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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 21, 2014 8:50:29 GMT -6
What is it now? Something like 35% of the student body at SDSU is there to get their M-R-S degree. That sounds about right.
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Post by golfingyote on Nov 21, 2014 8:53:31 GMT -6
Not sure, let me go ask all of our doctors, lawyers, & businessmen Hey come on now guys, they have the school of pharmacy and they have uhhh, well, give me a minute....the degree where you judge cattle and cheese and get a job at....your parents farm. Yeah nevermind, they have pharmacy though, which is nice.
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Post by yote14 on Nov 21, 2014 9:53:48 GMT -6
SDSU degrees are worth something all by themselves. My Bachelor of Science degree has given me tremendous earning power and a fine lifestyle without the need for an additional degree. Without another degree on top of a USD undergrad degree, that must not be the case. You said it yourself. Is the first day of speech class at USD still dedicated to the question, " Would you like fries with that?" Lower enrollment, yet double the endowment. Explain that. Well said Yotes. It's tought to explain how with twice the undergrad enrollment you have an endowment that is half the size. NDSU is in the same boat only i feel like their undergrad enrollment is more than twice the size of USD (I would have to look at the numbers again) but their endowment is similar to SDSU. #LIFESUCCESS
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Post by jackjd on Nov 21, 2014 10:18:00 GMT -6
Not sure, let me go ask all of our doctors, lawyers, & businessmen Okay, you caused me to laugh on that one. Did it occur to you that SDSU may be sending more students to post-grad degrees as MDs, JDs, MBAs etc....and most do not go to USD. Do you know how many students at the South Dakota School of Medicine, the SD School of Law, and in your grad programs in business come from SDSU (and other undergraduate schools for that matter)? A better question to ask "all your doctors, lawyers & businessmen" is 'how about increasing your support of USD athletics?' Looking forward to tomorrow's game. It has the potential to be a very exciting contest. SDSU is in a must-win situation just to have a hope of consideration for the playoffs. USD can act as the big spoiler and there's no question that if USD wins, there's going to be a lot of disappointment spreading around. Both teams have been hit hard by injuries ... I hope there are no more injuries for either team.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Nov 21, 2014 10:36:25 GMT -6
Not sure, let me go ask all of our doctors, lawyers, & businessmen Looking forward to tomorrow's game. It has the potential to be a very exciting contest. SDSU is in a must-win situation just to have a hope of consideration for the playoffs. USD can act as the big spoiler and there's no question that if USD wins, there's going to be a lot of disappointment spreading around. Both teams have been hit hard by injuries ... I hope there are no more injuries for either team. Well said. I don't have a lot of hope for the game, but the USD players should still feel like they have something to play for. SDSU should certainly be motivated.
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Post by ctc2010 on Nov 21, 2014 11:53:04 GMT -6
Not sure, let me go ask all of our doctors, lawyers, & businessmen Okay, you caused me to laugh on that one. Did it occur to you that SDSU may be sending more students to post-grad degrees as MDs, JDs, MBAs etc....and most do not go to USD. How exactly does this help your point?
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Nov 21, 2014 12:07:55 GMT -6
Jackjd said: Do you know how many students at the South Dakota School of Medicine, the SD School of Law, and in your grad programs in business come from SDSU (and other undergraduate schools for that matter)?
Exactly, they know where to go.
"You can go anywhere from here, but you'll probably end up going to USD to get a real degree after SDSU."
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Post by jackjd on Nov 21, 2014 14:22:43 GMT -6
Jackjd said: Do you know how many students at the South Dakota School of Medicine, the SD School of Law, and in your grad programs in business come from SDSU (and other undergraduate schools for that matter)? Exactly, they know where to go.... I suppose it is a waste of time to occasionally inject serious subject-matter into a message board. Everyone (me too) is tryng to be cute with short, biting remarks they perceive are funny. But this topic: where SDSU students go for a degree in Medicine (follow, for example, our running back Zach Zenner -- he's planning on going to med school), is interesting and a serious topic. The question I posed was a serious one and was only the first in a series of questions that may take you down a path that will cause you to wonder what USD could do to attract top notch students who seem to be avoiding the place. Suggestion: find out what the law school administration is doing in making connections with SDSU.
