NORTHERN AZ vs USD

[Coyote Fan]

Getting a life for a 2-12 record is certainly not blindly following a program that is floundering. People that need to get a life are those that continue to support a failing product. For those that think the Coyotes played well are people that accept losing, period. I just want to know when the losing will end and I don't think that is being unfair. I believe last time I called for a firing I was 100% on target for being correct. I am not absolutely calling for the firing of Joe Glenn but the seat under his ass better start getting much hotter.

I like the give it time people as well. Isn't 17 consecutive road losses time enough. I would simply like to know when the time to win is NOW and not next week, next year or whatever.

[yoteforever]

I just got home from Flagstaff and as you already know, this was a tale of two halves. I've never seen a Coyote team perform as poorly as they did offensively as they did tonight. Then came the turnaround. It's to early to say this but I'm going to give you something to think about. After watching them play in that environment, and playi g the 2nd half as they did, I could build an argument that says the Coyotes found themselves tonight in the 2nd half, and that things are going to start coming together. By that I mean I could see them getting 2-3 more wins this year, yet competing in most games. I said that at he start of the season if we won 4 games we were moving in the right direction . I had been a little disalluioned earlier, but I saw something tonight that may indicate they are ready to compete. They are young but that defense plays like champions. I think we're close.

If you could see how disappointed they were, yet still confident, you would understand what I mean.

As far as Coyotefan, while everyone has an opinion , hiis heart is in the right place, but he doesn't get ( or see ) the whole picture.

[sschneek]

To coyotefan: Your comments seem to be going to deaf ears...In what you say there is a truth but the People in Power are trying to prove a point, They have chosen JVM and the OC to head things up on offense and even if they are failing there will be no changes because losing for them is not as bad as admitting a mistake has been made...We watched last year and now the first 3 games of 2013 and clearly see the mistake. Maybe you do need to Chill out like someone posted maybe try and focus on the other side of the ball...Our defense seems to be looking well most of the time and we did make some big plays and came up with some turnovers to put the ball back in JVM hands...We also had a play when JVM 's helmet came off and we got to see Earl..that was cool..to bad he didn't pass, guess that was play calling. #13 had some awesome catches..that was great..#15 had some nice catches too, that would be awesome to see them get the ball more...But like last year we had will powell and never gave hime the ball either. I think you should just focus on the positive...I see that yoteforever has some positive comments on JVM maybe you and him can sit together next game because he must be watching the game from a different area..

[obc]

I was not at the game - watched on the NAU-TV link which was fantastic btw. I will definitely tune in next week to watch NAU take on Montana.

From just watching the game once on TV - here is what I saw and some opinions:

Offense

We saw our OL struggle at the point of attack more than the first two games. Getting some holding penalties makes me think our OL was really struggling with their DL's athleticism.

WR- we got spoiled the last several years. Powell was an all star and USD seemed to have speed on the perimeter - think Jeremy Blount. Not having that allows a defense to feel a little safer clamping down on the run. Nick Meyer stepped up with three big catches and should be a starter next week against W Illinois.

Our style of running is really a midline veer. NAU was scheming to take away the dive option. As many of you know the option is designed to give you a numbers advantage at the point of attack. You have a player that acts as "the read" and remains unblocked. I believe ( just a guess) that NAU went into the game telling their DE (the read player) to come up field and try and contain JVM. By doing that JVM's read is to give to the RB. As we stated earlier NAU was also committed to stopping the dive.

The proper adjustment for a veer team when a team does this (keep in mind that what NAU did is not novel) would have been for USD to do play action, and quick passes. Then when the safeties are flying up like that to stop the option, they can be burned. In the first half there were receivers that slipped behind their defense. The problem became one of three things when USD tried to throw - no protection, batted down pass, or just inaccurate throw. The other adjustment when you have a speedster and athlete like JVM is to have him keep the ball and run even when his read is to give.

Notice that in the second half JVM started pulling the ball on the option and attacking the perimeter regardless of the read the DE end was giving him. Once he started doing that USD moved the ball. It opened everything up. All of a sudden it forced NAU to stop over committing to stop the dive and low and behold our run up the middle opened up. It even opened up our passing game.
The option is a system and just like any system comes with growing pains. My guess is that JVM and Wesley learned a lot this week about how to make adjustments when a defense takes away one of your options.

