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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 16, 2016 19:18:15 GMT -6
I know it's early but man o man so many Jacks fans and Matt Zimmer are convinced this game is the Jack's to win. Do they not realize that this Coyote team was playing basically their worst basketball of the season when they went into Frost and won. The team has gotten better and better even since and deserve to be the clear favorites on their home floor. Zimmer considered the game a toss up in one of his chats and in his recent live chat fully expects the chances of the Jackrabbit women to be better in a hostile road environment against them than the Jacks men winning at IPFW. I think it's amazing what a lack of respect the Coyote Women are given in the eyes of the blue and yellow and probably the media and neutral observers as well. Just listening to them talk about the rematch they think USD is basically a one person team in Seekamp. Go to the Jacks board, they never even mention any other players barely other than her. Do they not realize just how good the other players have been as well. They want to continually compare Miller to her but she just isn't the same type of player when it comes to taking over a game. I know I am ranting but I feel as if the Yotes are getting the short end of the stick despite winning their previous matchup.
I really hope that the Yotes continue to play with a chip on their shoulder like they have been doing. If USD continues their trend of tight defense the Jacks cannot match the Yotes offense and the Coyotes should win on their home floor. 72-59 is my pick for this one with the Red and White coming out on top.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 16, 2016 19:54:23 GMT -6
I'm oblivious to what Zimmer does but a beat writer pandering to their audience shouldn't come as a surprise. Fans will be fans and many exhibit zero respect for anyone but their own team, plus the analysis given in the posts of some delusional homers usually has its flaws.
When it comes down to it though this team is 20-3 with Seekamp and very well could go 3 for 3 against State this year en route to another NCAA appearance. Really wouldn't be any arguing with that series of events. Either team would be a good rep for the Summit but USD is the better of the two.
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Post by gopheryote on Feb 16, 2016 20:40:37 GMT -6
No doubt that the rabbits have talent and a solid track record. However, the Yotes have at least equal talent and a solid track record, plus Seekamp. Anything can happen on any given night, but this USD team appears to simply be better than the rabbits. And quite possibly by a lot. Assuming they come out focused, this one could be a rout. 87-60 Yotes.
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Post by feared on Feb 16, 2016 22:19:57 GMT -6
Two really good teams that are clearly separated from the rest of the crowd. Anything can happen at the SL tournament, but it would be a treat to see another SD Showdown in the championship game.
I'll take USD 79-71 on Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 0:07:13 GMT -6
Two really good teams that are clearly separated from the rest of the crowd. Anything can happen at the SL tournament, but it would be a treat to see another SD Showdown in the championship game. I'll take USD 79-71 on Saturday. I'm thinking it is going to be another low scoring game just like it was in Brookings. It's going to come down to what team makes play at the end of the game. Seekamp made the big 3 pointer at Frost to secure the win. I want to say it was Guebert who missed the 3 to tie the game after Seekamp made hers. SDSUs defense isn't going to give up 79 points. That last time the Jacks allowed over 70 was in a win at Frost against then #16 DePaul (12/15). They just don't give up that many points. In the game at Frost, USD didn't allow SDSU to catch the ball at the 3 point (SDSU players were like 2 or 3 feet beyond the arc) line which caused a problem with the offense. It will be interesting to see what AJs game plan is on Saturday to fix that. SDSU's offense has been slowing coming along. Guebert is shooting the ball well and Young and Miller seem to be getting back on track. Another thing that will intrigue me is if Ober and Thompson can control the paint like they did in the first match-up (and pretty much all season). 63-59 SDSU  It's going to be another heck of a game, that's for sure! |
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Post by yote14 on Feb 17, 2016 11:58:53 GMT -6
It's amazing how deep USD has become since the Oral Roberts loss as the bench is playing big minutes and providing a ton of points. To me that is the difference right now. I have no idea how much of a contribution SDSU is getting from their reserves but its tough to beat a team with good players who are that deep.
Either team could win the next two games by any score and I would not be surprised. Two really good evenly matched teams.
