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Post by golfingyote on Oct 16, 2013 13:42:32 GMT -6
The men's Summit League preseason poll was released today. Not a huge surprise as Taylor Braun of NDSU was named preseason player of the year. Trevor Gruis, 2nd team (C) was the lone coyote on preseason all conference teams. The team poll was as follows:
2013-14 SUMMIT LEAGUE MEN'S BASKETBALL PRESEASON POLL
Rk Team (1st) Pts. 1. North Dakota State (25) 305 2. Denver (3) 260 3. South Dakota State 233 4. Western Illinois 161 5. Omaha 130 6. Fort Wayne 120 7. South Dakota 102 8. IUPUI 81
Honestly, I was surprised by the women's poll and now the men's as well. Coyote bsketball not garnering much respect in either preseason poll. I think the women's team could have easily received a first place vote or two the way the year was finished.
I think the men have the potential to finish anyone from 3rd-6th in the summit this year. I think 7th would be a huge disappointment. On the positive side, hopefully we can surprise some people with our depth and ability to score and move up the totem poll in the league.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 16, 2013 17:31:30 GMT -6
Yeah, a 7th place finish would be an incredible disappointment. The 8th place team went 1-15 last year, so it's like they think we're good for maybe 3 wins. I expect us to finish at least 5th, and anything less to me means that James is not the future. The only big loss was Myles, but we return a lot of young talent and complement it with a few new faces that should be seeing good time. No way we finish worse than we did last year.
Good on Gruis making the 2nd team all conference. Definitely the leader of this team, he's played about as much as any Coyote ever going into his senior season.
Top two in this league are going to be darn good. NDSU returns their entire team from last year, and Denver is fresh off of a WAC title and an NIT win. SDSU lost way too much talent to compete for a title this year, and I highly doubt WIU flukes their way to another good season (plus they lost a lot of players).
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Post by canislatrans on Oct 16, 2013 19:38:14 GMT -6
Well, if our Men's and Women's BB teams need any motivation show them the preseason polls.
WOW, the Mens poll is a joke!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 19:39:09 GMT -6
Yeah, a 7th place finish would be an incredible disappointment. The 8th place team went 1-15 last year, so it's like they think we're good for maybe 3 wins. I expect us to finish at least 5th, and anything less to me means that James is not the future. The only big loss was Myles, but we return a lot of young talent and complement it with a few new faces that should be seeing good time. No way we finish worse than we did last year. Good on Gruis making the 2nd team all conference. Definitely the leader of this team, he's played about as much as any Coyote ever going into his senior season. Top two in this league are going to be darn good. NDSU returns their entire team from last year, and Denver is fresh off of a WAC title and an NIT win. SDSU lost way too much talent to compete for a title this year, and I highly doubt WIU flukes their way to another good season (plus they lost a lot of players). I have to disagree with you on that. Yes, SDSU did lose Wolters to the NBA but the Jacks still return 3 starters and a couple people off the bench that have played in the NCAA tournament twice including preseason 1st teamer Jordan Dyksta. Also, don't forget about that former 4-star transfer recruit from Florida, Cody Larson (6'9 230lbs). This years team does take a step back from the last couple of years but its a very small step. SDSU is still on of the top teams in the Summit. Its tough to beat the Jackrabbits in Sioux Falls!