Defense

I am shocked by the improvement on defense. These guys are playing at a very high level and that will give us a shot. Very impressive. If USD had played defense like they have the last two years at NAU - it would have been a blowout. Allowing two TDs and a FG on NAU's home field (I will take it and like our chances of winning, if we could play offense....)

Special Teams

Coverage was better on punt and KO for the most part.
The NAU punter will be an NFL punter. The best I have seen in college.
USD's snaps were still a little low on punt. Didn't look like NAU went after any to block - that is still a major concern.



On to W Illinois. I think USD is going to run for over 300 yards that game and end the road losing streak.

[14lbenson]

6 points...to the 22nd ranked team. We have a lot of wins coming if we play like that...especially on their field.

[azsod73]

.......woulda....coulda.....shoulda.......

All in all, more upside than downside. NAU is a decent team, they are coming off an 8-3 season, return 9 guys each on offense and defense, and 14 all conference Big Sky performers. Also, the head coach has been with them 15 years. Their RB, Bauman, is very good, and as obc stated, their guy doing the kicking is great. Could we beat them at USD, I think so.

First, kudos to our defense. They played a good game and gave their all. Very proud of their effort.

Offense was completely throttled in the first half. Biggest complaint is the obvious lack of timely adjustments. When you keep running the same plays against the same defensive schemes, with no results, you need to change your play calling, sooner-than-later. The half time adjustments were positive. JVM has the potential to be good with appropriate play calls, and execution by the O line and his receivers.

Special temas played much better.

Lots of contributions by young players. I was watching the game on NAU TV (muted), and listening to the radio, and thought I heard that freshman Sam McLeran subbed for an injured Cody O'Neill, but the participation report does not include his name. If I heard it right, and the announcers called it right, he would be the 9th true freshman playing so far this year. BTW, I thought former Yote, and Vermillion High School coach, Gary Culver, did a nice job with the color.

Let's clean things up and get that road win next week - GO YOTES!

[yoteforever]

Sept 22, 2013 5:09:38 GMT -6 sschneek said:

To coyotefan: Your comments seem to be going to deaf ears...In what you say there is a truth but the People in Power are trying to prove a point, They have chosen JVM and the OC to head things up on offense and even if they are failing there will be no changes because losing for them is not as bad as admitting a mistake has been made...We watched last year and now the first 3 games of 2013 and clearly see the mistake. Maybe you do need to Chill out like someone posted maybe try and focus on the other side of the ball...Our defense seems to be looking well most of the time and we did make some big plays and came up with some turnovers to put the ball back in JVM hands...We also had a play when JVM 's helmet came off and we got to see Earl..that was cool..to bad he didn't pass, guess that was play calling. #13 had some awesome catches..that was great..#15 had some nice catches too, that would be awesome to see them get the ball more...But like last year we had will powell and never gave hime the ball either. I think you should just focus on the positive...I see that yoteforever has some positive comments on JVM maybe you and him can sit together next game because he must be watching the game from a different area..

I will respect your post but certainly don't agree with it, and I would like some clarification on a few comments you made. The first was the People of Power. Are you referring to the administration, or are you referring to boosters such as myself that you feel have influence on these types of decisions? If its the latter, all I can say is you either have to be joking or you have no clue as to how this works. To say a fan/booster has chosen JVM to QB or Wesley to be the OC and used their influence to have Coach Glenn come to the same decision is asinine. One person decodes who is the OC, and that's the HC. Period. And who decides who the QB is I'm sure is the choice of the OC with input from the HC.

