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Dec 10, 2012 11:12:37 GMT -6
Post by littleyote on Dec 10, 2012 11:12:37 GMT -6
Was looking for some help in finding stats on the Coyotes team against Division 1 opponents over the course of the past several years. In particular I am looking for offensive and defensive rebounds along with opponents shooting percentage. It appears to me the Yotes are consistently out rebounded every game. It also seems to me that other teams consistently have their best shooting percentage games against the Yotes. On the few occasions other teams are struggling with their shooting percentages during the game we allow an enormous number of offensive rebounds allowing those teams to compete and win against us.
As the college basketball season gets well under way it is very interesting to watch successful teams and try to compare them to the Yotes. The most successful teams have just a few very basic differences from the Yotes. Most of those teams talent level is not extremely different than the Yotes. The basic determining factor for the success for those teams appears to be implementing the very foundations of good basketball. These players play hard nose defense, box out and rebound. They attack the rim. These players also show an unbelievable respect for the coaching staff along with an unbelievable desire to play the game and win. In return the coaching staff of these programs seem to have a knack of earning respect and bringing out the best qualities in the players. This mutual respect and the fundamentals of basketball seem to make a strong successful program. These seem to be the key component missing between the coaching staff and players on the Yotes team. I am curious what others think about the lack of respect between the current coaches and players and what causes this. Do you think it could have anything to do with the above stats?
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Dec 10, 2012 13:02:25 GMT -6
Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 10, 2012 13:02:25 GMT -6
I think littleyote was talking about Men's Basketball since this is the thread for that.
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Dec 10, 2012 15:43:00 GMT -6
Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Dec 10, 2012 15:43:00 GMT -6
Was looking for some help in finding stats on the Coyotes team against Division 1 opponents over the course of the past several years. In particular I am looking for offensive and defensive rebounds along with opponents shooting percentage. It appears to me the Yotes are consistently out rebounded every game. It also seems to me that other teams consistently have their best shooting percentage games against the Yotes. On the few occasions other teams are struggling with their shooting percentages during the game we allow an enormous number of offensive rebounds allowing those teams to compete and win against us. As the college basketball season gets well under way it is very interesting to watch successful teams and try to compare them to the Yotes. The most successful teams have just a few very basic differences from the Yotes. Most of those teams talent level is not extremely different than the Yotes. The basic determining factor for the success for those teams appears to be implementing the very foundations of good basketball. These players play hard nose defense, box out and rebound. They attack the rim. These players also show an unbelievable respect for the coaching staff along with an unbelievable desire to play the game and win. In return the coaching staff of these programs seem to have a knack of earning respect and bringing out the best qualities in the players. This mutual respect and the fundamentals of basketball seem to make a strong successful program. These seem to be the key component missing between the coaching staff and players on the Yotes team. I am curious what others think about the lack of respect between the current coaches and players and what causes this. Do you think it could have anything to do with the above stats? I don't know if the stats show a lack of respect between the coaches and the players. I think that is more of a transferring out thing. Is there something we don't know about with this group of players and what they think of Boots? The stats definitely won't tell us that.
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Dec 10, 2012 16:39:33 GMT -6
Post by 59coyote on Dec 10, 2012 16:39:33 GMT -6
Coaching respect is hard to maintain if you look at the minutes played by the bench players and who they are!!!
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Dec 10, 2012 18:46:37 GMT -6
Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 10, 2012 18:46:37 GMT -6
I don't sence a particular problem or lack of respect between players and coaches but it does seem like historically Boot's does keep a larger doghouse around than most.
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Dec 10, 2012 19:24:30 GMT -6
Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Dec 10, 2012 19:24:30 GMT -6
If by minutes you mean Jordan boots, from what I know, boots has always been popular with his teammates. Boots has always seemed to have the respect of his players too.
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Dec 11, 2012 8:41:03 GMT -6
Post by sleuth on Dec 11, 2012 8:41:03 GMT -6
Read this article today and found it kind of ironic, even famous basketball players know that not every system fits the team. You need to coach to the style of ball that best suits your team. Here is the part of the article that i found to be telling of our situation, at least the part about the system being wrong for the team. This is an interview of Magic Johnson on why the lakers are struggling rite now. I will also attach the link so you can read the whole thing if you wish www.foxsportswest.com/12/10/12/Magic-Johnson-This-is-not-Laker-basketba/msn_landing.html?blockID=833661&feedID=8686 JOE MCDONNELL — "Is Mike D’Antoni the wrong coach for this team?" Erving Johnson — "The system is wrong for this team. And if it doesn’t change, he’ll be the wrong coach for this team. We don’t have runners — look at the roster. Things will change a little bit offensively — no question — with Steve [Nash] back and healthy. But that’s not going to help us . . . in terms of playing defense". Talent is not the problem, but i do think that there is a lack of respect because the players know that the system that they are being forced to play in doesnt fit the teams style and they are sick of losing. The players WANT to play man defense, but boots refuses to let the zone go. Break down any game where we switched from zone to man and there is a glaring difference in our rebounding and scoring. We are just plain better playing man defense and getting out in trasition.
