ones weaknesses is vital.
I still think Sayler will want changes but there will be others that convince him to not to make those changes. Some people think Joe Glenn walks on water and can go whatever he wants regardless of how much or little sense it makes. Joe Glenn did some things that just didn't make sense this year. For whatever reason he gets away with it despite his team not being able to get it done. If this coaching staff remains the same I am predicting no better than 3-8 next year and there will be a good chance that Sayler says enough is enough and fires the whole staff and starts new the year after. What will we have gotten but another wasted 2 years of Coyote Football to add to most of the last 25. Not really a big deal. Just another 2 years. Of course that doesn't have to be the case if Sayler demands changes.
If I were Sayler and Glenn refused to make changes to this staff I would fire him. Hate on me all you want but keeping the same coaching staff is not keeping the principals of accountability. The players are not going to suddenly get so much better than what we already have. Does anyone truly think that a sight upgrade in talent alone is going to have this team going from being the doormat of the MVFC to suddenly being a true contender.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 19, 2012 20:56:14 GMT -6
What in the last five years tells you that Boots is a winning coach? Just because of his comments? Well comments do not win games and he has not shown the ability to adjust his system and his teams have not been good defensively since Tyler Cain graduated.
I would just like you to hold the basketball program to the same standard as the football program. Just because Boots doesn't accept losing doesn't mean the team is just going to win. Glenn does not accept losing either just because his comments are different.
The loss to Southern was not a good one and one should not give it a pass because it was the "first-game of the season."
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2012 21:04:26 GMT -6
Ok since Boot's took over at USD lets compare what the basketball program has gone compared to the football program. There is no comparison. How many conference titles and playoff births did Boot's have and how many did the football team have. It a night and day difference. Boot's was not able to have too many great years but he has been solid for the most part over the past quarter century.
I never said I was firmly in the keep Dave Boots camp but I am more open to suggestions than the people that go around making excuses for a football program that has been pathetic over that same quarter century span. The football program has one third of a conference title in a small conference and one playoff birth over 25 years. Can't you see now why I lose such patience with this football program. It spans over a long time not just a knee jerk reaction. CF#2 I know that you haven't been a fan as long as I have so you don't know what it is like to sit through all those losing seasons. That is why I am so outspoken and why I tend to lose a gasket much quicker with Coyote Football. I would have slept alot better over the last few years if Coyote Football would have been contracted upon the move to D1. There have been way too many heartache moments vs truly satisfying moments. Way too many.
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