Next you say losing is more acceptable than admitting you made a mistake. I'm not even sure how to address such a dumb ass comment, so I'll let this comment alone answer it for you. No one wants to lose. As I said after the game in my post, I can't say with certainty that we have turned the corner, but after last nights game, I can build an argument that MAYBE we have. We stunk the first half. Period. Then we come out and drive the ball in the opening drive of the 2nd half until JVM turns it over. That was unfortunate as hell, but if you look the replay or noticed it from the real time coverage, he had an legible man in front of him he was attempting to get the ball to anyway he could. It looks like he sorta panicked, but I don't know if the defensive guy had him in such a way, I don't know, but the damned kid was trying to make something happen to continue the drive. I was frustrated myself but it was third and whatever and I'm not certain we were in 4 down territory. I will not ever fault an athlete for trying their best to make something happen. Good athletes do just that.all the time, try to make plays happen. At least the kid had the guts to try. Now, have I been frustrated with his play the past two years? Of course. Anybody that watches us play would be. But is there an alternative? I don't know, I'm not paid to make that decision. Last year at Indiana State Earle had some success throwing, no question about it. The game was over at hat point, but nonetheless he did move the ball. However, if you were in Brookings, he threw either 2 or 3 interceptions, and the offense struggled worse. Neither you or me are paid to make those decisions.

Next you claim I have made positive comments on JVM. Please point those out to me. You have said I did it, so show me. Is JVM a great young man? You better believe it. Any dad would be proud to have him as his son in law. Have I endorsed or applauded the results, no I haven't, because I share many of the same frustrations you all do. But the fact just might be he really does give us our best chance to win. Regarding Wesley, if we start winning, putting up plausible numbers, you'll sing his praises. You might be right if you accused me of not wanting to fire Wesley, or relieve him of duties, because I will say the same thing about him as I did JVM. He is as fine of a young man as there is. He played for, and represented USD so well in his playing days, and continues to do so now. I'm not the kind of person that throws someone like that under the bus. Until Coach Glenn says different, or Wesley himself resigns, I will back this young man. Have you considered that maybe, just maybe we do t have the personal to do all the great things you have in mind? I agree with everyone's comment about last year getting Will Powell the ball. But he was doubled every down, and our line just didn't provide alot of time to throw. And yes, the were times JVM missed passes. I'm certain God will condemn him for eternity for that.

Lastly, making the comments about sitting with me at the game because I must see it from a different perspective, I have one extra ticket for each game, and I would invite you or Coyotefan to join me and we can discuss stuff as it happens. Perhaps then you will see I get as frustrated as you do, and that my hopes sometimes gets squashed because of the results of the game, but at the end of the game, I'm still a Coyote fan. I bleed red. Perhaps we could educate each other and help each other become better fans than we currently are. The offer is there. Rebuttal is not only welcome, but encouraged.

Next weeks game I think will tell the tale. If we win at Western Illinois, we have a shot at a few more wins. We are not yet good enough to proclaim a stake for title contention,but we are getting closer I think. However, if we tank it, and also tank on D Days, then my prediction of j4 wins isn't likely to happen. I'm a realist, we aren't title contenders yet. But I do think we have made strides. Keep in mind just how many freshman ( redshirt or or actual) are playing. Our defense is pretty salty, that will win a lot of games. At minimum keep us in games like last night.

If you want to Join me for a game, just send me a PM. I look forward to it.

[pack12]

In my opinion Kevin Earl has not had a fair shot to show everyone what he can do. You cannot base it off of the Indiana St. game and the SDSU game last year. Both times he was brought in when the game was pretty much out of reach. I would like to see him get a chance early in a game before we are way behind to see what his performance could be then we could put this issue to rest either way. I still think JVM is one of the best overall athletes on the team and that is why in my opinion he should be out there in a WR position. Defenses would respect our offense a lot more and maybe take 8 out of the box once in a while, which would open up the run game for our RB's a little more.

[obc]

Sept 22, 2013 14:12:40 GMT -6 pack12 said:

In my opinion Kevin Earl has not had a fair shot to show everyone what he can do. You cannot base it off of the Indiana St. game and the SDSU game last year. Both times he was brought in when the game was pretty much out of reach. I would like to see him get a chance early in a game before we are way behind to see what his performance could be then we could put this issue to rest either way. I still think JVM is one of the best overall athletes on the team and that is why in my opinion he should be out there in a WR position. Defenses would respect our offense a lot more and maybe take 8 out of the box once in a while, which would open up the run game for our RB's a little more.