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Dec 11, 2012 11:14:03 GMT -6
Post by redwhiteandyote on Dec 11, 2012 11:14:03 GMT -6
Yes, sorry, he was talking about men's bball. i took down my post.
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Dec 11, 2012 11:58:34 GMT -6
Post by 59coyote on Dec 11, 2012 11:58:34 GMT -6
Sleuth, you are right! #1CoyoteFan, you are WRONG!
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Dec 11, 2012 12:35:22 GMT -6
Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Dec 11, 2012 12:35:22 GMT -6
Read this article today and found it kind of ironic, even famous basketball players know that not every system fits the team. You need to coach to the style of ball that best suits your team. Here is the part of the article that i found to be telling of our situation, at least the part about the system being wrong for the team. This is an interview of Magic Johnson on why the lakers are struggling rite now. I will also attach the link so you can read the whole thing if you wish www.foxsportswest.com/12/10/12/Magic-Johnson-This-is-not-Laker-basketba/msn_landing.html?blockID=833661&feedID=8686 JOE MCDONNELL — "Is Mike D’Antoni the wrong coach for this team?" Erving Johnson — "The system is wrong for this team. And if it doesn’t change, he’ll be the wrong coach for this team. We don’t have runners — look at the roster. Things will change a little bit offensively — no question — with Steve [Nash] back and healthy. But that’s not going to help us . . . in terms of playing defense". Talent is not the problem, but i do think that there is a lack of respect because the players know that the system that they are being forced to play in doesnt fit the teams style and they are sick of losing. The players WANT to play man defense, but boots refuses to let the zone go. Break down any game where we switched from zone to man and there is a glaring difference in our rebounding and scoring. We are just plain better playing man defense and getting out in trasition. Magic is also one of the worst commentators in the NBA, but I do agree, DA is a bad fit for the Lakers, but there was not a coach that could fit the Lakers because Magic doesn't want to throw Kobe and Dwight under the bus, so a big grain of salt there. I agree, Boots agrees to let the zone go, but it has been his bread and butter for 20 years and if the players didn't know that when they committed there, well, then they really didn't do their homework.
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Dec 11, 2012 12:48:32 GMT -6
Post by sleuth on Dec 11, 2012 12:48:32 GMT -6
That is fine that he has used that system for 20 years. But the way it looks to me, the bread bag has been open to long and someone left the butter out. I dont know about you, but i dont like to eat hard bread and nasty butter, and thats exactly what this system looks like at the D1 level. When that happens i find myself new bread and butter. i.e. man defense and a transition offense. Any player going there saw a good program with a tradition of winning and probably thought that boots was a coach who knew how to win, no matter what was thrown at him. This program is officially in D1 but its coach is still stuck in D2. So either he needs to adjust or this program, as much as i hate to say it, needs to find a coach who will.
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Dec 11, 2012 12:58:11 GMT -6
Post by sleuth on Dec 11, 2012 12:58:11 GMT -6
Look at all the coaching shake ups in NCAA football this year. The message that those schools sent was, "either find the players and system it takes to win or take your outdated system elsewhere". why should this program be any different. Im not saying that we need to win the summit this year but we are a heck of a lot better this year than we were last year and we sure arent showing it yet. If we were showing signs of improvement no one would say anything but we have done nothing but regress.
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Dec 11, 2012 13:19:40 GMT -6
Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Dec 11, 2012 13:19:40 GMT -6
Yeah...I have basically been saying the zone has been outdated in Boots' system for 2-3 years. There has only been one coach to really use the zone at a great level and that's Jimmy B up at Syracuse, so you are preaching to the choir there.
In terms of success, it was no secret that Boots ran a zone defense and watching a little bit of film and doing some research can do that. With it being that big of a decision, that's what a lot of kids do nowadays.
Also, most of the football firings weren't about outdated systems I feel. I think that is a pretty bad example.
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Dec 11, 2012 13:34:22 GMT -6
Post by sleuth on Dec 11, 2012 13:34:22 GMT -6
Those coaches, 1. couldnt get the players necessary to be competitive. 2. Couldnt implement a system that optomized the talent they had. The combination of those two got the coaches fired. It is the 2nd one that is keeping USD irrelavent and it will get boots fired (or at least it should).
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Dec 11, 2012 15:14:16 GMT -6
Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Dec 11, 2012 15:14:16 GMT -6
Auburn — scandals, that's what got Chizik fired. Kentucky - lack of funds for the football program will allow it to never succeed. Arkansas - coach rode his motorcycle with his mistress and crashed. Colorado - Two years, so it wasn't the system or players, it was the school. USF - Will agree with you there. Tennessee — the school is stuck in the Fullmer era and I don't know if that program will ever be successful again.
I agree that Boot's system is outdated, but the circumstances for some of these coaches getting canned is different this year. Listen to the CBS sports football podcast, they say this year is a little different in some of the coaches getting fired and situations behind it.
Your reasons for a coach getting canned though are pretty spot on though for what gets a coach canned.
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