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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 25, 2017 22:17:08 GMT -6
Here are the final standings for best basketball school in the Summit
South Dakota 23-9 South Dakota State 20-12 IUPUI 19-13 Western Illinois 18-14 Omaha 17-15 North Dakota State 15-17 Denver 11-21 Oral Roberts 11-21 Fort Wayne 9-23
The Coyotes are the only school that really blew expectations out of the water. Denver, ORU and Fort Wayne have to be awfully disappointed overall in their programs.
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Post by jackfan86 on Feb 25, 2017 22:41:38 GMT -6
Here are the final standings for best basketball school in the Summit South Dakota 23-9 South Dakota State 20-12 IUPUI 19-13 Western Illinois 18-14 Omaha 17-15 North Dakota State 15-17 Denver 11-21 Oral Roberts 11-21 Fort Wayne 9-23 The Coyotes are the only school that really blew expectations out of the water. Denver, ORU and Fort Wayne have to be awfully disappointed overall in their programs. I hope this exceptional season by USD means the fans show up in full throng at the SLT. If they don't, will they ever? I mean the men won the conference outright. No reasons left to not show up.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 26, 2017 0:53:42 GMT -6
Here are the final standings for best basketball school in the Summit South Dakota 23-9 South Dakota State 20-12 IUPUI 19-13 Western Illinois 18-14 Omaha 17-15 North Dakota State 15-17 Denver 11-21 Oral Roberts 11-21 Fort Wayne 9-23 The Coyotes are the only school that really blew expectations out of the water. Denver, ORU and Fort Wayne have to be awfully disappointed overall in their programs. I hope this exceptional season by USD means the fans show up in full throng at the SLT. If they don't, will they ever? I mean the men won the conference outright. No reasons left to not show up. You mean other than all the good seats being sold to whoever bought f'ing baseball tickets two years ago. Always the upper bowl I guess.
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Post by jackfan86 on Feb 26, 2017 8:29:28 GMT -6
I hope this exceptional season by USD means the fans show up in full throng at the SLT. If they don't, will they ever? I mean the men won the conference outright. No reasons left to not show up. You mean other than all the good seats being sold to whoever bought f'ing baseball tickets two years ago. Always the upper bowl I guess. I have lower bowl tickets and never bought baseball tickets.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 28, 2017 8:48:00 GMT -6
You mean other than all the good seats being sold to whoever bought f'ing baseball tickets two years ago. Always the upper bowl I guess. I have lower bowl tickets and never bought baseball tickets. I think you are missing the point. Forget about the baseball tickets thing. You are suggesting that because the USD men had a great season, that the USD fans should respond by showing up at the tournament better. I agree that more Coyote fans should, and probably will show up. The problem with that is folks who hadn't already purchased all-session passes 1 or 2 years in advance will have a much harder time "showing up" in the lower bowl. Thus the effect of the increase in red will be extremely muted. You will still see more blue than red in the lower bowl. It is what it is, and I realize that USD fans can purchase those 2-year tickets too, but to suggest that USD should suddenly fill up the lower bowl with red because of a good season is to ask the impossible. Those seats are spoken for. Hopefully we will see more Coyote fans purchasing 2-year tickets in March, but you won't see the effect until next year. And even then, the center-line sections will not be available and will remain blue.
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Post by thumper76 on Feb 28, 2017 11:41:50 GMT -6
I have lower bowl tickets and never bought baseball tickets. I think you are missing the point. Forget about the baseball tickets thing. You are suggesting that because the USD men had a great season, that the USD fans should respond by showing up at the tournament better. I agree that more Coyote fans should, and probably will show up. The problem with that is folks who hadn't already purchased all-session passes 1 or 2 years in advance will have a much harder time "showing up" in the lower bowl. Thus the effect of the increase in red will be extremely muted. You will still see more blue than red in the lower bowl. It is what it is, and I realize that USD fans can purchase those 2-year tickets too, but to suggest that USD should suddenly fill up the lower bowl with red because of a good season is to ask the impossible. Those seats are spoken for. Hopefully we will see more Coyote fans purchasing 2-year tickets in March, but you won't see the effect until next year. And even then, the center-line sections will not be available and will remain blue. I think more his point is crying "not fair" and trying to use the baseball tickets argument is quite possibly the saddest argument you could make. Seems to me from what I read on here is Yote fans have this sense that in the years they are good you are entitled to just as good of seats as Jacks fans who are willing to show up and commit to tickets even for seasons that aren't their best. Suddenly your men have a good year and now you should be allowed to have SDSU fans who have been committed for years removed from seats they have invested in year after year because of your tears. Should have committed to your team earlier then maybe, and not just shown up on the bandwagon. To me hoping that the conference pushes out SDSU fans and reallocates tickets out of the blue hands that have made the Summit tourney what it is when UND joins is pathetic. Instead of having your fanbase show up and make their presence known, sit back and whine like a spoiled child who shows up to the toy box late and demands to get to use a toy some other kid is using.
