larobe
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Post by larobe on Jul 14, 2017 19:26:34 GMT -6
Gonzaga's conference has never been mistaken for a good conference so there is more to it then just the top. St. Mary's isn't bad but after that the conference is junk. The Jacks are 2-0 against Gonzaga,although they haven't met recently,granted. Gonzaga owns the WCC,period,everyone else plays for second and maybe an at large bid,like BYU with 6'7"Hamson,Lexi Eaton, a few yrs back.... (gave UConn everything they wanted in the 1st half in the NCAA tournament,but UConn poured it on the 2nd half and won the game without much further drama),St.Mary's has been a good team as you mentioned recently ,Layola Marymount better too,San Diego occasionally and San Francisco recently.The bottom teams aren't good,ever.The WCC is just a top 3-4 team conference, similar to what the Summit has become,but somehow get multiple bids (2 usually).
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Post by Yotes on Jul 14, 2017 21:27:39 GMT -6
Gonzaga is the exception. No one thought the Horizon was a premier league after Butler had consecutive national runner up seasons. The MVC didn't gain any recognition with Wichita State's success. How many can name the conference that Florida Gulf Coast is in, after their few bids and Sweet 16 appearance?
Teams in low to mid-major conferences can have great seasons. The odds are better if a team can surround itself with better competition though. We haven't spent a crapload of money to just play our Dakota rivals, we must seek to be our best and associate with competition that pushes us.
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Post by kiyoat on Sept 26, 2017 11:22:42 GMT -6
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 26, 2017 12:03:28 GMT -6
That is better then some options. The absolute best option is for all 10 MVFC schools to join one conference together and have the possibility to move to FBS be something that all schools need to consider. The Valley in football is a FBS conference just playing under FCS rules.
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larobe
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Post by larobe on Sept 26, 2017 13:06:06 GMT -6
That is better then some options. The absolute best option is for all 10 MVFC schools to join one conference together and have the possibility to move to FBS be something that all schools need to consider. The Valley in football is a FBS conference just playing under FCS rules. I agree with this 100%,I've thought the same thing.Keep growing and strive to be all you can,some schools might find the move difficult financially though.Seems to me,all would benefit with such a move.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 26, 2017 14:01:21 GMT -6
If the coyotes are for real which it appears they are I would have to imagine they have gone from FCS fodder 9 years ago to suddenly a top 10 or at worst 20 program. the dome renovations may have a purpose of more then meets the eye. the valley as a whole has 7 teams that are all better then at minimum 10 fbs teams and maybe as many as 40. ndsu has already proven they are at worst a lower big 10 level program. If they cab beat Iowa they probably don't finish last in that conference.
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Post by yoteforever on Sept 26, 2017 14:45:05 GMT -6
Not to take anything away from NDSU, but the reality of it in my opinion is that if they had to play Big 10 teams week after week with their current team, they would be at the bottom of the league. Don't get me wrong, they are one hell of a team, but remember when they beat someone like Iowa, it's just one time a year they have to prepare for them. It's a huge game whereas the opponents consider themselves "playing down" at least 2 notches, so they aren't fired up. Then you dance and dance and all of a sudden it's the 4th quarter and their butts are in a jam. So much of this game is mental.
