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Post by coyote61 on May 6, 2013 18:02:43 GMT -6
Oakland just sent out a release inviting media to its Board of Trustees meeting tomorrow. Could be related to potential Horizon move.
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Post by jackjd on May 7, 2013 17:16:34 GMT -6
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Post by notkiotees on May 7, 2013 21:16:07 GMT -6
WHAT!? I am stunned. Who saw this coming?
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Post by Yote 53 on May 8, 2013 7:43:45 GMT -6
Anybody who was paying attention saw this coming. Anyone who was paying attention saw we made the wrong choice in the Summit League. We had an opportunity to be in the Big Sky for all sports and blew it.
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Post by flashtaco on May 8, 2013 11:45:36 GMT -6
Anybody who was paying attention saw this coming. Anyone who was paying attention saw we made the wrong choice in the Summit League. We had an opportunity to be in the Big Sky for all sports and blew it. I disagree. TSL is going to survive and will be fine. Will there be a few rough patches? Yes. In the end it will all work out for the best. I would rather be in the current TSL (without Oakland) than the current BSC. |
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Post by golfingyote on May 8, 2013 13:55:26 GMT -6
I agree, would rather be in current Summit than Big Sky. We need to be careful however, as right now the summit may be the odd man out pending any other departures. IF it does get to the point where the summit disbands, we need to be sure we are attached at the hip of SDSU and NDSU, as they will both be hot commodities.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on May 8, 2013 16:57:29 GMT -6
Anybody who was paying attention saw this coming. Anyone who was paying attention saw we made the wrong choice in the Summit League. We had an opportunity to be in the Big Sky for all sports and blew it. Actually, when the Big Sky talk was going on, Montana and Montana State were getting series interest from the WAC and could've bolted at any moment. Wouldn't be surprised if the Mountain West came calling to those two if one or two schools jump ship in the MWC. Is it hard times for the Summit? Yes, but they can add schools still. The Big Sky still is a weaker bball conference than The Summit and the MVFC is still stronger than the Big Sky. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on May 8, 2013 17:04:04 GMT -6
By the remarks of Tom Douple saying that "8" is a good number or that he doesn't want to add schools just to add schools, he has his head in the sand. There is definately a problem. If Douple thinks good programs are going to jump into the Summit it appears from the outside that he is kidding himself. Just who does he think he is going to get that is a worthy school right now. No one with a big resume is coming into the Summit anytime soon. I will give you Denver but I am a bit puzzled as to why they came into a disinegrating league. There must be something we don't know because I seriously doubt that Denver would come into a conference that isn't geographically close or stable.
If USD isn't at least a bit nervous I don't understand why they wouldn't be. What would happen to USD if SDSU and NDSU paired up and left the league. The Summit would surely be gone and USD would be begging to get a big sky invitation which is what they should have taken in the first place. The Yotes simply wanted to follow SDSU instead of looking out for what was best for themselves.
IMO and this doesn't count outside influences, USD had two good reasons to take the Summit invite. To follow SDSU and because of the Summit tourney in Sioux Falls. Well the USD following wasn't very great at the Summit tourney and all USD is doing is watching SDSU make all the headlines.
Going to the big sky was the way that USD would have been able to create their own identity but instead the U once again would rather stay hidden in SDSU's shadow.
Herbster I got a way you can make your mark as AD. Get this program to be part of a stable conference that includes all sports. That is how you can make your mark.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on May 8, 2013 19:05:48 GMT -6
While I agree that this troubling, a commsioner cannot panic in this situation. Why? Because if you panic and add just anyone, then the league will no longer exist or be on a major lifeline.
That is exactly what happened to the league formerly known as the Big East. They added schools such as Tulane, which spooked the Catholic 7 because Tulane is...well, Tulane. They were hoping for a quality school, but didn't get it. The other main member schools said, see ya, and left.
The WAC lost a number of schools and added Denver, Texas-San Antonio, Seattle and Texas-Arlington. Denver was the only somewhat legit school and proved it this year out of that group. Now Denver has bolted for a better conference. Yes, the Summit is better than the WAC.
They panicked and added subpar teams.
The Big 12 did not panic when it lost Nebraska and Missouri to better conferences and it remained intact and is still looking for the right fit. The Big 12 is still a major big conference and has major financial stability even with Nebraska leaving. Actually, schools get a bigger cut of the pie cause of that.
Is it a concern that these schools are leaving? Without a doubt and it is disappointing, but The Summit will not cease to exist. Just have to find the right fits and see if any other schools are unhappy with where they are at. It rarely is a quick fix, but The Summit will continue to build around the Dakota schools.
Oh, and if you think fans are going to rally around and show up for Big Sky games? That won't happy one bit.
