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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on May 11, 2013 23:54:13 GMT -6
FSSD, good post and all, but Weber State has only made two NCAA tourneys since 2000 and have lost both times in the first round. Last trip to the 2nd round was in 1999. The Glory Years of Weber State were in the late 60s and early 70s.
Also, you bring up Damon Lillard, who is going to be a great NBA player, but he is the first legit NBA player Weber State as had since the 70s. No, Eddie Gill does not count, honestly.
Lillard was so good that he led you to what, how many NCAA tourney appearances? None? You have THAT talent and cannot make the NCAA tournament? Lack of depth much? Even SDSU made it with Nate Wolters two years in a row. Murray State made it last year with Cannon. Just saying.
Don't give me Weber State as a this great team right now. They have made the NCAA tournament twice since 2000 like I said.
Besides that, yes, the Big Sky is a good conference, but I will take the bball in the Big Sky and football ATM because the last two national champs are from the MVFC and NDSU has a lot of returning players.
For women's basketball, Montana basketball has dominated that conference much like SDSU has dominated the Summit. But the last time Montana has made it to the second round of the NCAA tourney is the 1994-95 season. SDSU has a first-round victory in that time span.
The Big Sky is a pretty good conference, I agree with that, but it is also overrated with both men's and women's basketball conferences. Football isn't overrated, but the MVFC is better.
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Post by Yote 53 on May 13, 2013 13:35:51 GMT -6
Getting back to the thread - hate to see Oakland go. It puts the SL in a tough spot. But, I do believe that they will be fine. I am not sure that UND would join the SL because football would need a home. Big Sky is not going to let UND be a football only school and MVFC is not going to allow UND in the door. To be honest, I really don't see UND joining the SL because the SL is not the end goal for NDSU or SDSU. So, why join a conference to be with the other Dakota schools when they are looking to leave. Both ADs at xDSU are on record saying other conferences are the end goal. If the SL became the long term goal (ie 20 years or more and started Summit Football) I believe that UND would look at joining but it would need assurances that the Dakota schools would remain together. If the XDSU's are looking to move on from the Summit, which I agree that they are, then why did USD stay in the Summit when it had the opportunity to be in the Big Sky? You use the term "destination conference". I agree that the Summit, in its history, is nothing more than a transitional conference. Why did USD choose to stay in this conference knowing all this? It really ticks me off. It's just another example of USD being shortsighted. I'll tell you this, the XDSU's should be sending out heartfelt thank you's to USD for (IMO making the wrong decision) choosing to stay in the Summit. The Summit would be DEAD right now if not for USD staying in it.
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Post by notkiotees on May 13, 2013 17:31:04 GMT -6
Getting back to the thread - hate to see Oakland go. It puts the SL in a tough spot. But, I do believe that they will be fine. I am not sure that UND would join the SL because football would need a home. Big Sky is not going to let UND be a football only school and MVFC is not going to allow UND in the door. To be honest, I really don't see UND joining the SL because the SL is not the end goal for NDSU or SDSU. So, why join a conference to be with the other Dakota schools when they are looking to leave. Both ADs at xDSU are on record saying other conferences are the end goal. If the SL became the long term goal (ie 20 years or more and started Summit Football) I believe that UND would look at joining but it would need assurances that the Dakota schools would remain together. What other conferences are the end goal?
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Post by fssd on May 13, 2013 18:09:51 GMT -6
You do realize that Lillard left early. He lead Weber St to two regular season titles - I think his fr. and so. years. He broke his foot at the start of his jr. year. Came back as redshirt junior - not sure he was completely healthy but played well enough to get confidence back in his foot and declared for the draft. Unfortunately for Weber and college basketball fans in general, we missed out on what would be his two best years. Don't give me Weber State as a this great team right now. They have made the NCAA tournament twice since 2000 like I said. If Lillard would have come back this year - Weber would have been a very good team. Without him they were the best team in the Big Sky and made a CIT run. Unfortunately for Weber they lost in the conference playoffs. Personally, I was bummed out by the Big Sky season. The top 4 players coming back either left early or were injured a large % of the season - Lillard, Cherry, Ward and Huff.
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Post by fssd on May 13, 2013 18:31:42 GMT -6
Getting back to the thread - hate to see Oakland go. It puts the SL in a tough spot. But, I do believe that they will be fine. I am not sure that UND would join the SL because football would need a home. Big Sky is not going to let UND be a football only school and MVFC is not going to allow UND in the door. To be honest, I really don't see UND joining the SL because the SL is not the end goal for NDSU or SDSU. So, why join a conference to be with the other Dakota schools when they are looking to leave. Both ADs at xDSU are on record saying other conferences are the end goal. If the SL became the long term goal (ie 20 years or more and started Summit Football) I believe that UND would look at joining but it would need assurances that the Dakota schools would remain together. If the XDSU's are looking to move on from the Summit, which I agree that they are, then why did USD stay in the Summit when it had the opportunity to be in the Big Sky? You use the term "destination conference". I agree that the Summit, in its history, is nothing more than a transitional conference. Why did USD choose to stay in this conference knowing all this? MVFC/Summit is a great combination but as noted earlier I don't think it is the end game. I believe xDSU schools and now USD have looked toward UNI as the model (MVFC/MVC). I am not sure if that has changed given the recent movement. But, if the Summit League was the long term goal for xDSU. They would have started Summit Football when UxD schools moved up. Right now you would have: Poly, Davis, SUU, UxD, xDSU and W Ill playing football with a fairly stable group of schools for all other Olympic sports. Like I said earlier, I think the SL will be fine. But, I think the xDSU are still working the back networks looking to leave and I assume that USD is included with those plans.
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Post by fssd on May 13, 2013 21:12:56 GMT -6
If the XDSU's are looking to move on from the Summit, which I agree that they are, then why did USD stay in the Summit when it had the opportunity to be in the Big Sky? You use the term "destination conference". I agree that the Summit, in its history, is nothing more than a transitional conference. Why did USD choose to stay in this conference knowing all this? It really ticks me off. It's just another example of USD being shortsighted. I'll tell you this, the XDSU's should be sending out heartfelt thank you's to USD for (IMO making the wrong decision) choosing to stay in the Summit. The Summit would be DEAD right now if not for USD staying in it. Patience, I don't think all the pieces are done yet and I think that the xDSU and USD are all working as a group at this point.
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Post by Yotes on May 16, 2013 20:45:54 GMT -6
The Summit has no real hope for survival unless it brings in some D-2 Minnesota schools or the remnants of the Great West. 7 full Division 1 schools are required to maintain an autobid in basketball, and with the shuffling this summer we will have 8 in the fall. Denver is not at all a school you can count in long term as this will be their third conference in three years, and I would not be shocked at all to see the two Indiana schools jump to a more local conference like the Ohio Valley or possibly Horizon. Who can we get when, and I assure you it is only a matter of time, those three schools jump ship? UND is about the only school in the area that's a real option, and drawing them in is not certain since they have an extremely stable conference. If you look past UND, the only possible schools would be ones that would likely have the same effect that Tulane had on the Big East. The Summit is doomed if you look at it realistically.
The Missouri Valley is likely our best shot. They don't want to lose their schools to the Big Sky, especially when one is king of the FCS world. I don't think it is a long shot for the MVC to take in USD, SDSU, NDSU, and WIU to cement the stability of their premier football conference. The MVC is already having to deal with stability problems of its own with Creighton leaving, Wichita State might take the VCU path and jump to the A-10. Adding these 4 schools may just be in everyone's best interest.
Or we can beg for the Big Sky to take us in...
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