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Post by 91jack on Feb 17, 2016 13:22:25 GMT -6
It's amazing how deep USD has become since the Oral Roberts loss as the bench is playing big minutes and providing a ton of points. To me that is the difference right now. I have no idea how much of a contribution SDSU is getting from their reserves but its tough to beat a team with good players who are that deep. Either team could win the next two games by any score and I would not be surprised. Two really good evenly matched teams. I agree that there are two evenly matched really good teams. SDSU plays 8 players that play at least 17 minutes. They have always had a deep bench and that works well for them against most teams but USD was just as deep when they played in Brookings. I think SDSU has three disadvantages; Seekamp, they only have 2 seniors and neither start(compared to USD's seniors) and their third post player is Gabby Boever. Gabby was their starting PG two years ago. She sat out last year because of injury. She is 5'9" but has really long arms and since she has been around six years, she is strong enough to match up with most posts. Seekamp took over at the end of the game in Brookings. Will she do it again? I don't know. Once I saw that she was coming back and SDSU lost Stevens(who transferred out) I knew it would be tough this season. Stevens was the startersat PF before she got injured last year. Neither team is really a "post team" so it might not make a big difference but you have to be able to hold your own down low so you don't give up too much down there. |
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Post by feared on Feb 17, 2016 14:55:56 GMT -6
It's amazing how deep USD has become since the Oral Roberts loss as the bench is playing big minutes and providing a ton of points. To me that is the difference right now. I have no idea how much of a contribution SDSU is getting from their reserves but its tough to beat a team with good players who are that deep. Either team could win the next two games by any score and I would not be surprised. Two really good evenly matched teams. I agree that there are two evenly matched really good teams. SDSU plays 8 players that play at least 17 minutes. They have always had a deep bench and that works well for them against most teams but USD was just as deep when they played in Brookings. I think SDSU has three disadvantages; Seekamp, they only have 2 seniors and neither start(compared to USD's seniors) and their third post player is Gabby Boever. Gabby was their starting PG two years ago. She sat out last year because of injury. She is 5'9" but has really long arms and since she has been around six years, she is strong enough to match up with most posts. Seekamp took over at the end of the game in Brookings. Will she do it again? I don't know. Once I saw that she was coming back and SDSU lost Stevens(who transferred out) I knew it would be tough this season. Stevens was the startersat PF before she got injured last year. Neither team is really a "post team" so it might not make a big difference but you have to be able to hold your own down low so you don't give up too much down there. USD has 2 solid post players in McCloud and Liveringhouse who can drop 20-30 points combined and an emerging threat in Abigail Fogg, who seen an increase in minutes and has been very productive the last 6 games. |
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Post by yotefan90 on Feb 17, 2016 15:31:43 GMT -6
Our posts are solid, but not elite. They seem to get a fair amount of their shots blocked when going against taller defenders. Against State the first game, I believe it was Ober who set a personal best with 8 blocks herself in the game. Credit to the Yotes to continue to pound it inside and not become one dimensional. State's athleticism causes problems for Kate and Margaret so they played fewer minutes than usual at Brookings. Fogg only played 3 minutes as well so she could be an X-factor for the rematch in Vermillion with the way she has come on the last few games. She may pose a tougher matchup for Ober and Thompson, both defensively and offensively.
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Post by 91jack on Feb 18, 2016 12:42:20 GMT -6
USD has 2 solid post players in McCloud and Liveringhouse who can drop 20-30 points combined and an emerging threat in Abigail Fogg, who seen an increase in minutes and has been very productive the last 6 games. I was comparing the posts to the rest of the team. USD's top 4 scorers are not your post players. They can post up but they aren't the 3 players that you named. McCloud and Liveringhouse can put up points (they are 5th and 6th on the team in scoring) but they average 14.5 points/game together. If your team didn't have two or so of your top four scorers, your post players would probably step up and score more but they just don't get as many shots because of all of the other weapons that you have. SDSU's post players are 3rd, 5th and 6th on their team in scoring. All three of them have hit a few 3-pointers on the season but most of their work is done down low(minus Boever some but she is 5'9"). There is only one player that is in the top four at either school that is a "post" player. There are probably games when all four (two for each team) of the top post players have lead their team in scoring but it just doesn't happen very consistently. SDSU will probably have a post player or two on the all conference team but I think most people look more at both teams guards. With all of the players that both teams play it is tough to get the stats to receive all-conference awards but both teams will have several players on those teams anyway just because they are head and shoulders better than the other teams. That is what makes it interesting about Seekamp, will she be the conference "Player of the Year". She probably will be because she is the best player on the team that is either 1 or 1a. Miller isn't far behind. They both will probably be in the top 5. |