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Post by jackjd on Nov 21, 2014 14:29:17 GMT -6
Okay, you caused me to laugh on that one. Did it occur to you that SDSU may be sending more students to post-grad degrees as MDs, JDs, MBAs etc....and most do not go to USD. How exactly does this help your point? My statement was a joke: 'what flavor of ice cream did USD invent?' You responded by stating you'd ask the USD doctors, lawyers and MBAs, implying that while SDSU had dairy science (one of the very best in the country) and made ice cream, USD was turning out doctors and lawyers and MBAs, implying SDSU was not. You have a severe lack of knowledge of facts. But, I know: who ever let facts get in the way of any fan message board.
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Post by yote14 on Nov 21, 2014 15:09:06 GMT -6
Jackjd said: Do you know how many students at the South Dakota School of Medicine, the SD School of Law, and in your grad programs in business come from SDSU (and other undergraduate schools for that matter)? Exactly, they know where to go.... I suppose it is a waste of time to occasionally inject serious subject-matter into a message board. Everyone (me too) is tryng to be cute with short, biting remarks they perceive are funny. But this topic: where SDSU students go for a degree in Medicine (follow, for example, our running back Zach Zenner -- he's planning on going to med school), is interesting and a serious topic. The question I posed was a serious one and was only the first in a series of questions that may take you down a path that will cause you to wonder what USD could do to attract top notch students who seem to be avoiding the place. Suggestion: find out what the law school administration is doing in making connections with SDSU. jackjd.............What USD could do to attract top notch students who seem to be avoiding the place. Let me hit you with some facts partner. SDSU's admission requirements ACT 18 or higher SAT 870 or higher GPA 2.6 or higher Transfer students need a GPA of 2.0 or higher USD's admission requirements ACT 21 or higher SAT 990 or higher GPA 2.6 or higher Transfer students need a GPA of 3.0 or higher We have the top notch students already. SDSU will accept any random Tom, Dick, or Farmer not smart enough to go anywhere else simply to have a large undergrad population because they do not have any graduate programs that are worth a shit. If you do not go there for Engeneering, Pharmac or Nurseing what do you do? They could care less about the quality of that garbage degree they will pick up. I know 2 people that failed out of the business school in Vermillion while I was there and they both went to Brookings to their joke of a made up agribusiness degree or maybe it was entrepreneur degree and were a B student when they graduated from there and constantly make jokes about how easy the program was. We have top notch students already. Thats why our business program consistanly scores very high in the exit exams. My final year there we were in the top 5% in the nation. You are crazy. What can they do to get top notch students to USD. Why dont you talk to State about getting some acceptance standards other than "Did you pay the $20 fee? Yes.......Welcome to State".
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Post by dakotadump on Nov 21, 2014 18:04:10 GMT -6
I suppose it is a waste of time to occasionally inject serious subject-matter into a message board. Everyone (me too) is tryng to be cute with short, biting remarks they perceive are funny. But this topic: where SDSU students go for a degree in Medicine (follow, for example, our running back Zach Zenner -- he's planning on going to med school), is interesting and a serious topic. The question I posed was a serious one and was only the first in a series of questions that may take you down a path that will cause you to wonder what USD could do to attract top notch students who seem to be avoiding the place. Suggestion: find out what the law school administration is doing in making connections with SDSU. jackjd.............What USD could do to attract top notch students who seem to be avoiding the place. Let me hit you with some facts partner. SDSU's admission requirements ACT 18 or higher SAT 870 or higher GPA 2.6 or higher Transfer students need a GPA of 2.0 or higher USD's admission requirements ACT 21 or higher SAT 990 or higher GPA 2.6 or higher Transfer students need a GPA of 3.0 or higher We have the top notch students already. SDSU will accept any random Tom, Dick, or Farmer not smart enough to go anywhere else simply to have a large undergrad population because they do not have any graduate programs that are worth a shit. If you do not go there for Engeneering, Pharmac or Nurseing what do you do? They could care less about the quality of that garbage degree they will pick up. I know 2 people that failed out of the business school in Vermillion while I was there and they both went to Brookings to their joke of a made up agribusiness degree or maybe it was entrepreneur degree and were a B student when they graduated from there and constantly make jokes about how easy the program was. We have top notch students already. Thats why our business program consistanly scores very high in the exit exams. My final year there we were in the top 5% in the nation. You are crazy. What can they do to get top notch students to USD. Why dont you talk to State about getting some acceptance standards other than "Did you pay the $20 fee? Yes.......Welcome to State". Yote14 you left out some facts my little friend. Facts are those things that prove your point. Don't fret, I will share them with the rest of the board. Taken straight from each schools website: usd's Admission Requirements: Achieve an ACT composite score of 21 or above (SAT 990) OR Earn a grade point average of at least 2.6 (4.0 scale) in all high school courses OR Rank in the upper 50% of your high school graduating classSDSU's Admission Requirements ACT composite score of 18 or higher (SAT of 879 or higher) OR A high school cumulative GPA of 2.6 or higher OR A ranking in the top 60 percent of the class Yes, one possible way usd students can get accepted is to have an ACT score of 21 or above compared to an 18 for SDSU. Well lets say some John, Dick, or greasy politician receives a score of 18 and wants to apply at usd (his parents must have gone to school there). Well he can still be accepted if he is in the top 50% of his class compared to 60% for SDSU. Neither schools requirements are very difficult but claiming usd's requirements are so much tougher than SDSU's is a flat out lie. Also, I had two acquaintances fail out of class at SDSU. They then enrolled at usd and aced all their classes while obtaining their Theatre degree I think it was. What made it worse is how they joked about how slack it was... It got so annoying!!!!!!! Anybody can play this game.
