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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 16, 2012 10:46:24 GMT -6
When SD expands their DakotaDome seating to 12500 seats and needs to fill the stands (or come closer at least) - where are those people going to come from? I really have no idea how SD can motivate alumni to get more involved. I think we all want that - it needs to happen somehow. Certainly a dismal turnout in SF for a game against NDSU will not help. If it was marketed appropriately and the "core" helped make it a success, perhaps it could help. I want Vermillion to succeed and grow - if SD could find a way to attract an additional 2,3, or 4 k to FB games in Vermillion each Saturday -that would be revenue that would make up for the missing game in SF as a minimum. Moving the game could be an investment in an eventual more successful game day environment in Vermillion the other weeks. But maybe it will just be a one year miserable failure. I don't see it translating to bigger gate in Vermillion. You might get the occasional casual SF USD fan who will show up at Howard Wood, but trust me, that lame atmosphere is not going to get them into USD football and get them to come to the Dome for a game. |
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Post by usdfbalum on Apr 16, 2012 11:19:57 GMT -6
I don't like Howard Wood either, really don't care for fb stadiums with a track.
Would it be a good venue if 12000 people showed up, tailgating was really promoted, and some corporate sponsorship. Serious question - Is it possible, even best case scenario? Or is it under no circumstances, something that could be a positive.
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Post by jackjd on Apr 16, 2012 11:40:36 GMT -6
As noted earlier in this thread, SDSU played UC-Davis in Sioux Falls. The game was played in 2005 at Howard Wood Field and the final score was SDSU 16, UC-Davis 14. Attendance was 7239. That season, 2005, SDSU had 7 games in Brookings in addition to the UC-Davis game in Sioux Falls. Average attendance for the 8 "home" games was 6972 that year. Not bad considering the Jacks were still transitioning and they had the benefit of three "extra" home games.
I do not think there is much interest in SDSU playing a "home" game at a neutral site. Last season, SDSU had 5 home games and the average attendance for the five games was 12,105. It doesn't make financial sense to have a "home" game outside of Brookings.
My two-cents on USD hosting NDSU at Sioux Falls: USD may have a totally different experience than SDSU had in playing at Sioux Falls. Personally, I think there's risk USD will lose some revenue by moving the game out of the DakotaDome but, on the other hand, I think it is a reasonable risk to test, particularly this season. There is added excitement this year because of membership in the Valley and the return of Coach Glenn and that particular game brings in the defending national champs.
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Post by azsod73 on Apr 16, 2012 12:18:06 GMT -6
I don't care for the idea of playing NDSU in SF unless it is some kind of quid pro quo for a major facilities donor. We will go into the game as an underdog either way but our chances for a W will be much higher at the Dome. And a possible win in the Dome will do much more for fan and alumni support than a likely loss at SF - no matter how many people maybe in attendance.
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Post by yotefan on Apr 16, 2012 14:42:44 GMT -6
Done deal. Announcement will likely be made on Thursday. Kickoff will be at 6:00 p.m. I think that part of this plan should be shared as it is important.
More hotel rooms for fans of both teams to use. Game at newly renovated Howard Wood field with the potential to sell about 8,500 tickets. Dome has 5,200 tickets to sell. Tickets will be $25 a pop. No youth tickets will likely be sold. The math on this makes sense.
This will also help cultivate our relationship with the Sioux Falls Sports Authority and more importantly with Sanford, a likely multi-million dollar donor for the new basketball arena.
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 16, 2012 14:55:20 GMT -6
They can spin it any way they want this still sucks and is a bad idea.
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Post by notkiotees on Apr 16, 2012 20:49:40 GMT -6
Lets transfer all athletics to the University Center in Sioux Falls, it'll be friggin' great.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 16, 2012 21:51:22 GMT -6
I am very surprised at the mentality by some on this board. This is not D2 anymore people, this is D1 and it's a new era like it or not. Sioux Falls can and needs to be part of the movement of USD to D1. If it means corporate money, fan interest or whatever but Vermillion by itself just doesn't produce enough interest. To me any hard core USD fan should want to see growth and if they means sacrafising some of the norm to do so, than so be it lets do some sacrafising.
Sayler has a bigger thinking mentality than the buddy system in Vermillion that used to exist. Heck if it were up to me I would completely move all athletics to Sioux Falls permanantly. That would be the best way to be the dominant college of the State. Obviously that isn't going to happen but to me it would make sense.
For those 40 and older on this board and especially 60 and over lets embrace this transition and the resulting action as a movement to the future. A movement to a new USD that isn't just centered with a 30 mile radius of Vermillion. We are not the University of Vermillion but of South Dakota and Sioux Falls is by far the most important area to take advantage of. The corporate money is in Sioux Falls and if USD can buddy up with Sioux Falls it only goes to help in the long run. Sioux Falls is one of the fastest growing cities in America. Last I knew in 20 years Sioux Falls will be well over 200,000 if not over 250,000. That is too big to ignore.
When I am in attendance at a football game or basketball game I want to see as many new fans show up as possible, especially young fans that are going to greatly enhance the home noise advantage. It's great to have the core but the core itself really needs to want to see growth for the betterment of the program for the future.
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Post by jman1985 on Apr 16, 2012 23:19:21 GMT -6
College athletics, at its core, is a small-town lifestyle, despite what you see in those major college conference tournaments in New York City and Indianapolis. I'm all for progression and transition, but I'll never sit here and say the attitude of 'Let's lust after Sioux Falls because its the big city' will get you anywhere. I agree, Division I is a time to dream big and think outside the box, and while the occasional game in Sioux Falls might be neat, let's not all hop aboard the Sioux Falls train to the magnitude Coyotefan is talking about.