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Post by golfingyote on Oct 17, 2013 7:13:22 GMT -6
Yeah, a 7th place finish would be an incredible disappointment. The 8th place team went 1-15 last year, so it's like they think we're good for maybe 3 wins. I expect us to finish at least 5th, and anything less to me means that James is not the future. The only big loss was Myles, but we return a lot of young talent and complement it with a few new faces that should be seeing good time. No way we finish worse than we did last year. Good on Gruis making the 2nd team all conference. Definitely the leader of this team, he's played about as much as any Coyote ever going into his senior season. Top two in this league are going to be darn good. NDSU returns their entire team from last year, and Denver is fresh off of a WAC title and an NIT win. SDSU lost way too much talent to compete for a title this year, and I highly doubt WIU flukes their way to another good season (plus they lost a lot of players). I have to disagree with you on that. Yes, SDSU did lose Wolters to the NBA but the Jacks still return 3 starters and a couple people off the bench that have played in the NCAA tournament twice including preseason 1st teamer Jordan Dyksta. Also, don't forget about that former 4-star transfer recruit from Florida, Cody Larson (6'9 230lbs). This years team does take a step back from the last couple of years but its a very small step. SDSU is still on of the top teams in the Summit. Its tough to beat the Jackrabbits in Sioux Falls! One thing I am excited about is the gap between SDSU and USD has clearly clsoed in men's basketball. This might be the first year since making the transition that we are actually the favorite on our home floor. A good sign for the future as we still have alot of youth and this may SDSU's last run for a few years. It will be interesting to see how good some of their other players actually are now that their offense doesnt revolve around Nate Wolters. Dykstra will have to be "The Man" for the jacks to win another Summit title. Looking forward to what should be a competitive season for the Yotes in the Summit.
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Post by yoteforever on Oct 17, 2013 7:23:45 GMT -6
I have to disagree with you on that. Yes, SDSU did lose Wolters to the NBA but the Jacks still return 3 starters and a couple people off the bench that have played in the NCAA tournament twice including preseason 1st teamer Jordan Dyksta. Also, don't forget about that former 4-star transfer recruit from Florida, Cody Larson (6'9 230lbs). This years team does take a step back from the last couple of years but its a very small step. SDSU is still on of the top teams in the Summit. Its tough to beat the Jackrabbits in Sioux Falls! One thing I am excited about is the gap between SDSU and USD has clearly clsoed in men's basketball. This might be the first year since making the transition that we are actually the favorite on our home floor. A good sign for the future as we still have alot of youth and this may SDSU's last run for a few years. It will be interesting to see how good some of their other players actually are now that their offense doesnt revolve around Nate Wolters. Dykstra will have to be "The Man" for the jacks to win another Summit title. Looking forward to what should be a competitive season for the Yotes in the Summit. We certainly seem anyway to be getting a little stability. Coach Boots gave up 3 years ago, and it showed. He did little if any recruiting and left it in the hands of his assistants. That isn't good when the head coach is disengaged. It appears the talent pool is as good as we have seen it in quite some time. And although we may have closed the gap on the Jacks, I don't think State will drop off much tis year. Dykstra is agnostic, along with two other starters plus the flunkie but talented Larsen transferring from Florida. If he does his job, and doesn't have the Mr. big Shot mentality, I think SDSU is going to be pretty good. Now, next season might be a different story. Anyway, good luck Joey. We wish you nothing but the best. Your predecessor left you in a difficult spot. This is your chance to make lemonade out of a lemon. Good luck
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Post by jackit on Oct 17, 2013 12:04:16 GMT -6
One thing I am excited about is the gap between SDSU and USD has clearly clsoed in men's basketball. This might be the first year since making the transition that we are actually the favorite on our home floor. A good sign for the future as we still have alot of youth and this may SDSU's last run for a few years. It will be interesting to see how good some of their other players actually are now that their offense doesnt revolve around Nate Wolters. Dykstra will have to be "The Man" for the jacks to win another Summit title. Looking forward to what should be a competitive season for the Yotes in the Summit. We certainly seem anyway to be getting a little stability. Coach Boots gave up 3 years ago, and it showed. He did little if any recruiting and left it in the hands of his assistants. That isn't good when the head coach is disengaged. It appears the talent pool is as good as we have seen it in quite some time. And although we may have closed the gap on the Jacks, I don't think State will drop off much tis year. Dykstra is agnostic, along with two other starters plus the flunkie but talented Larsen transferring from Florida. If he does his job, and doesn't have the Mr. big Shot mentality, I think SDSU is going to be pretty good. Now, next season might be a different story. Anyway, good luck Joey. We wish you nothing but the best. Your predecessor left you in a difficult spot. This is your chance to make lemonade out of a lemon. Good luck Switching coaches in September is stability? Also, the yotes are gonna have to prove you have closed the gap on the Jacks. As of right now you're still one spot out of the Summit league cellar.
