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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Feb 22, 2016 16:34:09 GMT -6
Honestly San, nobody knows what will happen next season. We will have to wait and see. I feel pretty good about USD's returning players as well.
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Post by gopheryote on Feb 22, 2016 16:38:00 GMT -6
Time for me to eat crow (sort of). Didn't win by 20+, but I thought we were heading that way in the 2nd half. Then those screw last 2 minutes? SDSU has 1 loss by double digits this year and that was to Notre Dame by 11. Why in the hell would in the Jacks lose by 20+ to USD? Someone needs a reality check. I hope you don't gamble. Congrats on the win by the way. The game in Sioux Falls should be another good one coming down to the last couple of possessions. It's tough to beat a good team 3 times in 1 season! Ummm - lighten up a bit. Geesh.
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Post by fightsd on Feb 22, 2016 16:38:23 GMT -6
Another point bunny fans keep stating is how we lose all of our talent with the 5 seniors and have no shot at the title next year so we better hope we win it this year. Others claim most of USD's players are average at best and Seekamp makes them above average. With how well USD's bench has played to end the season and a non existent bench for the bunnies I think we will be ok. I heard the same comments from bunny fans last year and it turned out ok this year. Both teams are heavy in young talent but outside the starting 5 or 6 for SDSU there is little contribution. Don't crown yourselves champs next year just yet or for the rematch in the SLT championship game which may not even happen. You should not have been the favorite this year. Doesn't USD lose 4 starting seniors that include all-conference players in Seekamp and Hemiller? Then you a lose two solid role players in McCloud and Stewart. That will be very hard to replace all that production. You honestly don't think USD will be as good as they are this year next year do you? SDSU loses 2 seniors (Boever and Cornemann), both who come off the bench. Then SDSU gets Tonia Wade (St. Johns transfer) eligible next year. She was a top 100 recruit out of Kennedy HS in Minnesota. It's going to be very very tough to beat the Jacks the couple of next years especially when USD is playing pretty even SDSU this year (both games have come down to the wire). This is what Graham Hayes had to say about SDSU: "Present good, future better. There are nine freshmen and sophomores on the South Dakota State roster. Ponder that for a minute. The current iteration of this mid-major dynasty is just getting up to speed." LOL playing pretty even. Good one. Getting slighted by state people again. Funny, it's never pretty even when there's a W in you guys' final column.
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Post by sdyotefan on Feb 22, 2016 16:50:11 GMT -6
The Lady Yotes have a great incoming class of recruits--2nd all-time leading scorer in MN history, another Duffy from RC, plus those named above and more!!
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Post by coyote61 on Feb 22, 2016 17:02:00 GMT -6
I love the way Williams has used our bench this season. She has played these younger girls a little bit at a time all year and it's paying off. Not only will it help us come Summit tourney time, but also gets us a head start on next year. Next year we will have Tromboli, Fogg, Liveringhouse, both Arens girls, both Duffys, Severyn from Pierre and a tremendous freshman class. And you never know who might transfer in. The future is bright for women's basketball in South Dakota.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 22, 2016 17:32:55 GMT -6
We have some great players graduating but literally all of our returning players are ready to make larger contributions next year. None will be able to fill Seekamp's shoes, she is a type of player that doesn't come around often, but we will still have a great team.
Enough of that though. Plenty of season left here.