I'd USD were to have a rematch with Kansas let's say, I'd give us a 50-50 shot to win that one game. But if we played them 10 times they win 9. That's not a slap in our guys faces, it's just reality. As long as our staff keeps recruiting quality kids, you know they are getting coached, we will keep climbing the ladder. I told you last year that we were vastly improved, and I said we were better again this year. I still don't know if that means 6 wins or 8 wins, but we are better. We are at minimum getting respect.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 26, 2017 16:20:56 GMT -6
Not to take anything away from NDSU, but the reality of it in my opinion is that if they had to play Big 10 teams week after week with their current team, they would be at the bottom of the league. Don't get me wrong, they are one hell of a team, but remember when they beat someone like Iowa, it's just one time a year they have to prepare for them. It's a huge game whereas the opponents consider themselves "playing down" at least 2 notches, so they aren't fired up. Then you dance and dance and all of a sudden it's the 4th quarter and their butts are in a jam. So much of this game is mental. I'd USD were to have a rematch with Kansas let's say, I'd give us a 50-50 shot to win that one game. But if we played them 10 times they win 9. That's not a slap in our guys faces, it's just reality. As long as our staff keeps recruiting quality kids, you know they are getting coached, we will keep climbing the ladder. I told you last year that we were vastly improved, and I said we were better again this year. I still don't know if that means 6 wins or 8 wins, but we are better. We are at minimum getting respect. With all due respect but also in all honesty you have probably been saying that same thing since about 1988. If you pick the Coyotes to be good often enough (pretty much every year) eventually you will be right. Last year even though the team looked better to the eye they still finished 4-7 so by wins and losses they were not better then the year before. This is the most confident I have been personally since the transition but there is a long ways to go and many things to still prove. My prediction in the off season was that the Coyotes would be a good football team but the tough schedule would still get the best of them. The Coyotes have definitely to this point been much better then I thought but unfortunately some of the wins have been tarnished a bit because of the record of those teams. It is a constant battle to continue to prove one's legitimacy and keeping the arrow pointed upwards is a monumental task in this damn tough conference that SD is in.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 26, 2017 17:29:24 GMT -6
That is better then some options. The absolute best option is for all 10 MVFC schools to join one conference together and have the possibility to move to FBS be something that all schools need to consider. The Valley in football is a FBS conference just playing under FCS rules. I agree with this 100%,I've thought the same thing.Keep growing and strive to be all you can,some schools might find the move difficult financially though.Seems to me,all would benefit with such a move. I've stated it before, but will reiterate my pipe dream, that the optimal solution would be one all-sports conference of football playing MVC schools and the Dakotas+WIU (if they survive). The private schools bring little to the MVC, and the same can be said of the non-Dakota schools in the Summit. USD, SDSU, UND, NDSU, UNI, WIU, SIU, Illinois State, Indiana State. That's a conference of like-minded peers that play all sports. Drake, Evansville, Bradley, Loyola, and any private MVC school I'm forgetting can beat it. Also Missouri State. Pipe dream though. As much as the conference would make sense it just ain't happening.
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Post by leatherneckcountry on Sept 26, 2017 17:43:29 GMT -6
I agree with this 100%,I've thought the same thing.Keep growing and strive to be all you can,some schools might find the move difficult financially though.Seems to me,all would benefit with such a move. I've stated it before, but will reiterate my pipe dream, that the optimal solution would be one all-sports conference of football playing MVC schools and the Dakotas+WIU (if they survive). The private schools bring little to the MVC, and the same can be said of the non-Dakota schools in the Summit. USD, SDSU, UND, NDSU, UNI, WIU, SIU, Illinois State, Indiana State. That's a conference of like-minded peers that play all sports. Drake, Evansville, Bradley, Loyola, and any private MVC school I'm forgetting can beat it. Also Missouri State. Pipe dream though. As much as the conference would make sense it just ain't happening. As great as that sounds UNI and IL ST would never go for that they think that there above us.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 26, 2017 18:28:15 GMT -6
I've stated it before, but will reiterate my pipe dream, that the optimal solution would be one all-sports conference of football playing MVC schools and the Dakotas+WIU (if they survive). The private schools bring little to the MVC, and the same can be said of the non-Dakota schools in the Summit. USD, SDSU, UND, NDSU, UNI, WIU, SIU, Illinois State, Indiana State. That's a conference of like-minded peers that play all sports. Drake, Evansville, Bradley, Loyola, and any private MVC school I'm forgetting can beat it. Also Missouri State. Pipe dream though. As much as the conference would make sense it just ain't happening. As great as that sounds UNI and IL ST would never go for that they think that there above us. My dealings with UNI fans online aligns with that, and I'll have to take your word for Illinois State. We are just not remotely in their league. Loyola though!
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Post by leatherneckcountry on Sept 26, 2017 21:21:18 GMT -6
As great as that sounds UNI and IL ST would never go for that they think that there above us. My dealings with UNI fans online aligns with that, and I'll have to take your word for Illinois State. We are just not remotely in their league. Loyola though! Loyola doesn't have football but outside of that i think they would be a great fit in my opinion the MVC isn't really all that much better than the summit.
