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Post by Coyote Fan on Jan 30, 2013 21:45:11 GMT -6
My bad that was supposed to be in the Women's basketball thread.
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Post by yotefan on Jan 31, 2013 12:01:47 GMT -6
Don't know about you guys, but I'm looking forward to watching THE college basketball rivalry game in the area tonight in Brookings. Whether Tom Neiman can admit that or not is another thing. =) Come on Tom, you can do it buddy. Go Yotes!
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Post by jimmyjack on Jan 31, 2013 14:31:05 GMT -6
I have heard a lot more chatter around campus (at SDSU) for tonight's USD game than I did for Saturday's NDSU game. It's really fun to beat NDSU, but I don't know how anyone can claim that USD isn't the top rival for SDSU. I think chatter among the students is a far better indicator of "rivalry" than even attendance at the game.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Jan 31, 2013 16:09:25 GMT -6
I will take it one step further Jimmy - our state is very lucky to have programs that not only have rivalries with each other, but with other teams in surrounding states. True Rivalries. Rivalries that people talk about and take seriously.
I can tell you that at a place like Nebraska, they don't even know what a rivalry is anymore. It is quite sad. Yes, all games are big, but not necessarily something you can cherish and look forward to at the beginning of the season all the way up to game time (regardless of season records). There, added hype from a game ONLY comes from playing "big name" teams or playing games there have a bearing on the conference outcome.
Don't get me wrong, all of that is important - probably most important, in fact. But, that value is entirely contingent on circumstance.
Rivalries build culture. They grow fan bases. They even have a significant bearing on recruiting. Who wouldn't want to play in the Michigan/OSU game or the Duke/North Carolina game???
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Post by oldhare on Jan 31, 2013 17:07:51 GMT -6
This is likely another good reason that the Summit League has some juice. The Dakotas bring some enthusiasism(sp) and crowds to the seats. That is a building block needed to bring the programs in the conference forward as well.. Cenentenary and SUU were causalties as well as ORU by leaving but not taking a lot of emotion in the matchups. Hopefully Denver will make a good addition as UNO will be be.
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Post by Go Jacks on Jan 31, 2013 20:09:03 GMT -6
Agreed two great in-state institutions that should be able to keep the rivalry going and keep the Summit League Tournament in Sioux Falls. I would much rather stay together in the Summit than bolt to another conference. Let's work to make the Summit a multi-bid conference. I think as a whole the conference is close it it stays together.
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Post by GoYotes on Jan 31, 2013 20:34:45 GMT -6
All 3 Dakotas in the Summit also in process of big facility upgrades
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 1, 2013 9:00:23 GMT -6
I was a Big Sky guy but have to agree that with the Dakota schools in the same conference it has a lot more juice to it. Now, just have to get that stubborn 4th Dakota school to join u sin the Summit/MVFC and the juice in this conference will be overflowing.
Also loving the addition of DU. The Summit is kind of a motley crue, the Dakotas and a bunch of metro schools.
P.S. Yes, C-R-U-E was intentionally spelled that way!
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Post by yotefan on Feb 1, 2013 9:48:11 GMT -6
jimmyjack, Good post about the chatter around campus as to both games and thanks for the information. I think that pretty much explains why I took issue with Neiman's comment in the first place. I friend of mine tells me that he knows first-hand that Tom doesn't personally believe that SDSU v. NDSU is THE rivalry, which would lead me to believe that either MidCo scripted his comment or some knuckle head producer believes that to be the case. In any event, you are correct, along with JackJD, that solely basing the quality and intensity of the rivalry based on attendance would be a bit misguided. I will say this, the attendance at the NDSU game was 6,063 and attendance last night against USD was 6,130 so there is some merit to the attendance argument. Additionally, the crowd and the Jack players certainly seemed much more fired up in the game last night than they did against NDSU as well.
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Post by 91jack on Feb 1, 2013 12:07:02 GMT -6
Who is SDSU's main rival- I think it all depends on who ask. There were about as many people at the NDSU game as the USD game and the students actually showed up for the USD game. I think the students easily buy into to USD rivalry. If I remember right, the media had stuff on the news for 4 or 5 days leading up to the 1st SDSU/USD game. USD put up a billboard about 16 months before the 1st football game. That got air time, too. How about the South Dakota Corn Growers, what ever it's called. I don't even know what it's called. That's another way of lighting the SDSU/USD rivalry. The more you sell people on something, the more they buy it. Some of the older fans might take a while to get back to USD. They might have showed up for the NDSU game just because to had conference title hopes but I think some remember the last few years with NDSU. It all comes down to winning, important games, media hype and who you talk to. The SDSU/USD women's game was important because if USD won they would be tied for the conference lead. Just like the NDSU/SDSU men's game. The SDSU/NDSU football game was for the conference championship and the 2nd one was in the playoffs. Would SDSU get crap about losing at home to USD? Yes! But would you rather lose to USD and beat NDSU in the playoffs? I guess it depends on who you ask.