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Post by usdtator on Feb 22, 2016 17:38:21 GMT -6
Another point bunny fans keep stating is how we lose all of our talent with the 5 seniors and have no shot at the title next year so we better hope we win it this year. Others claim most of USD's players are average at best and Seekamp makes them above average. With how well USD's bench has played to end the season and a non existent bench for the bunnies I think we will be ok. I heard the same comments from bunny fans last year and it turned out ok this year. Both teams are heavy in young talent but outside the starting 5 or 6 for SDSU there is little contribution. Don't crown yourselves champs next year just yet or for the rematch in the SLT championship game which may not even happen. You should not have been the favorite this year. Doesn't USD lose 4 starting seniors that include all-conference players in Seekamp and Hemiller? Then you a lose two solid role players in McCloud and Stewart. That will be very hard to replace all that production. You honestly don't think USD will be as good as they are this year next year do you? SDSU loses 2 seniors (Boever and Cornemann), both who come off the bench. Then SDSU gets Tonia Wade (St. Johns transfer) eligible next year. She was a top 100 recruit out of Kennedy HS in Minnesota. It's going to be very very tough to beat the Jacks the couple of next years especially when USD is playing pretty even SDSU this year (both games have come down to the wire). This is what Graham Hayes had to say about SDSU: "Present good, future better. There are nine freshmen and sophomores on the South Dakota State roster. Ponder that for a minute. The current iteration of this mid-major dynasty is just getting up to speed." You are basing this "future" on wishes and dreams that AJ stays in Brookings... Without multi-year contracts, which apparently your coaches don't need, there are no guarantees...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 17:57:12 GMT -6
Doesn't USD lose 4 starting seniors that include all-conference players in Seekamp and Hemiller? Then you a lose two solid role players in McCloud and Stewart. That will be very hard to replace all that production. You honestly don't think USD will be as good as they are this year next year do you? SDSU loses 2 seniors (Boever and Cornemann), both who come off the bench. Then SDSU gets Tonia Wade (St. Johns transfer) eligible next year. She was a top 100 recruit out of Kennedy HS in Minnesota. It's going to be very very tough to beat the Jacks the next couple of years especially when USD is playing pretty even SDSU this year (both games have come down to the wire). This is what Graham Hayes had to say about SDSU: "Present good, future better. There are nine freshmen and sophomores on the South Dakota State roster. Ponder that for a minute. The current iteration of this mid-major dynasty is just getting up to speed." LOL playing pretty even. Good one. Getting slighted by state people again. Funny, it's never pretty even when there's a W in you guys' final column. It was pretty even last year and the games and league standings showed that. Both of the games this year have come down to SDSU missing a 3 pointer to tie the game with a couple of seconds left. Would you not call that even or is that complete domination in your eyes? I'm just trying to be realistic. You guys have a great team this year. It's going to be hard to duplicate the same success next after with all key pieces moving on. People do step, I just think it's going to be pretty a pretty tough thing to do. Look what happened when Wolters left SDSU. SDSU was a good team the next year, but not a great one like when he was on the team. It took a couple years to get back to that level. Next year SDSU men's team will be in the same boat with Parks, Marshall, Moffitt, and Bittle graduating. I'm not expecting the same success next year that the men's team had this year.
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Post by coyote61 on Feb 22, 2016 18:20:55 GMT -6
Pretty pathetic that the state fans are already talking about next year, I guess they just can't handle being beat by the lady Yotes twice this year. I know one thing is certain, I wouldn't be trolling states message boards and talking about next year after my team has been beaten twice by the rival team. Who knows, the Coyotes might be just as good next year as this year. I guess justifying 2 losses this year by talking about next year makes them feel warm and fuzzy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 18:46:08 GMT -6
Pretty pathetic that the state fans are already talking about next year, I guess they just can't handle being beat by the lady Yotes twice this year. I know one thing is certain, I wouldn't be trolling states message boards and talking about next year after my team has been beaten twice by the rival team. Who knows, the Coyotes might be just as good next year as this year. I guess justifying 2 losses this year by talking about next year makes them feel warm and fuzzy. I'm just responding to what a USD poster said. Maybe one person can say that it is pathetic that someone brings up something and misinterprets things that are said on a different board to this board. There is still plenty of season left. No one is saying this season is over. It is far from. Everyone knows that. It will be another battle in Sioux Falls.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 22, 2016 19:29:20 GMT -6
A little snarky are we today. You know what bugs the heck out of me and it's the phrase "it's hard to beat a good team three times in one season". Well I would certainly rather try to do that then to lose the first two games then try to win the third. It might be hard to beat a good team three times in one season but it's harder to get the first win when you have already lost the first two. Gosh maybe the Yotes should have thrown the game to the Jacks on Saturday to avoid the dreadful fate of having to try to beat them for the third time. I think I will take the top seed and make SDSU have to likely deal with IUPUI which is certainly not a guaranteed win for the Jacks in the Summit Tourney. I would much rather take my chances with ORU or Western Illinois. Actually to take it a step further maybe the Yotes should have thrown the entire second half of the season except against ORU so they wouldn't have to try to beat anyone for a third time.