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Post by feared on Feb 18, 2016 14:08:34 GMT -6
With all of the players that both teams play it is tough to get the stats to receive all-conference awards but both teams will have several players on those teams anyway just because they are head and shoulders better than the other teams. That is what makes it interesting about Seekamp, will she be the conference "Player of the Year". She probably will be because she is the best player on the team that is either 1 or 1a. Miller isn't far behind. They both will probably be in the top 5. Conference Game Averages- Seekamp: 18.6 Points/ 6.3 Assists/3.3 Rebounds/ 2.3 Steals - 51.6% FG/ 46.2% 3PTMiller: 14.9 Points/2.8 Assists/ 4.9 Rebounds/1.1 Steals - 45.1% FG/25% 3PT Seekamp will win POY because she's the best player in the conference, hands down. Miller is a helluva player and she'll be a POY in the future, just no chance this year. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 14:48:57 GMT -6
With all of the players that both teams play it is tough to get the stats to receive all-conference awards but both teams will have several players on those teams anyway just because they are head and shoulders better than the other teams. That is what makes it interesting about Seekamp, will she be the conference "Player of the Year". She probably will be because she is the best player on the team that is either 1 or 1a. Miller isn't far behind. They both will probably be in the top 5. Conference Game Averages- Seekamp: 18.6 Points/ 6.3 Assists/3.3 Rebounds/ 2.3 Steals - 51.6% FG/ 46.2% 3PTMiller: 14.9 Points/2.8 Assists/ 4.9 Rebounds/1.1 Steals - 45.1% FG/25% 3PT Seekamp will win POY because she's the best player in the conference, hands down. Miller is a helluva player and she'll be a POY in the future, just no chance this year. I would say UNOs Shaw has a better chance than Miller. It seems to go to more upperclassmen anyways. Miller will get it her Junior and Senior years. |
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Post by gopheryote on Feb 19, 2016 7:02:21 GMT -6
Not to be nit-picky, but I thought the team looked a bit sluggish against WIU (Seekamp included). Which leads to my observation about Saturday's game - the rabbits are beating teams consistently by 20, which is very hard to do. But the Yotes are beating those same teams by 30 (even on off nights), which is crazy hard/UCONN-esqe. I had predicted earlier a 27 point rout, but after seeing the slow start with WIU, a more reasonable mind has beset me. The Yotes will still win, but likely only by 24.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 19, 2016 7:37:30 GMT -6
Not to be nit-picky, but I thought the team looked a bit sluggish against WIU (Seekamp included). Which leads to my observation about Saturday's game - the rabbits are beating teams consistently by 20, which is very hard to do. But the Yotes are beating those same teams by 30 (even on off nights), which is crazy hard/UCONN-esqe. I had predicted earlier a 27 point rout, but after seeing the slow start with WIU, a more reasonable mind has beset me. The Yotes will still win, but likely only by 24. 24 point win on Saturday huh? I'm going to hold you to that prediction. |
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Post by fightsd on Feb 19, 2016 8:03:24 GMT -6
USD has 2 solid post players in McCloud and Liveringhouse who can drop 20-30 points combined and an emerging threat in Abigail Fogg, who seen an increase in minutes and has been very productive the last 6 games. I was comparing the posts to the rest of the team. USD's top 4 scorers are not your post players. They can post up but they aren't the 3 players that you named. McCloud and Liveringhouse can put up points (they are 5th and 6th on the team in scoring) but they average 14.5 points/game together. If your team didn't have two or so of your top four scorers, your post players would probably step up and score more but they just don't get as many shots because of all of the other weapons that you have. SDSU's post players are 3rd, 5th and 6th on their team in scoring. All three of them have hit a few 3-pointers on the season but most of their work is done down low(minus Boever some but she is 5'9"). There is only one player that is in the top four at either school that is a "post" player. There are probably games when all four (two for each team) of the top post players have lead their team in scoring but it just doesn't happen very consistently. SDSU will probably have a post player or two on the all conference team but I think most people look more at both teams guards. With all of the players that both teams play it is tough to get the stats to receive all-conference awards but both teams will have several players on those teams anyway just because they are head and shoulders better than the other teams. That is what makes it interesting about Seekamp, will she be the conference "Player of the Year". She probably will be because she is the best player on the team that is either 1 or 1a. Miller isn't far behind. They both will probably be in the top 5. Seekamp plays at a different level than Miller. She's a good ball player but it's not that close. Nice try. |
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