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Post by Cousin Eddie on Mar 12, 2014 12:52:00 GMT -6
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Post by Yotes on Mar 12, 2014 13:15:30 GMT -6
Those first three examples is exactly why it would have been a mistake to keep Joey as head coach. Would you rather have someone who has never left USD, or someone who has coached at a wide range of much bigger programs across Division 1? It's not even a dilemma. I'm quite excited to see who we can bring in.
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Post by mraugustana on Mar 12, 2014 13:45:32 GMT -6
Those first three examples is exactly why it would have been a mistake to keep Joey as head coach. Would you rather have someone who has never left USD, or someone who has coached at a wide range of much bigger programs across Division 1? It's not even a dilemma. I'm quite excited to see who we can bring in. Not sure why you excluded Coach Billeter from that list of examples with D1 experience. He's been at more D1s (Arizona, Rice, St. John's, Texas A&M, all fairly big-time D1s) than both Otzelberger and Smith, and Miller has only been at one more if you count his 2-month stint at Missouri, even though it wasn't even a full season. And, unlike a couple of these guys, Billeter has been a head coach twice now (NDSU and Augustana). I just keep finding it interesting as I follow along with this process that some USD fans are so quick to dismiss him.
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Post by usdguy99 on Mar 12, 2014 13:53:02 GMT -6
I find it interesting that Augie fans continue to extol his virtues, but still think USD should run as fast as we can to hire him. If he is that great of coach, why would you want to see him considered by USD? I've heard from more than one Augie booster that they wish USD would hire him to solve the headache that is Tom Billeter.
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Post by teamsd on Mar 12, 2014 14:09:18 GMT -6
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Post by mraugustana on Mar 12, 2014 14:12:06 GMT -6
I find it interesting that Augie fans continue to extol his virtues, but still think USD should run as fast as we can to hire him. If he is that great of coach, why would you want to see him considered by USD? I've heard from more than one Augie booster that they wish USD would hire him to solve the headache that is Tom Billeter. Probably just a minority complex. As a long-time Augie fan, this whole process is obviously interesting as his name keeps popping up. Billeter has done quite a bit for Augie's program and is pretty well-qualified, which is why I'm somewhat concerned about the possibility of him having an opportunity to leave for a D1. It's not like I'm lobbying for him to get the job, as I personally doubt that comments on a message board are going to convince the USD administration who to hire. Going back to my minority complex comment, it just feels like, because he's coaching a formal rival of USD that happens to still be a D2 program, he somehow can't be qualified to coach at USD's elite, D1 level, and I guess that bugs me as an Augie fan. Then again, it's your message board and I'm nothing more than a visitor. Until Augie goes D1, I just need to learn to live with it. Either way, I personally don't think USD should "run as fast as they can" to hire him at all. They should do exactly what they are doing and search for the best candidates. The Coyotes will get a good coach out of the process either way, especially if all/some of the coaches who have been mentioned so far are genuinely interested.
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Post by mraugustana on Mar 12, 2014 14:22:16 GMT -6
We were actually just discussing Margenthaler as an option for this job over on the D2 message board. I'd personally be surprised if he were interested, only because of how great of a gig he has at Mankato ($114,00+ per year, incredible facilities for D2, can bring in any JUCO/D1 transfer he wants, located in a great town, plenty of talent to mine in the Cities, etc.). However, if he were willing to give that up, he certainly wouldn't be a bad choice if the Yotes wanted to go that route. He's obviously been successful at Mankato. Plus, the USD job would pay more, and you guys should have a pretty spectacular basketball arena coming soon. But based on the comments I've seen here and on Twitter, it seems you guys will be looking for more of a big-time D1 assistant than a D2 guy. Sorry to you USD fans who are annoyed with me for jumping in again. Just figured that, being a D2/NSIC fan, Margenthaler is in my wheelhouse of coaches I might be able to contribute info on.
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Post by notkiotees on Mar 12, 2014 14:44:51 GMT -6
With apologies to mraugustana, I would be incredibly disappointed to hear Billeters name announced at the presser.
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Post by mraugustana on Mar 12, 2014 14:53:48 GMT -6
With apologies to mraugustana, I would be incredibly disappointed to hear Billeters name announced at the presser. I do appreciate that, but there's no need for apologies whatsoever. This is a message board made for opinions and discussion. And it's not even an Augie message board at that, so you really shouldn't feel obligated to give any apology to me. Unless your post was just sarcasm, in which case you got me good. You have every right not to want to hear his name called, especially with some of the candidates who have been rumored to be interested. More than anything, I just feel a need to defend my little old alma mater.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 12, 2014 15:11:42 GMT -6
Those first three examples is exactly why it would have been a mistake to keep Joey as head coach. Would you rather have someone who has never left USD, or someone who has coached at a wide range of much bigger programs across Division 1? It's not even a dilemma. I'm quite excited to see who we can bring in. Not sure why you excluded Coach Billeter from that list of examples with D1 experience. He's been at more D1s (Arizona, Rice, St. John's, Texas A&M, all fairly big-time D1s) than both Otzelberger and Smith, and Miller has only been at one more if you count his 2-month stint at Missouri, even though it wasn't even a full season. And, unlike a couple of these guys, Billeter has been a head coach twice now (NDSU and Augustana). I just keep finding it interesting as I follow along with this process that some USD fans are so quick to dismiss him. To be honest, I didn't even look into Billeter's past experience. I just know that he has been at Auggie for quite a while, and not dominating D-2.
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Post by canislatrans on Mar 12, 2014 16:38:04 GMT -6
So far, the list is impressive.
Im a little out of the loop on the South Dakota college BB, other than USD and Summit League, but a quick look at Billeter's bio and I can see the reason for the interest. Thanks also MrAugie for your insight.
Hey, if Augie ever goes D1, that would make the whole Sioux Falls, Argus Leader, Summit League, State-USD marketing rush, very interesting!!
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Post by newyote on Mar 12, 2014 16:51:49 GMT -6
I guess in my opinion you can't even compare bills at augie or ryan miller. If we passed on ryan miller and took bills i would not only be shocked but disappointed.
Ryan miller would be a perfect fit. He is nationally known as one of the best recruiters in the country and has worked for not only some of the top coaches in the country (cal, Alford) but some of the top schools in the country. He's from south dakota and he used to torch the jacks.......sounds like the guy we need. I wouldn't be concerned with him filling a staff as coaches have connections throughout the country.
Him and bills are not even comparable imo.
Go yotes!!!!
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Post by canislatrans on Mar 12, 2014 17:24:19 GMT -6
I don't know enough to choose one over another, I just had to look up Billiter, because I was curious.
I think recruiting should and will be a top priority, and I have confidence in Herbster and his process.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 12, 2014 18:00:41 GMT -6
I would much rather have Marganthaler over Billiter. I like the success as a head coach that he has had at Mankato vs what Billiter has done recently at Augie. With that said Ryan Miller or Craig Smith seem like 2 up and comers that are very exciting so I would probably lean in one of their directions. I don't get why some people don't think USD can hire a very good coach. I definitely think they can. Many people thought that USD was doomed when Ryun Williams left the Women's program but look what Amy Williams has done. She was the product of a national search, which IMO results in the best coaches being hired. USD has needed new blood for the Men's programs for quite some time. Now is the time to realize it.
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Post by howlincoyote on Mar 12, 2014 18:33:26 GMT -6
Miller's Auburn squad is currently down 50-37 to South Carolina with 13 minutes to go. If they lose, I'd imagine the search committee will find out pretty soon whether or not he's interested. Assuming he hasn't submitted an application already.
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