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Post by GoYotes on Nov 21, 2014 18:56:40 GMT -6
I am not a moderator of this forum, but I believe the personal attacks contained in most the posts by DakotaDump cross the line and would urge the moderators to suspend his or her privileges.
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Post by yote14 on Nov 21, 2014 19:17:57 GMT -6
You're right dakotadump. USD created the requirements of accepting students with a minimum of a 21 ACT, 990 SAT, 2.6 GPA all for show so when really they accept everyone on the fact that they were in the top 50% of their HS class.
The acceptance standards are there for a reason. If the acceptance standards are not that hard then why does state not up theirs? I dare you to find lower acceptance standards for a university than SDSU's.
Also your "Good Will Hunting" slam is horrible. It wasn't even funny in the 90's. You fit the mold of an typical SDSU dork exactly. The fact that you are trying to argue that USD's acceptance standards are not more difficult shows you got a degree from SDSU in the first place.
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Post by jackjd on Nov 21, 2014 19:22:18 GMT -6
Yote14. Wrong again. You didn't bother to do a little research on the profiles of students actually enrolling at SDSU and USD. With respect to admission standards, those have been posted in this thread. USD and SD Tech have posted more stringent admission requirements and you know what, they should. But printed admission standards are one thing, its another thing to review the numbers of students with high ACTs and SATs enrolling at SDSU and USD. If you'd bother to do a little research, you'd learn that SDSU had significantly higher numbers enrolling students who have 24 and greater ACTs than USD. So what's your point in bringing that up? There are posters on this board that are familiar with those numbers. SDSU, as one of the nation's land-grant universities, has some different goals than the other schools in South Dakota. We've been able to stay true to those goals while at the same time increasing the academic profiles of the enrolling students. And you're going to tell us about two student you knew who had difficulty at USD and did well at SDSU? (Shame on you: That's a favorite claim by Augustana students thrown at both SDSU and USD and it's pure B.S. Another Augie-ism: An A at SDSU or USD is only a B at Augie. Idiots!) Well listen, buddy, I have degrees from both schools. I met top-notch people at both schools. I saw people flunk out of both schools and transfer to the other school and do well. Nice fourth-grade argument. You can do better. Added: The enrollment stats are easily researched. Start with the Board of Regents website. Go to page 20 of the 2014 "Factbook" and you will find information about how many students enrolled at SDSU and USD having ACT scores in the 28-36 range (SDSU 121, USD 105); 24-27 (SDSU 426, USD 226); 21-23 (SDSU 301, USD 207). Here, I'll make it easy for you: www.sdbor.edu/mediapubs/factbook/documents/FY14Factbook.pdfMeanwhile, I have the UND at SDSU men's basketball game on WNAX...we're getting the snot kicked out of us. UND is picked 9th in the Big Sky. You wanna make fun of SDSU basketball? I got nothin'. Hoping for a big turnaround as the season progresses.
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Post by dakotadump on Nov 21, 2014 19:54:35 GMT -6
I am not a moderator of this forum, but I believe the personal attacks contained in most the posts by DakotaDump cross the line and would urge the moderators to suspend his or her privileges. Well I'm glad you are not a moderator. Please go through all of my eleven posts and list my personal attacks. Thanks.
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