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Post by jackjd on Oct 17, 2013 13:18:25 GMT -6
We certainly seem anyway to be getting a little stability. Coach Boots gave up 3 years ago, and it showed. He did little if any recruiting and left it in the hands of his assistants. That isn't good when the head coach is disengaged. It appears the talent pool is as good as we have seen it in quite some time. And although we may have closed the gap on the Jacks, I don't think State will drop off much tis year. Dykstra is agnostic, along with two other starters plus the flunkie but talented Larsen transferring from Florida. If he does his job, and doesn't have the Mr. big Shot mentality, I think SDSU is going to be pretty good. Now, next season might be a different story. Anyway, good luck Joey. We wish you nothing but the best. Your predecessor left you in a difficult spot. This is your chance to make lemonade out of a lemon. Good luck Switching coaches in September is stability? Also, the yotes are gonna have to prove you have closed the gap on the Jacks. As of right now you're still one spot out of the Summit league cellar. Not sure what is meant by the term "flunkie", yoteforever. Larsen's troubles have been documented so no secrets there but if you meant "flunkie" in the sense of his academic abilities, you're wrong. He's a very good student. In all other departments, Coach Nagy has been very pleased with Larsen's efforts and what he brings to the team. There's a reason Coach Donovan recruited him to Florida and I think Summit League teams will see that reason right away. (I also think that while Larsen is going to impress, he won't be SDSU's top guy. Watch Dykstra really emerge this season.) I think the preseason Summit League poll has to be taken lightly. The other coaches do not have enough history with USD, and taking into account the coaching change, well, it's just guesswork so the conference coaches guessed low. Other teams in the conference have lost some key players (e.g. WIU) and, in my opinion, other than Denver and NDSU, nothing is certain. My guess is SDSU will challenge for the conference title. I concede I know very little about Denver other than what has been said about the program the last couple of years. I've watched NDSU a lot in the past few years and no doubt they'll be a top team but my gut tells me they won't go dancing out of the conference tourney.
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Post by azsod73 on Oct 17, 2013 14:37:44 GMT -6
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"Switching coaches in September is stability? Also, the yotes are gonna have to prove you have closed the gap on the Jacks. As of right now you're still one spot out of the Summit league cellar."
Part of the stability is having the coach who recruited you (and doing most of the coaching) also becoming your head coach. I don't think there is a concern with the players on this issue.
As far as the 'gap', lest you forget, the Yotes have bounced your bunnies two times in a row in Vermillion. I trust you would agree that the last 2 bunnie teams have been the best Nagy has ever coached? And, I believe it has been less than 10 years since Nagy had a 4 win, 20 something loss team. As I recall, you were thumped by Morningside and several other teams of lesser merit. The Yotes have been down but never to the bunnie level.
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Post by canislatrans on Oct 17, 2013 14:40:19 GMT -6
Agreed, other than Denver and NDSU, it is up for grabs. However, if your view from last year's results and a little checking of recruits, is that the Yotes will finish 7th, you're missing something!
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Post by golfingyote on Oct 17, 2013 14:45:30 GMT -6
We certainly seem anyway to be getting a little stability. Coach Boots gave up 3 years ago, and it showed. He did little if any recruiting and left it in the hands of his assistants. That isn't good when the head coach is disengaged. It appears the talent pool is as good as we have seen it in quite some time. And although we may have closed the gap on the Jacks, I don't think State will drop off much tis year. Dykstra is agnostic, along with two other starters plus the flunkie but talented Larsen transferring from Florida. If he does his job, and doesn't have the Mr. big Shot mentality, I think SDSU is going to be pretty good. Now, next season might be a different story. Anyway, good luck Joey. We wish you nothing but the best. Your predecessor left you in a difficult spot. This is your chance to make lemonade out of a lemon. Good luck Switching coaches in September is stability? Also, the yotes are gonna have to prove you have closed the gap on the Jacks. As of right now you're still one spot out of the Summit league cellar. Cellar of what? the preseason poll? yeah becasue thats a great predictor of how your season will go. All im saying is we outplayed SDSU on our home floor last year. 2 years ago was a semi fluke. We lose virtually no one from a season ago (Myels a loose cannon and not a true PG). You could argue that our guard play is better than yours right now this day. Big men and forwards we are playing from behind yet. The gap has closed, and you will see that this year. New coach, new attitude, new style, new tally in the win column. USD lost 7 conference games by 5 or less last year including the SL tourney game. Winning record in conference this year is not out of the question.
