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Post by Yotes on Oct 17, 2013 15:48:39 GMT -6
Hopefully your team will figure out what you fans can't, it isn't a 2 game season. What does bringing up something from 10 years ago have to do with anything?You're really reaching. Read it again, s l o w ly, it's all a part of your 'gap'. The gap will close once we catch them in conference standings. Maybe that's this year, we don't know yet. Their low was lower than ours ever was, we did better in our transition than they did in theirs, and having their two best teams ever lose to our two worst teams ever was awesome, but as it stands the gap is still very much there. They're likely to fall from 1st this year and we're likely to rise from 7th, but until we are above them in the standings it's hard to say that there isn't a gap.
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Post by yoteforever on Oct 17, 2013 18:07:21 GMT -6
Switching coaches in September is stability? Also, the yotes are gonna have to prove you have closed the gap on the Jacks. As of right now you're still one spot out of the Summit league cellar. Not sure what is meant by the term "flunkie", yoteforever. Larsen's troubles have been documented so no secrets there but if you meant "flunkie" in the sense of his academic abilities, you're wrong. He's a very good student. In all other departments, Coach Nagy has been very pleased with Larsen's efforts and what he brings to the team. There's a reason Coach Donovan recruited him to Florida and I think Summit League teams will see that reason right away. (I also think that while Larsen is going to impress, he won't be SDSU's top guy. Watch Dykstra really emerge this season.) I think the preseason Summit League poll has to be taken lightly. The other coaches do not have enough history with USD, and taking into account the coaching change, well, it's just guesswork so the conference coaches guessed low. Other teams in the conference have lost some key players (e.g. WIU) and, in my opinion, other than Denver and NDSU, nothing is certain. My guess is SDSU will challenge for the conference title. I concede I know very little about Denver other than what has been said about the program the last couple of years. I've watched NDSU a lot in the past few years and no doubt they'll be a top team but my gut tells me they won't go dancing out of the conference tourney. I didn't mean academically. I meant so far he has flunked out in the game of life. Coach Nagy is taking a chance, and while some people will bash Nagy for doing so, I won't ever bash a coach for giving a kid a new lease on life. Any coach that does that puts himself a little at risk, but in this case, the reward is high. My guess is that Larsen will be your top performer, and if he is, good for you. Joey James will have the respect of his team. It's up to Joey to show the world whether he can be a head coach or not, but I wish him well, not so much for the obvious reason, but because he is genuinely good people. As far as the polls go, play it out on the floor. I'm not going to predict a thing because I don't know. And lastly Jackit, you are the only one I see that brings up the 2 game season. If you could careless about the USD game like you profess, then you wouldn't take it up on our board. You care, just like the other fans on both sides of the floor care. It's called rivalry. Talk all you want that it isn't, but no one believes you.
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Post by golfingyote on Oct 18, 2013 7:33:18 GMT -6
Cellar of what? the preseason poll? yeah becasue thats a great predictor of how your season will go. All im saying is we outplayed SDSU on our home floor last year. 2 years ago was a semi fluke. We lose virtually no one from a season ago (Myels a loose cannon and not a true PG). You could argue that our guard play is better than yours right now this day. Big men and forwards we are playing from behind yet. The gap has closed, and you will see that this year. New coach, new attitude, new style, new tally in the win column. USD lost 7 conference games by 5 or less last year including the SL tourney game. Winning record in conference this year is not out of the question. I don't care about the preseason poll. Yotes finished tied for 7th last year,1 place out of the cellar. Again, another fan who thinks the season is all about the 2 games against the Jacks. Not even close to what I said. Read the whole post next time. Yes we finished T-7, but as i said lost 6 regular season conference games by 5 or less,and bring everyone back including 2 transfers who sat out, both of which are projected to start. we win half of those close games last year and we are in 5th. Id expect us to finish top 5 in the conference this year. Which by the looks of things, will be within 1 or 2 spots of the bunnies or maybe even ahead of them. If you want to debate, Im all for it. But bring something factual to the conversation besides you tied for 7th. If you think the jacks are head shoulders above us right now in mens basketball, you are as delirious as any other SDSU fan.
