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Post by gopheryote on Jan 29, 2019 6:59:59 GMT -6
Win the SLT and remove the doubt Couldn't agree more. Let the Jacks worry about being a two-bid league. This team should be worried about one thing and that's going out and kicking whoever's ass is in between the lines with them. IDK. The SLT is 5 weeks away, I'm not on the team, and I like the idea of watching the SLT knowing we have a bid in our back pocket. Seems like a reasonable conversation to me at this point. If WBB doesn't use the quadrant system, what do they use?
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 29, 2019 7:30:31 GMT -6
I would assume they use the old “top25 top50” records to determine “good wins” and “bad losses”. Same as what the men used for many years.
The quadrant system is basically just a more sophisticated version.
*also, it has only been around for three years, so relatively new. Changes in the NCAA don't come quickly. The RPI should have been replaced a couple of decades ago, for example.
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 29, 2019 8:42:06 GMT -6
www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/womens-basketball-selections-101-selectionsHere is the "official" information on the selection committee on the women's side. No mention of quadrants. They do mention some vauge, nebulous criterea, though: I'm not sure how one would measure things like "ability to elevate" or "winnability", but I think most of those criteria are fluff, and secondary to the RPI, as has been demonstrated many times in the men's side tournament selections. The only time the subjective stuff comes into play is for the bubble teams, which we likely will be. If your RPI doesn't put you on the bubble, you aren't considered. This, of course, favors the major conferences. But I'm preaching to the choir. Whether we get in the dance, or are an upper seed in the WNIT for the umpteenth time, I think we will make some more noise this year in the post-season.
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Post by gopheryote on Jan 29, 2019 9:24:30 GMT -6
Here is a bubble comparison using the T25-T50-T100 snapshot (and I added Home/Neutral/Road, though I don't believe that is an official consideration).
Overall/Home/Neutral/Road
Yotes: RPI #30
T25: 1-1 (1-0/0-0/0-1)
T50: 3-2 (2-0/0-1/1-1)
T100: 6-2 (3-0/0-1/3-1)
Charlie C’s last team in:
Tennessee: RPI #49
T25: 0-3 (0-3/0-0/0-0) (3 more chances)
T50: 2-4 (0-4/1-0/1-0) (4 more chances)
T100: 6-7 (2-6/1-0/3-1) (5 more chances)
This is where it always goes against the mid-majors. Tennessee will likely end up with more T50 & T100 wins than USD – and the # of wins is the most cited. However, Tennessee will likely have a losing record in those categories, and will have played 2/3 of those games at home, but that isn’t often considered. Throw in the blue-blood nature of the team, and the only way Tennessee doesn’t make it is if another P5 team with a similar not-great resume beats them out. A SL team has no shot.
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 29, 2019 15:16:22 GMT -6
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Post by Yotes on Jan 29, 2019 18:10:15 GMT -6
I think I've enjoyed the two pieces I've seen from him more than I ever enjoyed reading Mick's stuff.
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Post by coyoteglory on Jan 30, 2019 8:55:10 GMT -6
I think I've enjoyed the two pieces I've seen from him more than I ever enjoyed reading Mick's stuff. I've enjoyed his stuff too. Articles like this that dive deeper into aspects that most haven't been thinking about and are more than just the typical/generic pieces are ones that we haven't seen as much from the argus.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Jan 30, 2019 16:52:19 GMT -6
Couldn't agree more. Let the Jacks worry about being a two-bid league. This team should be worried about one thing and that's going out and kicking whoever's ass is in between the lines with them. IDK. The SLT is 5 weeks away, I'm not on the team, and I like the idea of watching the SLT knowing we have a bid in our back pocket. Seems like a reasonable conversation to me at this point. If WBB doesn't use the quadrant system, what do they use? Obviously, I can't disagree with the notion that it would be nice to know that they have a bid in their back pocket, but that's never going to happen unless they win. All I'm saying is that losing really shouldn't be entering into the equation for this team. They truly have a chance to do something special this season in terms of not just getting to the tournament, but actually winning a game (or two ... or ...?)
This isn't a "normal" season where there are a couple of unbeatable behemoths lurking in the Round of 32 or Sweet 16 ... and this group of Coyotes is a special one. They should be approaching the next two months that way. They need to be way past thinking "what happens if we get beat?" and dreaming and preparing for something big.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 30, 2019 17:17:04 GMT -6
IDK. The SLT is 5 weeks away, I'm not on the team, and I like the idea of watching the SLT knowing we have a bid in our back pocket. Seems like a reasonable conversation to me at this point. If WBB doesn't use the quadrant system, what do they use? Obviously, I can't disagree with the notion that it would be nice to know that they have a bid in their back pocket, but that's never going to happen unless they win. All I'm saying is that losing really shouldn't be entering into the equation for this team. They truly have a chance to do something special this season in terms of not just getting to the tournament, but actually winning a game (or two ... or ...?) This isn't a "normal" season where there are a couple of unbeatable behemoths lurking in the Round of 32 or Sweet 16 ... and this group of Coyotes is a special one. They should be approaching the next two months that way. They need to be way past thinking "what happens if we get beat?" and dreaming and preparing for something big.
Agree 100%. This team could very well make the Sweet 16 and needs to be focused on crushing that next opponent, not running postseason scenarios. I as a fan though, will happily run through those scenarios myself. I'm not on the team. I'm sure we've got some connected people on this board who don't want to introduce my mindset to the players and coaches, but I'm going to look at the likelihood of an at-large bid in case this team does not win those 3 games in 4 days. It's fun to look at and sparks good discussion.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Jan 30, 2019 17:22:39 GMT -6
I agree with you guys. And obviously I enjoy the discussion aspect of it!
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Post by gopheryote on Feb 3, 2019 6:57:56 GMT -6
Interesting note (and possible bid stealer): Missouri State beat Drake (@ Drake) and is now 8-0 and in 1st in the MVC.
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Post by coyoteglory on Feb 3, 2019 11:54:31 GMT -6
Why are we falling so far in the RPI?
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Post by Yotes on Feb 3, 2019 13:59:50 GMT -6
Why are we falling so far in the RPI? Happens every year with league play. There's no avoiding it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 14:40:34 GMT -6
Do we have a chance to move into the AP Top 25?
#25 AP BYU lost to Pepperdine and Loyola Marymount this week. #26 AP Miami lost to FSU this week. #27 AP Drake lost to Missouri State this week. This may be a bid stealer but it helps us as we defeated MOST. Indiana did lose to #17 Rutgers. #22 AP Michigan State is battling a tough Purdue team right now.
2 teams we defeated beat ranked teams this week.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 3, 2019 16:59:37 GMT -6
Do we have a chance to move into the AP Top 25? #25 AP BYU lost to Pepperdine and Loyola Marymount this week. #26 AP Miami lost to FSU this week. #27 AP Drake lost to Missouri State this week. This may be a bid stealer but it helps us as we defeated MOST. Indiana did lose to #17 Rutgers. #22 AP Michigan State is battling a tough Purdue team right now. 2 teams we defeated beat ranked teams this week. We should pass those three teams directly ahead of us that you listed, but I'd wager the voters have someone leapfrog us for that last spot in the rankings.
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