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Post by Yotes on Jun 7, 2013 15:32:53 GMT -6
www.goyotes.com/genrel/060713aab.htmlDoes anyone else not like this move? I just don't feel like there is much to benefit from giving up our home game against Wyoming and playing it almost 400 miles away. Chasing the Rapid City market doesn't seem like a very good venture. It's just too far away from small time D-1 basketball, there will be minimal interest from the community. Keeping this game at home and possibly chalking up another W against Wyoming would be better for the program than playing in front of a small crowd 6 hours away that will likely have more Wyoming fans than USD fans. Sioux Falls would be a much better choice if we are going to be doing this, but I feel our venture in football proves that it's probably not worth it. Do whatever we can to get wins and shine up our program, then possibly take it on the road.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Jun 7, 2013 16:33:26 GMT -6
I agree this is a bad idea. Generally with these types of games one of the selling points is to get some of those fans to attend USD games in Vermillion. With Sioux Falls it's possible, with Rapid City not so much. I agree that giving Wyoming a neutral court or better seems counter productive. Why do this against Wyoming if the point is to energize the USD fan base. It's not our job to energize the Wyoming fan base in Rapid City which will happen as much as USD's fan base being energized. It doesn't seem as if USD has a very good following in Rapid anyway.
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Post by yotefan on Jun 8, 2013 8:06:27 GMT -6
I have to disagree with you guys on this one. Rapid City is home to a large number of USD alumni and I have already heard from three Coyote friends in Pierre who are planning on driving out for this game. Giving up a home game in basketball is not like giving up a home game in football. In talking with AD staff the golf outing the other day in Rapid set a record for participation and looks to only grow larger next year. Also, the Howling Pack just set a record for dollars donated in one month and looks to have the chance to do it again soon. Lots of those contributions are starting to come from Coyote fans west river. We have some talented folks working for USD right now and I think this decision was the right call. Add in the fact that we have South Dakota's first Division 1 National Champion to brag about and it is a great day to be a Coyote!
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Post by sdyotefan on Jun 8, 2013 9:08:47 GMT -6
It is great news that the Yotes will play basketball here in Rapid City!! The U is for ALL of SD not just the Vermillion/SF area. I invite all Coyote fans to make the trip to Rapid City and the Black Hills! Great time to ski, snowmobile, go to Deadwood, etc and watch the Yotes notch two wins!! See ya all in RC in Dec!
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Post by 59coyote on Jun 8, 2013 9:19:40 GMT -6
Right on Yotefan and sdyotefan! This is the right thing to do. We have some momentum going now and we need to keep it rolling!"Go Yotes"
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Post by gmandakota on Jun 8, 2013 9:35:33 GMT -6
SDSU and USD playing in Sioux Falls is probably not an option since the Summit League Tournament is held in Sioux Falls. The rest of the league already knows there is a huge advantage to the Dakota schools due to the proximity. That advantage would increase if the Dakota Schools played in the Arena. It would probably not sit well with the rest of the Summit League.
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Post by canislatrans on Jun 8, 2013 10:32:20 GMT -6
I agree with Yotefan.
Bringing the Yotes to the people will help build the brand. This choice was a good one in that it was BB and it was a non-conference foe. Plus it sounds like there is an alumni base ready to support the game.
Big picture is the goal of having sold out games in Vermillion. With competition for entertainment, getting to capacity crowds is a matter of numbers, for example, what ratio of the population will attend a given Yotes game. Unless, the Vermillion/Yankton population have become rabid Coyotes fans, I don't think you are going to get there on an every game basis without drawing a regular crowd from outside the immediate Vermillion community. I wonder what percentage of Twins fans on weekend games come from outside a 100-mile radius of the Twin Cities? I'll bet that whatever % it is, that it's also fairly consistent.
I am also very confident that David Herbster and staff know which metrics are key in developing Yotes athletics, and I'm sure they have a plan with this venture, and those still to come. Good news about the donations, good year of progress, first Summit League title, 1st National Champion, upper division results for a few programs, and all in our first year of eligibility, it's going to be a lot of fun for Yotes fans n the coming years!
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Jun 9, 2013 1:22:15 GMT -6
This is great news. We are the U of SD, not the U of East SD. Rapid has a stronger USD populous than people realize.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 7:18:08 GMT -6
To build a state wide following, you have to do these kinds of events. Most of you get that, and that's progress. Others are looking out for their own selfish interests. Numbers guy does not get it, but should I be surprised?
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Post by yoteforever on Jun 10, 2013 7:43:39 GMT -6
There is a stark difference between this deal than the football debacle we had in Sioux Falls last year. Rapid City is indeed part of the state and we need to remember that we are THEE UNIVERSITY of South Dakota. That means we cater to the needs and wishes of all the citizens as best as we can. We are not like any other state that I can think of where the 2 state (larger) schools are on one side of the state, and there is a decent population base that is unserved on the other.