The Jacks may very well win but it really has very little to do with the fact that the Yotes would be trying to win a third in a row over them. Heck the Coyote Men lost twice to the Jacks and are actually a pretty good team if you thrown out the last 2 months (LOL). Will we be hearing from the media that it will be hard for the Jacks to beat a good team 3 times. If that is the case I hope the Yotes draw IPFW, Omaha or IUPUI, and then SDSU. They would be favored because of the "beat a team 3 times rule". How many straight times has NDSU beat SDSU in football. "It's hard to beat a good team 10 times in a row if they have already won the first 9." Rant time but I can't stand that saying, can't stand it. Trying to beat a good team 3 times is a damn nice problem to have.
As far as SDSU being good for the next couple of years that will probably be the case but the Coyotes will kind of have the unknown factor and the pressure will shift to SDSU. Wasn't the pressure on SDSU to begin with since they were the pre season favorites, that is for both men and women and it looks like neither will come through. Lets project things out a bit. Lets give SDSU the advantage for the next 2 years. With the Jacks lack of depth and the Coyotes increasing depth including a likely great recruting class wouldn't it be fair to give the Yotes quite the advantage for the next 3 or 4 years after that. Next year will be quite fun knowing that the underdog Coyotes will actually take the court and compete. The same Coyotes that have been underdogs for the past 2 years. How did that turn out? What we have is an arms race in Summit Women's Basketball which is something SDSU didn't think they would have to deal with since without USD they were the only Summit Super Power.
Another thing to consider as well over the next couple of year and that is that the basketball programs will get a pretty good bump from moving into a new arena. That will raise the competitive level and interest level of the program as a whole.
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Post by gopheryote on Feb 22, 2016 20:31:50 GMT -6
Well, statistically it isn't harder to be a team the 3rd time (50/50 each time), but it is harder to win 3 in a row - kind of like it is harder still to beat a team 100 times in a row, so that is technically accurate.
Here is the thing though - if there is validity to the claim, will the rabbits lose to IUPUI next week or in SLT? Because it is very hard to beat a good team 3 times...
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Post by Yotes on Feb 22, 2016 20:59:06 GMT -6
Glad we get to avoid IUPUI in the second round. They have proven they can be a handful for anyone in the league.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 21:23:20 GMT -6
Glad we get to avoid IUPUI in the second round. They have proven they can be a handful for anyone in the league. That is not a certainty. IUPUI will be the 4th seed if ORU beats UNO in Tulsa on the 25th and IUPUI loses to both SDSU and USD. ORU would then be the 3 seed since they have the tie-breaker over IUPUI. (ORU is 1-1 against USD, IUPUI would be 0-2) This is the most likely scenario I'm seeing: USD- beat IPFW, beat IUPUI 15-1 SDSU- beat IUPUI, beat WIU 14-2 ORU- beat UNO 10-6 IUPUI- lose to SDSU, lose to USD 10-6 WIU- beat NDSU, lose to SDSU 8-8 UNO- lose to ORU, beat Denver 7-9 Denver- lose to UNO 3-13 NDSU- lose to WIU, beat IPFW 3-13 IPFW- lose to USD, lose to NDSU 2-14 with that the bracket would be: 1. USD vs 8. NDSU 4. IUPUI vs 5. WIU 2. SDSU vs 7. Denver 3. ORU vs 6. UNO
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Post by Yotes on Feb 22, 2016 21:47:32 GMT -6
Glad we get to avoid IUPUI in the second round. They have proven they can be a handful for anyone in the league. That is not a certainty. IUPUI will be the 4th seed if ORU beats UNO in Tulsa on the 25th and IUPUI loses to both SDSU and USD. ORU would then be the 3 seed since they have the tie-breaker over IUPUI. (ORU is 1-1 against USD, IUPUI would be 0-2) This is the most likely scenario I'm seeing: USD- beat IPFW, beat IUPUI 15-1 SDSU- beat IUPUI, beat WIU 14-2 ORU- beat UNO 10-6 IUPUI- lose to SDSU, lose to USD 10-6 WIU- beat NDSU, lose to SDSU 8-8 UNO- lose to ORU, beat Denver 7-9 Denver- lose to UNO 3-13 NDSU- lose to WIU, beat IPFW 3-13 IPFW- lose to USD, lose to NDSU 2-14 with that the bracket would be: 1. USD vs 8. NDSU 4. IUPUI vs 5. WIU 2. SDSU vs 7. Denver 3. ORU vs 6. UNO I had not looked at the standings or tiebreakers. Thanks for pointing this out, IUPUI does seem more likely to be a 4 than a 3.
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