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Post by 91jack on Sept 27, 2017 9:25:08 GMT -6
Not to take anything away from NDSU, but the reality of it in my opinion is that if they had to play Big 10 teams week after week with their current team, they would be at the bottom of the league. Don't get me wrong, they are one hell of a team, but remember when they beat someone like Iowa, it's just one time a year they have to prepare for them. It's a huge game whereas the opponents consider themselves "playing down" at least 2 notches, so they aren't fired up. Then you dance and dance and all of a sudden it's the 4th quarter and their butts are in a jam. So much of this game is mental. I'd USD were to have a rematch with Kansas let's say, I'd give us a 50-50 shot to win that one game. But if we played them 10 times they win 9. That's not a slap in our guys faces, it's just reality. As long as our staff keeps recruiting quality kids, you know they are getting coached, we will keep climbing the ladder. I told you last year that we were vastly improved, and I said we were better again this year. I still don't know if that means 6 wins or 8 wins, but we are better. We are at minimum getting respect. With all due respect but also in all honesty you have probably been saying that same thing since about 1988. If you pick the Coyotes to be good often enough (pretty much every year) eventually you will be right. Last year even though the team looked better to the eye they still finished 4-7 so by wins and losses they were not better then the year before. This is the most confident I have been personally since the transition but there is a long ways to go and many things to still prove. My prediction in the off season was that the Coyotes would be a good football team but the tough schedule would still get the best of them. The Coyotes have definitely to this point been much better then I thought but unfortunately some of the wins have been tarnished a bit because of the record of those teams. It is a constant battle to continue to prove one's legitimacy and keeping the arrow pointed upwards is a monumental task in this damn tough conference that SD is in. I really don't know what to think of this years Coyotes team. I really thought they were for real after they beat UND but then Montana State went into UND and beat the by 28 points. I know that USD beat UND by more than that but both teams beat them solidly. USD's game was at home and Montana State's game was on the road. USD did beat Bowling Green but will Bowling Green finish 2-10 this season? It is still a win over a FBS team (better than SDSU's wins). Maybe Bowling Green will turn it around and win several games and that will be a good win for USD. SDSU played Montana State on the road and barely escaped with the win but I don't know a ton about them either. Montana State was picked near the bottom of the Big Sky but going into Grand Forks and beating a supposedly good UND team might mean they were underrated. SDSU"s offense should be good but what about the defense? You can't tell much when the second and third teams are playing against Drake and Duquesne. I think this week will be a true test for both teams. Both teams are on the road playing quality teams.
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Post by yotefan on Sept 27, 2017 9:36:11 GMT -6
Pretty fair assessment 91. Going to be interesting to see how things shake out going forward. Thanks for the post.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 27, 2017 10:20:27 GMT -6
With all due respect but also in all honesty you have probably been saying that same thing since about 1988. If you pick the Coyotes to be good often enough (pretty much every year) eventually you will be right. Last year even though the team looked better to the eye they still finished 4-7 so by wins and losses they were not better then the year before. This is the most confident I have been personally since the transition but there is a long ways to go and many things to still prove. My prediction in the off season was that the Coyotes would be a good football team but the tough schedule would still get the best of them. The Coyotes have definitely to this point been much better then I thought but unfortunately some of the wins have been tarnished a bit because of the record of those teams. It is a constant battle to continue to prove one's legitimacy and keeping the arrow pointed upwards is a monumental task in this damn tough conference that SD is in. I really don't know what to think of this years Coyotes team. I really thought they were for real after they beat UND but then Montana State went into UND and beat the by 28 points. I know that USD beat UND by more than that but both teams beat them solidly. USD's game was at home and Montana State's game was on the road. USD did beat Bowling Green but will Bowling Green finish 2-10 this season? It is still a win over a FBS team (better than SDSU's wins). Maybe Bowling Green will turn it around and win several games and that will be a good win for USD. SDSU played Montana State on the road and barely escaped with the win but I don't know a ton about them either. Montana State was picked near the bottom of the Big Sky but going into Grand Forks and beating a supposedly good UND team might mean they were underrated. SDSU"s offense should be good but what about the defense? You can't tell much when the second and third teams are playing against Drake and Duquesne. I think this week will be a true test for both teams. Both teams are on the road playing quality teams. I'll agree. All that you can definitively say from USD's victories is that they are better than the 3 teams defeated. Conference play is finally upon us and all will be revealed.
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