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Post by kioatee on Oct 18, 2013 9:58:52 GMT -6
Pre-season polls are not to be taken too seriously. Theres no point getting all worked up about them. I personally think the Yotes will have a great year. I am excited to see how the new "faster tempo" yotes team does. I think they will be exciting to watch and will be a top 5 team. Combining a big of Gruis' talent and from what I hear to be a true PG in Norris and some great guards Bos, Casey, and Thoseby coming in i believe they will live up to my expectations and not the expectations of the league....
I predict Denver and NDSU in the top two spots. I see WIU, SDSU, USD all in the mix for the next three spots. UNO have been improving rapidly with a great new facility and some good young players also. Should be a fun year of Summit League Basketball.
Go YOTES
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Post by canislatrans on Oct 20, 2013 5:56:23 GMT -6
One thing we know, this supposed 'gap' between SDSU and USD is closing quickly!!!
Add Football to the growing list! Mens and Womens BB will be next!
And this is only year 2.....
Go Yotes!
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Post by usdyote2013 on Oct 20, 2013 10:22:54 GMT -6
I think Jack fans are putting wayyy too many eggs in Cody Larson's basket. Yes, he was recruited by Florida (along with schools like Kansas) and played some but lets be real, he averaged 0.5 points and 0.8 rebounds in his last year at U o F. You see guys who didn't fulfill their potential at big universities "transfer down" all the time and there is no guarantee they become impact players. USD basically lost one player (Myles because J-Boots is basically addition by subtraction) and players that either have a ton of experience (Gruis) or young guys who gained a ton of experience last year (Boes, Kasperbauer, Flack). I anticipate SDSU is really going to struggle putting the ball in the hole if Larson isn't the 15-20 ppg guy State fans seem to think he's going to be.
At the very least, we are on the same level as SDSU (second tier teams in the Summit this year) but I have a hard time not seeing us having more success in the conference in 1 A.N. (After Nate).
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Post by oldhare on Oct 20, 2013 20:18:06 GMT -6
One thing we know, this supposed 'gap' between SDSU and USD is closing quickly!!! Add Football to the growing list! Mens and Womens BB will be next! And this is only year 2..... Go Yotes! This is a narrowing gap indeed. The women won the Summit conference the year before they were eligible for the post season play and they also played 2 NIT tourneys before NCAA eligible. So that gap is gone in history. However, you still have a shot at the men's program which won the Summit tourney in year 4 and year 5. Also, you will need to get into the football playoffs this year. Congratulations on the UNI victory and also the confidence in Coach Glen that is in place now. He has led the yotes to head of the SD schools this year in football. I guess that the Jackrabbits Superbowl is in Vermillion this year!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 20:57:39 GMT -6
At the very least, we are on the same level as SDSU (second tier teams in the Summit this year) but I have a hard time not seeing us having more success in the conference in 1 A.N. (After Nate). You do know that Nate had 4 other teammates that averaged double digits. It wasn't all Nate. SDSU's offense is going to move smoother this year. No one is going to to be standing around anymore watching Nate do his thing. The Jacks could be better offensively and will be better defensively this year imo. You must not realize how much better our recruits are since making it to the NCAA tournament the last 2 years. SDSU Basketball is looking to be is good shape for the future. Until USD can prove to be more consistent and not lose to lower tier summit teams they are always going to be a middle of the pack type of team.
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Post by obc on Oct 20, 2013 21:49:35 GMT -6
At the very least, we are on the same level as SDSU (second tier teams in the Summit this year) but I have a hard time not seeing us having more success in the conference in 1 A.N. (After Nate). You do know that Nate had 4 other teammates that averaged double digits. It wasn't all Nate. SDSU's offense is going to move smoother this year. No one is going to to be standing around anymore watching Nate do his thing. The Jacks could be better offensively and will be better defensively this year imo. You must not realize how much better our recruits are since making it to the NCAA tournament the last 2 years. SDSU Basketball is looking to be is good shape for the future. Until USD can prove to be more consistent and not lose to lower tier summit teams they are always going to be a middle of the pack type of team. Thanks for the update. Good to know how much better your basketball team will be this year. Maybe they won't lose to a "lower tier" team like USD was the previous two years in Vermillion - your last two squads lost those games btw - dooming your group to being classified as middle of the pack by your definition you provided. USD will be better too. You are right to be nervous. USD VB has dominated the Jacks for several games in a row - how many games now? USD FB will be tough to beat for the Jacks this year as will WBB. I must not have understood what making the Big Dance in WBB and the playoffs for FB would do for recruiting in those sports either. Moving on mentally to MBB is a good choice for you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 23:42:38 GMT -6
I was more pointing out the loses to UMKC. If you want to start getting some respect from the people who make these polls you cant lose those types of games. In regards to the 2 loses at USD, its a rivalry game. Anything can happen. Want to bring up the 2 double digits loses at Frost? How about the win over #16 New Mexico? Middle of the pack teams don't win back-to-back Summit League titles (including 1 regular season). I'm also not saying the Jacks will be better. They will struggle early in the non-conference. But I expect them to be right in the mix of things for a 3 seed at years end. And i'm talking our men's basketball recruits. SDSU has had 2 solid recruiting classes the past couple of years because of the NCAA tournament berths. SDSU will always be one the top teams in the Summit (i might me drinking to much kool aid but who knows). It took a couple years to get here and a very special player. I give USD 1 more season after this, and they will be right there fighting for the top spot.