I understand wanting to see what another QB can do, and also realize that some kids are gamers and what they show in practice is nothing compared to their game day performance. Even though that can be true, Earl has been given two Springs and two Falls under Glenn to earn the job. There is no QB controversy. Earl has made progress but the report from practice is that he is very inconsistent. JVM is also inconsistent throwing, but has a definite advantage on runs.
There seems to be a misconception out there regarding Glenn as being "married" to his decision to stick with JVM. Glenn has not hesitated to replace upperclassman with younger players that showed at practice they deserve it. Just look at last year's two deep compared to this year. Glenn wants the best players that can help the team win on the field, period.

[golfingyote]

For starters, coyotefan is clearly an idiot. Joe Glenn has one full recruiting class on campus, and those players are true freshmen. Further, anyone who has ever spoken with Joe or listened to the way his players talk about the culture change that is taking place, you would understand that Joe is having a positive impact on the program and is an amazing recruiter. It will not be an overnight change. Look at the amount of Freshmen,(RS) Freshmen, and true sophomores we have either playing or on the 2-deep. Criticize the current product all you want, but give the guy time to build the program up the right way. USD will be a playoff contender in the valley in 2-3 years.

The current product however is not the greatest to watch right now. Facts are facts. If you cannot throw the ball at this level, you are going to have a hard time winning games. NAU stacked 9 guys in the box at times....on 3rd and long even. Teams do not respect JVM's arm, and until he proves he can throw, teams will take away the run game. Personally, I understand the coaching staff is high on JVM and his dual threat skill set. However, I would like to see what Earl can do as a drop back passer. If it takes a 2 QB system to see it, so be it. That's just more looks opposing defenses have to practice for.

[Coyote Fan]

Sept 23, 2013 9:20:08 GMT -6 golfingyote said:

For starters, coyotefan is clearly an idiot. Joe Glenn has one full recruiting class on campus, and those players are true freshmen. Further, anyone who has ever spoken with Joe or listened to the way his players talk about the culture change that is taking place, you would understand that Joe is having a positive impact on the program and is an amazing recruiter. It will not be an overnight change. Look at the amount of Freshmen,(RS) Freshmen, and true sophomores we have either playing or on the 2-deep. Criticize the current product all you want, but give the guy time to build the program up the right way. USD will be a playoff contender in the valley in 2-3 years.

The current product however is not the greatest to watch right now. Facts are facts. If you cannot throw the ball at this level, you are going to have a hard time winning games. NAU stacked 9 guys in the box at times....on 3rd and long even. Teams do not respect JVM's arm, and until he proves he can throw, teams will take away the run game. Personally, I understand the coaching staff is high on JVM and his dual threat skill set. However, I would like to see what Earl can do as a drop back passer. If it takes a 2 QB system to see it, so be it. That's just more looks opposing defenses have to practice for.

What exactly is the dual threat of JVM. Certainly one of those threats is not his arm. As your handle says, you clearly need to stick to golf. This program is not close to anything but another long season. The Yotes haven't even gotten to the meat of the schedule where they will run into teams with better offenses that what we have seen. Arguably none of the three teams that USD have played is very proficient on offense. This program needed a different OC and a different QB in the off-season and neither happened and that is not even mentioning special teams. Those factors alone makes we wonder whether the game has passed Glenn by. I certainly want to be proven wrong but so far nothing about this team makes me believe we are on the verge of really having a winner which is what Joe was expected to bring, and yes 1 year and 3 games should be enough time to start seeing tangible results on the field.

[Yotes]

Sept 23, 2013 15:34:55 GMT -6 Coyote Fan said:

Sept 23, 2013 9:20:08 GMT -6 golfingyote said:

For starters, coyotefan is clearly an idiot. Joe Glenn has one full recruiting class on campus, and those players are true freshmen. Further, anyone who has ever spoken with Joe or listened to the way his players talk about the culture change that is taking place, you would understand that Joe is having a positive impact on the program and is an amazing recruiter. It will not be an overnight change. Look at the amount of Freshmen,(RS) Freshmen, and true sophomores we have either playing or on the 2-deep. Criticize the current product all you want, but give the guy time to build the program up the right way. USD will be a playoff contender in the valley in 2-3 years.