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Post by fargobison on May 8, 2013 21:14:26 GMT -6
Did Douple really say "8" is a good number? I doubt Saul Phillips agrees or a lot of other coaches at NDSU for that matter. The conference needs to have at least 10 members.
Unfortunately Douple has bungled things so badly with UND I'm not sure they will join the Summit.
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Post by Coyote Fan on May 8, 2013 21:53:30 GMT -6
CF#1 wasn't the NCC also saying that the conference would still go on after NDSU and SDSU left. What happened to the NCC after that. If it can happen to a 100 year conference in a stable environment it can certainly happen to an always unstable Summit in unstable times.
The Summit is in real trouble right now and if people ignore it and hope the problem goes away it will. The "will" is the Summit.
Do people really think Western Illinois, IUPUI and IPFW aren't just a little concerned right now. If those programs are worth keeping than other conferences will want them as well and they will look to go east, south or north just like Oakland.
There better be some magical plan out there that is being kept secret because the Summit is disinegrating. Should have chosen the big sky like about half of us wanted in the first place.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on May 8, 2013 22:30:12 GMT -6
It was more like 25 percent of you wanted it and D-II is different than D-I conferences, honestly. The NCC merged with the Northern Sun for a D-II Super Conference. The NSIC got the name, which sucks cause the NCC was the stronger conference. OH well.
Does it suck with the Summit right now? Yes, but the MVFC is stronger in football and The Summit is still stronger than the Big Sky and no one is showing up with Montana or Montana State show up for a bball game. At least I know you aren't coyotefan.... Even though you did go to the Summit so kudos.
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Post by yotelover on May 9, 2013 8:18:12 GMT -6
The Summit is in real trouble right now and if people ignore it and hope the problem goes away it will. The "will" is the Summit. People have tried to ignore you but you don't go away. |
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Post by Yote 53 on May 9, 2013 8:46:34 GMT -6
Sorry folks but Coyote Fan is right about this. The Summit is on life support as the clock is ticking on its autobid in baseball. Why does that matter? Because in order to retain the BASKETBALL autobid the Summit has to maintain autobids as a conference in a minimum number of men's sports. Don't think for one second the NCAA is going to give us any leeway on this, the BCS schools would love to get their hands on that NCAA bid that they all feel go to too many schools that don't deserve it anyway. You can forget what has been said about the Big East, Big 12, etc, those rules don't apply. Those are BCS schools we're talking about, people could give two craps if USD, SDSU, NDSU etc. are left flapping in the wind because in the grand scheme of D1 we are on the bottom of the totem pole.
So the question is, who does the Summit add because the conference NEEDS to add some schools and stabilize itself? NJIT? Chicago St? Welcome back to the Great West Conference 2.0. I am not saying we should be in panic mode but USD fans should start to become seriously alarmed at what is going on. Also, no, there is nothing wrong with questioning why we chose to stay in the Summit over the Big Sky. The Sky is stable as we speak and the Summit has had 3 members leave since we joined, what, in the last 2 seasons. Think about that turnover, the conference is a revolving door just like many of us said. Oh, and there were a TON of people that wanted the Sky, including many in the athletic dept because they knew the history of the constant turmoil of the Summit.
A simple solution to the baseball issue that this conference faces would be for USD to restart its baseball program. If it means saving the basketball autobid I think we have to do it. I'm sure it would be a skeleton effort and the sport would receive minimal funding, but at least it would be back.
The long term solution to stabilize this conference comes in the form of UND and UNC. The Summit schools in the MVFC need to find a way to force those two schools into the football conference. They could then join the Summit for all other sports. Denver and UNC could be the western edge of the conference. The core of the conference would be USD, SDSU, UND, NDSU, WIU, UNO, UNC, and DU. That's 8 core schools, only two more would be needed to round out the conference. Right now that's IUPUI and IPFW, two schools who are also looking to go anywhere else but here. With a solid core of the 8 schools though, the Summit then becomes a destination conference and we can become selective in what schools we want to join us.
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Post by Yote 53 on May 9, 2013 9:05:55 GMT -6
Just read this over on the SDSU board compliments of one of our own Yote fans.
"Douple and Hans Mueh need to sit down and have a little chat. Good fit for both parties. " - JoeybrownerHOF
I have to admit, having the Air Force Academy in the Summit for its olympic sports has got me interested. Gives the Summit two schools in Colorado with DU and AFA. It's a freaking academy school. I don't care what their athletics are like, and academy school gives the Summit instant street cred. Have to say I like it.
Bring them in with UNC and UND, the Indiana schools will get the message about which way the wind is blowing and then we can be selective about a 10th member.
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