Can you build an argument that we "lost" a home game? I think you can. However, it again is important that you at minimum appear to be trying to cater to U fans in west river. The only possible mistake maybe (and I emphasize maybe) is that the game is against Wyoming. Does that in reality make it a home game for the Cowboys? Gym familiarity in basketball is important and that will not be an arena where we are comfortable. My preference would have been to play so done like UNC or a Utah school, one that would give us home court and saved so e travel bucks for the team we are playing.
In the end, I think it's a great move. Congrats for having the guts to do it.
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Post by Yote 53 on Jun 10, 2013 9:05:22 GMT -6
Do not have a problem with moving basketball games to spark interest and to Spread the Red throughout the state since there are more games in the season. Lots of basketball programs play games at neutral sites and in tournaments so this is not uncommon. Also, these are non-conference games. USD isn't getting an at-large bid to the Dance. While every game is important I could make a case that these games are only a half step greater than exhibitions. College basketball being the way it is, the only games that matter are conference games and, more importantly, winning the conference tournament.
In contrast, the Sioux Falls experiment in football last year is nothing like this. Not only are football games limited and home football games a precious commodity,but in FCS football there is also a chance for an at-large tournament bid. It was a conference game, and not only a conference game but one against a football power within easy driving distance that is well known for bringing half the state of ND on the road with them. A recipe for a disaster, which it was.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 9:29:15 GMT -6
Do not have a problem with moving basketball games to spark interest and to Spread the Red throughout the state since there are more games in the season. Lots of basketball programs play games at neutral sites and in tournaments so this is not uncommon. Also, these are non-conference games. USD isn't getting an at-large bid to the Dance. While every game is important I could make a case that these games are only a half step greater than exhibitions. College basketball being the way it is, the only games that matter are conference games and, more importantly, winning the conference tournament. In contrast, the Sioux Falls experiment in football last year is nothing like this. Not only are football games limited and home football games a precious commodity,but in FCS football there is also a chance for an at-large tournament bid. It was a conference game, and not only a conference game but one against a football power within easy driving distance that is well known for bringing half the state of ND on the road with them. A recipe for a disaster, which it was. Good karma awarded for this post. |
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Jun 10, 2013 16:48:19 GMT -6
Do not have a problem with moving basketball games to spark interest and to Spread the Red throughout the state since there are more games in the season. Lots of basketball programs play games at neutral sites and in tournaments so this is not uncommon. Also, these are non-conference games. USD isn't getting an at-large bid to the Dance. While every game is important I could make a case that these games are only a half step greater than exhibitions. College basketball being the way it is, the only games that matter are conference games and, more importantly, winning the conference tournament. In contrast, the Sioux Falls experiment in football last year is nothing like this. Not only are football games limited and home football games a precious commodity,but in FCS football there is also a chance for an at-large tournament bid. It was a conference game, and not only a conference game but one against a football power within easy driving distance that is well known for bringing half the state of ND on the road with them. A recipe for a disaster, which it was. Although I liked the SF game, I totally agree with this post. |
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Post by 91jack on Jun 11, 2013 9:14:20 GMT -6
SDSU and USD playing in Sioux Falls is probably not an option since the Summit League Tournament is held in Sioux Falls. The rest of the league already knows there is a huge advantage to the Dakota schools due to the proximity. That advantage would increase if the Dakota Schools played in the Arena. It would probably not sit well with the rest of the Summit League. I think USD and SDSU are allowed 2 games on the home floor of the conference tournament. You are right though that other teams won't like it. They don't like it being in SF every year already so this could just fuel the fire. I think that it's too bad that this didn't happen in Louie's last year. I think Kansas (or somebody like that) played NDSU in North Dakota because they recruited a kid from there about 6 years ago. That is rare but it might have been a recruiting tool to get the kid to play there. The only other slight disagreement I have with this plan is it would be better over Christmas break. That way the students would be gone and the game might be taken closer to where some of the students are at. I think SDSU has more west river students(ag college) but I'm sure USD has more than their fair share. I like the idea overall. It might help get extra fans there playing Wyoming for the mens game. If the women played them and the men played the School of Mines it might have been 2 easier wins but this should bring lots of fans and be a really good game. That's just a guess! |
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Post by canislatrans on Jun 11, 2013 10:08:31 GMT -6
As for Sioux Falls, I think the mistake was it was a conference game, in a year with only 5 home games scheduled.
I'm not opposed to doing another FB game in Sioux Falls, but it needs to be in a year with 6 home games, and a non-conference game, IMHO.
I think it is vital to establish some Sioux Falls support, even if it takes time. Don't sacrifice the team's chances in conference play, and keep a minimum of 5 home games for the Vermillion faithful.
I liked the spring practice sessions in Sioux City and Sioux Falls, and perhaps they can swing a Rapid City session, in the future. Anything to build on the excitement brewing with THEE University of South Dakota!
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