Other than the Summit League tournament (which isnt even a fair example), give me one example of a neutral site game by either SDSU or USD that's been a huge success. Go ahead, give us an example.
Yes, I will concede that it's critical to establish a platform in Sioux Falls, but let's not lust after the big city because its the biggest city. If the NDSU game turns out to be a well-attended game with a spirited crowd, OK, good, I'll be up there in the stands cheering the whole time. If it turns out to be a clunker, with 2,500 NDSU fans screaming their heads off while the USD crowd sits there wondering why the game isn't in Vermillion, then that's all the proof we need that it was a bad idea.
Until then, yes, I give the USD administration credit for wanting to do something new, but I'm not going to sit here and say I like moving a football game (let alone the homecoming game; the biggest home game of the season) to a neutral site which completely takes away the advantage.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Apr 17, 2012 0:08:22 GMT -6
I am very surprised at the mentality by some on this board. This is not D2 anymore people, this is D1 and it's a new era like it or not. Sioux Falls can and needs to be part of the movement of USD to D1. If it means corporate money, fan interest or whatever but Vermillion by itself just doesn't produce enough interest. To me any hard core USD fan should want to see growth and if they means sacrafising some of the norm to do so, than so be it lets do some sacrafising. Sayler has a bigger thinking mentality than the buddy system in Vermillion that used to exist. Heck if it were up to me I would completely move all athletics to Sioux Falls permanantly. That would be the best way to be the dominant college of the State. Obviously that isn't going to happen but to me it would make sense. For those 40 and older on this board and especially 60 and over lets embrace this transition and the resulting action as a movement to the future. A movement to a new USD that isn't just centered with a 30 mile radius of Vermillion. We are not the University of Vermillion but of South Dakota and Sioux Falls is by far the most important area to take advantage of. The corporate money is in Sioux Falls and if USD can buddy up with Sioux Falls it only goes to help in the long run. Sioux Falls is one of the fastest growing cities in America. Last I knew in 20 years Sioux Falls will be well over 200,000 if not over 250,000. That is too big to ignore. When I am in attendance at a football game or basketball game I want to see as many new fans show up as possible, especially young fans that are going to greatly enhance the home noise advantage. It's great to have the core but the core itself really needs to want to see growth for the betterment of the program for the future. coming from the person who questioned 6 months ago if USD should move back down to Division II and had almost stopped coming to USD games in Vermilllion.... I am just saying, this has been done before and no one went. People in Pine Bluff show more loyalty to UAPB who continues to put together mediocre seasons than the Sioux Falls fan base because 75 percent of the Sioux Falls fan base has no pride in USD. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 17, 2012 6:17:03 GMT -6
It's not like we have an abundance of home games this season. They are taking 1 of only 5 games, and probably the biggest, most exciting game of the season to SF.
This thing is going to be a disaster. I'm predicting great attendance, just that it will be 7,000 Bison fans and about 2,000 USD fans.
A couple previous posters are right, it is not USD-Sioux Falls, the college is in Vermillion. The games should be played in Vermillion. Moving games has been a disaster before, why expect different results?
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Post by 88grad on Apr 17, 2012 6:42:09 GMT -6
If NDSU has more people in attendance then all of us need to be ashamed!
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Post by usdfbalum on Apr 17, 2012 6:56:12 GMT -6
The collective assumption seems to be that this will be a failure. Some are rooting for the quick failure of this event to prevent this from ever being considered again.
Everyone on here wants SD Athletics, the University at Large, and Vermillion as a whole to thrive and grow.
I am in the minority on this, for sure. If the marketers and SD administration and hopefully a handfull of the right corporate sponsors lean into this - it can be a success. (exposure, financial). The bigger challenge may be to get that to translate eventually to an additional 2-5k in attendance at SD games in Vermillion. SD is not selling out a 5200 seat grandstand currently (even D Days.). Where are the people going to come from when there are an additional 5000 seats? Going to look pretty empty unless something happens. Can we realistically make up that gap from Clay County - Yankton area - Dakota Dunes? Maybe. More likely it will take that plus a size able chunk from Minnehaha County.
This is not being done to spite Vermillion or bend to the will of Sioux Falls. It is about trying to make an investment - taking a chance - and trying to find a way to get more butts in the seats in Vermillion (eventually - will not happen overnight). Would Vermillion benefit if attendance at games could grow to the level of UNI and SDSU? (double our current attendance). You know it would. If USD was getting 10-13k for home games the University would generate enough revenue to schedule an additional home game.
I understand some say it will not work. I would rather have 7 home games in Vermillion every year and never ever think of playing home games outside of the DakotaDome. We need more butts in the seats. Besides winning - what are your ideas to get SD headed in that direction?
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Post by newtousd33 on Apr 17, 2012 6:58:48 GMT -6
I don't see a way that NDSU doesn't have more fans at this game.
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Post by formeryote on Apr 17, 2012 7:15:21 GMT -6
Yote53 – I’m predicting less fans than you did as this game coincides with the pheasant opener.
Honest question – Why are people that don’t follow the team now suddenly going to go to a football game because it’s in SF? You’re chasing the same people that didn’t attend games while they were attending USD. What’s going to make them go now? Convenience? T. Denny Sanford putting his name on it? I doubt it. What’s next, Omaha? Makes more sense actually – More alumni if that’s the litmus test for moving games.
The game belongs in Vermillion. Figure out how to get more people to Vermillion rather than attempting to appeal to a market that doesn’t support you in the first place.
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