The current product however is not the greatest to watch right now. Facts are facts. If you cannot throw the ball at this level, you are going to have a hard time winning games. NAU stacked 9 guys in the box at times....on 3rd and long even. Teams do not respect JVM's arm, and until he proves he can throw, teams will take away the run game. Personally, I understand the coaching staff is high on JVM and his dual threat skill set. However, I would like to see what Earl can do as a drop back passer. If it takes a 2 QB system to see it, so be it. That's just more looks opposing defenses have to practice for.

What exactly is the dual threat of JVM. Certainly one of those threats is not his arm. As your handle says, you clearly need to stick to golf. This program is not close to anything but another long season. The Yotes haven't even gotten to the meat of the schedule where they will run into teams with better offenses that what we have seen. Arguably none of the three teams that USD have played is very proficient on offense. This program needed a different OC and a different QB in the off-season and neither happened and that is not even mentioning special teams. Those factors alone makes we wonder whether the game has passed Glenn by. I certainly want to be proven wrong but so far nothing about this team makes me believe we are on the verge of really having a winner which is what Joe was expected to bring, and yes 1 year and 3 games should be enough time to start seeing tangible results on the field.

He's playing a bunch of freshmen, and leftovers from teams that couldn't even take the former Great West, and you're expecting a highly competitive team in the MVC. Get real.

Once Glenn brings in at least a few of his own full recruiting classes can you begin to say it is a failed venture. I think Beschorner has shown in the past that he knows how to run an offense, given the tools. The only tools we have right now seem to be a pair of freshmen running backs who are poised to do some great things, if complemented by a passing attack. JVM may not be the right man for the job, but I doubt we have anyone better waiting in the wings, so stand by him until Glenn finds his own QB.

[notkiotees]

Sept 23, 2013 9:20:08 GMT -6 golfingyote said:

For starters, coyotefan is clearly an idiot. Joe Glenn has one full recruiting class on campus, and those players are true freshmen. Further, anyone who has ever spoken with Joe or listened to the way his players talk about the culture change that is taking place, you would understand that Joe is having a positive impact on the program and is an amazing recruiter. It will not be an overnight change. Look at the amount of Freshmen,(RS) Freshmen, and true sophomores we have either playing or on the 2-deep. Criticize the current product all you want, but give the guy time to build the program up the right way. USD will be a playoff contender in the valley in 2-3 years.

The current product however is not the greatest to watch right now. Facts are facts. If you cannot throw the ball at this level, you are going to have a hard time winning games. NAU stacked 9 guys in the box at times....on 3rd and long even. Teams do not respect JVM's arm, and until he proves he can throw, teams will take away the run game. Personally, I understand the coaching staff is high on JVM and his dual threat skill set. However, I would like to see what Earl can do as a drop back passer. If it takes a 2 QB system to see it, so be it. That's just more looks opposing defenses have to practice for.

Good post, you had me at "coyotefan is clearly an idiot."

[Yote 53]

What exactly does "Bring in a quarterback" mean? This is college, not fantasy football or the NFL, there isn't free agency and there is no waiver wire. Any QB brought in is a true freshman, hardly ready to take over the reins. No, USD is not going to get a Johnny Manziel, so get that out of your head too. CF has unrealistic expectations.

Give JG time to build the program. While the results on the scoreboard are not there...yet, I can see a difference in this team just in its size, speed, and physicality. Especially on the defensive side of the ball.

[Deleted]

CF's analysis doesn't get the big picture for USD. One recruiting class isn't enough time to see results. It should take 3 and then you'll probably see a jump in production; however, you'll probably see it next year.

As for Vandenberg? (your QB), I caught the second half on Saturday and that kid competes. He's playing his ass off. Is he truly a QB? Probably not. You can just tell from watching him throw. But you have to tip your cap to him for playing as hard as he does. He's USDs best option and hopefully he can take that next step forward. He's definitely getting better. Your team just needs to develop some depth and get older.