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Post by gmandakota on Feb 2, 2013 8:33:47 GMT -6
The reality is SDSU/USD did not play each other for basically an entire decade. In that timeframe, NDSU became the rival of SDSU and vice-versa. The reality is the current players and students bought into that rivalry which made it that much better. The best analogy I have heard is that SDSU and NDSU are like brothers. They will beat the heck out of each other, but if you take on one brother then the other brother will come to their defense. At the end of the day, they will sit down together at the supper table. There is respect for each other versus the hate. The players and students who are not from SD or that do not have deep roots to SDSU or USD have known nothing but the SDSU v. NDSU rivalry. The reality is there are players and students that will need to mature into the SDSU/USD rivalry. The reality is that USD was never able to duplicate the same level of rivalry with UND during the same timeframe. It will be easier for USD players and students to buy into the SDSU/USD rivalry as they never had a replacement rivalry like NDSU and SDSU experienced with each other. In the end, USD and SDSU will become the main rival in the eyes of the SDSU players and students as they begin to experience the rivalry first hand. In the end, NDSU will naturally become the Augustana of old to the SDSU players and students, which is not a bad thing. Some of the best games I attended while going to SDSU were the Augustana games. The atmosphere of those games was not quite as intense as the SDSU/USD games, but it was a close second. Afterall the largest crowd at Frost Arena will forever be an Augustana game (Frost holds less now due to new seating). The largest attended football game at Coughlin Alumni Stadium is of a NDSU game in 2007. I was at Hobo Day in 1985 when SDSU knocked off the top ranked Coyotes (second largest crowd). I was at CAS in 2007 when SDSU knocked off the top ranked Bison. The atmosphere of both games was special, and I am glad that I got to experience both games. The only difference between the two games was that of a student versus that of an adult. Seven out of the top 10 attended games at CAS occurred in the last decade www.gojacks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=15000&ATCLID=925148. The attendance last fall for SDSU/USD was 15,278, which would come in as the 7th highest attended game at CAS. So.... it is not fair to criticize those who still consider NDSU as the number one rival to SDSU as they have only experienced the SDSU v. USD rivalry for two years. It will take a whole new round of classes of players and students to mature back into the SDSU v. USD as being the number one rival. So... when a player like Nate Wolters says his rival is NDSU... it is perfectly natural as that is the only rivalry that an entire decade of students experienced. He is not from SD. Players and students like him have never experienced the SDSU v. USD rivalry. The players and students of basically the last decade will always consider NDSU as the number one rival as the reality is NDSU was their number one rival.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Feb 2, 2013 18:53:56 GMT -6
That's great for Nate saying that and all, but when there is a bigger attendance and students are saying its the USD-SDSU game, it's the USD-SDSU game. Yes, SDSU had the time to build the rivalry with NDSU, but the USD-SDSU game has been around 2 years and drew more than the NDSU game this year when they are two of the top teams in the conference.
Sometimes logic just wins out.
Also, so if J.J. Reddick would've say Maryland was Duke's biggest rival when he was there, would that have made Maryland the bigger rival? Nope. Wolters' inability to show up in the first half in the Dome this year would also suggest USD is on his mind more than he would like to admit.
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Post by jacksfan29 on Feb 2, 2013 20:36:19 GMT -6
100 fans on a weeknight when students are around hardly equates to an attendance boom making USD a bigger draw then NDSU. As for Wolters and the others, its correct that they would consider NDSU a bigger rivalry right now. Same with the FB team. Right now NDSU and SDSU are sitting at the top of the conference. This year in FB it was the two at the top of the standings. It is who and what they know. USD is a late comer to the party. It will get bigger, but right now it is what it is. As for Nate not showing up. Could that have more to do with he and the rest of the team not taking USD seriously? Maybe.
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Post by oldhare on Feb 2, 2013 21:57:40 GMT -6
over 3000 watch bison go by the yotes. Never saw a thread here,
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Feb 3, 2013 0:21:54 GMT -6
over 3000 watch bison go by the yotes. Never saw a thread here, Could be because on a Saturday night we had other stuff to do, like hang out with people instead of sit by our computers like you OldHare. There's more to life than just staring at a computer screen.
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