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Post by oldhare on Oct 17, 2013 15:18:17 GMT -6
Kasperbauer, Bos, Gruis, and Rowson give the yotes a good nucleus. How the transfers fit in will be the indicator early for your season. Right now the Jacks have one transfer that should garner significant playing time. The Jacks also return 4 seniors for a good nucleus. The Jacks may develop some new plays rather than give the ball to Nate. 7th place in the preseason might be a bit harsh for the yotes, but it is like taxes-we only predict from the most current year without making any assumption that this year will change greatly from last. Denver is riding a good year by winning the WAC and having a win in the NIT and they return most of last year's team. They had a losing season prior to that 2012-13. Will they go straight to the top of the Summit? I would hope that the conference play has improved and that Denver may find the Summit more talented than expected. This should be an entertaining season.
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Post by jackit on Oct 17, 2013 15:18:25 GMT -6
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"Switching coaches in September is stability? Also, the yotes are gonna have to prove you have closed the gap on the Jacks. As of right now you're still one spot out of the Summit league cellar."Part of the stability is having the coach who recruited you (and doing most of the coaching) also becoming your head coach. I don't think there is a concern with the players on this issue. As far as the 'gap', lest you forget, the Yotes have bounced your bunnies two times in a row in Vermillion. I trust you would agree that the last 2 bunnie teams have been the best Nagy has ever coached? And, I believe it has been less than 10 years since Nagy had a 4 win, 20 something loss team. As I recall, you were thumped by Morningside and several other teams of lesser merit. The Yotes have been down but never to the bunnie level. Hopefully your team will figure out what you fans can't, it isn't a 2 game season. What does bringing up something from 10 years ago have to do with anything?You're really reaching.
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Post by jackit on Oct 17, 2013 15:26:07 GMT -6
Switching coaches in September is stability? Also, the yotes are gonna have to prove you have closed the gap on the Jacks. As of right now you're still one spot out of the Summit league cellar. Cellar of what? the preseason poll? yeah becasue thats a great predictor of how your season will go. All im saying is we outplayed SDSU on our home floor last year. 2 years ago was a semi fluke. We lose virtually no one from a season ago (Myels a loose cannon and not a true PG). You could argue that our guard play is better than yours right now this day. Big men and forwards we are playing from behind yet. The gap has closed, and you will see that this year. New coach, new attitude, new style, new tally in the win column. USD lost 7 conference games by 5 or less last year including the SL tourney game. Winning record in conference this year is not out of the question. I don't care about the preseason poll. Yotes finished tied for 7th last year,1 place out of the cellar. Again, another fan who thinks the season is all about the 2 games against the Jacks.
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Post by azsod73 on Oct 17, 2013 15:28:21 GMT -6
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"Switching coaches in September is stability? Also, the yotes are gonna have to prove you have closed the gap on the Jacks. As of right now you're still one spot out of the Summit league cellar."Part of the stability is having the coach who recruited you (and doing most of the coaching) also becoming your head coach. I don't think there is a concern with the players on this issue. As far as the 'gap', lest you forget, the Yotes have bounced your bunnies two times in a row in Vermillion. I trust you would agree that the last 2 bunnie teams have been the best Nagy has ever coached? And, I believe it has been less than 10 years since Nagy had a 4 win, 20 something loss team. As I recall, you were thumped by Morningside and several other teams of lesser merit. The Yotes have been down but never to the bunnie level. Hopefully your team will figure out what you fans can't, it isn't a 2 game season. What does bringing up something from 10 years ago have to do with anything?You're really reaching. Read it again, s l o w ly, it's all a part of your 'gap'.
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