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Post by usdtator on Feb 28, 2017 12:07:07 GMT -6
I think you are missing the point. Forget about the baseball tickets thing. You are suggesting that because the USD men had a great season, that the USD fans should respond by showing up at the tournament better. I agree that more Coyote fans should, and probably will show up. The problem with that is folks who hadn't already purchased all-session passes 1 or 2 years in advance will have a much harder time "showing up" in the lower bowl. Thus the effect of the increase in red will be extremely muted. You will still see more blue than red in the lower bowl. It is what it is, and I realize that USD fans can purchase those 2-year tickets too, but to suggest that USD should suddenly fill up the lower bowl with red because of a good season is to ask the impossible. Those seats are spoken for. Hopefully we will see more Coyote fans purchasing 2-year tickets in March, but you won't see the effect until next year. And even then, the center-line sections will not be available and will remain blue. I think more his point is crying "not fair" and trying to use the baseball tickets argument is quite possibly the saddest argument you could make. Seems to me from what I read on here is Yote fans have this sense that in the years they are good you are entitled to just as good of seats as Jacks fans who are willing to show up and commit to tickets even for seasons that aren't their best. Suddenly your men have a good year and now you should be allowed to have SDSU fans who have been committed for years removed from seats they have invested in year after year because of your tears. Should have committed to your team earlier then maybe, and not just shown up on the bandwagon. To me hoping that the conference pushes out SDSU fans and reallocates tickets out of the blue hands that have made the Summit tourney what it is when UND joins is pathetic. Instead of having your fanbase show up and make their presence known, sit back and whine like a spoiled child who shows up to the toy box late and demands to get to use a toy some other kid is using. Not gonna get pulled into your regular trolling on our boards, but tell us how it's fair for teams to "buy into" the SL tourney like the bunnies have when they don't have, and have never had, access to the premier seating that the bunny fans have enjoyed since it moved to Sioux Falls. Maybe... in all fairness, the tourney should move to Indianapolis for a couple years and then rotate back to Sioux Falls or Fargo for a couple years...? Initially, each school would have an equal allotment of seats to purchase for their fans, then after a certain amount of time, the seats not purchased would be put up for grabs for all to purchase...? Just a suggestion... I know humper won't see it that way, because in their eyes, the rabbits are entitled to the premier seats.
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Post by thumper76 on Feb 28, 2017 12:25:48 GMT -6
Not gonna get pulled into your regular trolling on our boards, but tell us how it's fair for teams to "buy into" the SL tourney like the bunnies have when they don't have, and have never had, access to the premier seating that the bunny fans have enjoyed since it moved to Sioux Falls. Maybe... in all fairness, the tourney should move to Indianapolis for a couple years and then rotate back to Sioux Falls or Fargo for a couple years...? Initially, each school would have an equal allotment of seats to purchase for their fans, then after a certain amount of time, the seats not purchased would be put up for grabs for all to purchase...? Just a suggestion... I know humper won't see it that way, because in their eyes, the rabbits are entitled to the premier seats. 1) Us SDSU fans aren't entitled to anything, we just took the opportunity that was provided and made the most of it. 2) The tournament had several years in places like Tulsa, Ft Wayne, and Kansas City. Attendance for all of those have been crushed year after year by Sioux Falls. You want a great tournament environment full of fans or do you want it to have a small time atmosphere that minimizes the conference, because, unfair and stuff. 3) Fair is where you go to get corn dogs and cotton candy, this is the real world. Any sporting event at a neutral site end ups not being 100% neutral. The fans in attendance will always be unequal towards one side or the other, even if they aren't for one of the teams playing. It happens all the time. You can't legislate equality. On top of that, this tournament makes money and is well attended, unlike the majority of mid majors that are our conferences peers. 4) The entire reason that yote fans are capable of even attending the conference tourney that many would not be able to if it was in Tulsa or Indianapolis is because of the overwhelming support of Jacks fans that give them such an "unfair" advantage. Without that support that made the Sioux Falls area so much money is a large part of why they wanted to keep it. The reality is the very thing you complain about is the entire reason you have such ease of access in the first place. 5) Last but not least, from the perspective of selling tickets and operating as a business, does it make a whole hell of a lot of sense to piss off repeat customers who come back year after year and are far an away your largest customer base? Take a bunch of tickets away from people who are willing to commit to two years, and reallocate them on the hope that a schools fanbase, who is 100% more invested in hockey than basketball, and is 4 hours away, will fill that void? Hey you guys have the business school and all, but that would seem like a fairly moronic move from a business standpoint to me. Let's alienate a portion of our lifeblood because, pixie dust, rainbows, fairness, and participation trophies. Lol woof.
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 28, 2017 12:40:14 GMT -6
I don't know what USD fans are getting upset for. We should just be thankful to SDSU fans for making the Jackrabbit Invitational Tourna....err....Summit League Tournament a success.
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Post by yotefan90 on Feb 28, 2017 12:53:07 GMT -6
I have no desire to get drug into this myself, but here are my 2 cents. I have been going to many of the SLT games long before the Yotes were even D1 because it is good basketball. I bought all session passes the year before the Yotes were even eligible because I followed the Jacks message board close enough to realize how this was going to work out. I now have 5 all session passes in the lower bowl (have every year since the Yotes were eligible) that were secured the first year by standing in line a day before the tournament and the rest by the 2 year upgrades. I get it, the Jacks were there first and they are just playing by the rules that they themselves didn't make. By the time the average Yote fan was looking to buy all session passes, they were given an option of nose bleed, upper corners or the balcony.
We go to all of the games, all 14, every year. That is much easier and more enjoyable to do when you are satisfied with your seats in row 10 at the 3 point line. If I was a Yote fan that didn't start buying tickets until 2 years ago, I wouldn't enjoy my experience near as much if my option was to sit in the upper deck and next year my option is to buy those same tickets for another 2 years or take a chance on getting lucky that someone dropped out that had better seats and I could be lucky enough to snag them. If that doesn't work, I could end up with worse seats than the first time.
A few, certainly not all, Jacks fans like to criticize the Yote fan base for not showing up at the Denny. I went up to the upper bowl and watched a half of a game last year in one of the sessions that didn't include a South Dakota based team. I must say I probably wouldn't own tickets through 2019 right now if that was my only option.
Jacks fans should be thankful they have what they have and they were instrumental in getting it where it is today. But it shouldn't be viewed as an entitlement.
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Post by GoYotes on Feb 28, 2017 12:58:07 GMT -6
Best short term solution for more lower bowl seating for the Yotes is to have SDST lose their opening round games.
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 28, 2017 13:21:38 GMT -6
With all the changes in the conference since the tournament came to Sioux Falls it would be a good idea for seating to be reshuffled. USD and now UND fans have been, essentially, locked out of ever having the chance to buy session passes for good seats while their teams have been in the conference.
SDSU fans will still put in for seats, that isn't going to change. But it's only fair that the other conference schools get the same opportunity. And with the increased demand from USD and UND fans, not to mention NDSU fans that will certainly be interested, I bet the Summit League could increase the pricing structure and bring in even more revenue.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 28, 2017 13:23:01 GMT -6
I have no desire to get drug into this myself, but here are my 2 cents. I have been going to many of the SLT games long before the Yotes were even D1 because it is good basketball. I bought all session passes the year before the Yotes were even eligible because I followed the Jacks message board close enough to realize how this was going to work out. I now have 5 all session passes in the lower bowl (have every year since the Yotes were eligible) that were secured the first year by standing in line a day before the tournament and the rest by the 2 year upgrades. I get it, the Jacks were there first and they are just playing by the rules that they themselves didn't make. By the time the average Yote fan was looking to buy all session passes, they were given an option of nose bleed, upper corners or the balcony. We go to all of the games, all 14, every year. That is much easier and more enjoyable to do when you are satisfied with your seats in row 10 at the 3 point line. If I was a Yote fan that didn't start buying tickets until 2 years ago, I wouldn't enjoy my experience near as much if my option was to sit in the upper deck and next year my option is to buy those same tickets for another 2 years or take a chance on getting lucky that someone dropped out that had better seats and I could be lucky enough to snag them. If that doesn't work, I could end up with worse seats than the first time.A few, certainly not all, Jacks fans like to criticize the Yote fan base for not showing up at the Denny. I went up to the upper bowl and watched a half of a game last year in one of the sessions that didn't include a South Dakota based team. I must say I probably wouldn't own tickets through 2019 right now if that was my only option. Jacks fans should be thankful they have what they have and they were instrumental in getting it where it is today. But it shouldn't be viewed as an entitlement. That's the issue here. I'm boxed out from buying good seats because someone bought them before USD was even in the Summit League. If the Summit League honestly cares to make Sioux Falls as neutral as possible they would seriously change their ticket strategy. Renewals and two-year packages are going to cater to few and leave the rest of the conference out in the cold. Not how a conference tournament should be run. It's unfair enough to the others that it's in the same location every year instead of rotating. Don't go a step further to shut out fans.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Feb 28, 2017 13:40:13 GMT -6
SLT started in Sioux Falls in 2009. USD joined the SL in 2011. When did they implement the 2 year rule for the tickets? I honestly do not know.
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Post by canislatrans on Feb 28, 2017 13:40:17 GMT -6
Best short term solution for more lower bowl seating for the Yotes is to have SDST lose their opening round games. ...and long term, Coyotes just keep winning!! The more Coyotes success, the less Jacks fans, they will save their money for Equestrian or the hog sale at Frost.
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