I guess I don't follow SDSU volleyball very close, but I do football. I would not be surprised if SDSU loses to USD. Hell, if the game was in Brookings, I still think the Jacks lose. USD should be favored to win the game. As far as women's basketball, its coming down to USD and SDSU. Battle of the Dakotas round 2! With the Jacks prevailing again making it a 6th(?) consecutive year that Jacks make the NCAA tournament. (Word on the street that the is best SDSU women's team since 2008-2009)
Bold prediction for the season: Cody Larson and Jordan Dykstra make 1st team All-Summit, Jacks finish 3rd in regular conference, and win the Summit League Tournament in Sioux Falls.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Oct 21, 2013 8:42:27 GMT -6
As a USD fan, I see no reason to start pounding our chest or to question this poll. We haven't earned anything. I don't care what Sandakotastate has to say about the potential of this year's SDSU squad, but he is totally correct in stating that we need to temper our expectations and need to earn respect before is shows up in preseason polls produced by outsiders.
Guys - our coach left the team weeks before practice was scheduled to start. Everybody outside a 100 mile radius of Vermillion has no reason to expect USD to be able to recover from that.
I have high hopes thanks to the players we have been bringing in the last 3 years, but they need to show it on the court and earn that respect. Hopefully our team goes into this season with a chip on their shoulder and feels they have something to prove.
You are correct in stating that Cody Larson has done NOTHING on the court to earn the expectations that SDSU is casting on him, but neither has Norris, Thoseby, or Larson. Here is hoping all of the stories and rumors out there about our redshirt players are correct.
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 21, 2013 11:20:43 GMT -6
..... I guess I don't follow SDSU volleyball very close, but I do football. I would not be surprised if SDSU loses to USD. Hell, if the game was in Brookings, I still think the Jacks lose. USD should be favored to win the game. As far as women's basketball, its coming down to USD and SDSU. Battle of the Dakotas round 2! With the Jacks prevailing again making it a 6th(?) consecutive year that Jacks make the NCAA tournament. (Word on the street that the is best SDSU women's team since 2008-2009) .....; Word on the street also had the Bunnies football being a top 5 team in the nation (not state) this year.
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Post by oldhare on Oct 21, 2013 11:33:15 GMT -6
..... Word on the street also had the Bunnies football being a top 5 team in the nation (not state) this year. It appears they are clinging to #25 this week! If they win a game, there could be more upside again.
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Post by canislatrans on Oct 22, 2013 6:56:29 GMT -6
The preseason poll is a prediction, an opinion of the future. I simply expressed my opinion, that ranking the Coyotes 7th is a joke!
Yes, it all comes down to performance, and you have to prove yourself, I get that. But why have polls if you aren't trying to express an opinion of what's ahead. You should just reprint last year's standings it would be easier.........wait a minute, insert the newcomer Denver, oh, I get it. I am a little slow, but I get it now....
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 22, 2013 9:02:15 GMT -6
In all honesty I can see how outsiders would predict a low finish for the Coyotes. We abruptly lost our legendary coach who had guided the program for over 20 years. I can see how someone on the outside would look at that as a negative.
Those on the inside look at it and, while we thank Coach Boots for his years of dedication, well, we see a head coach who is going to be more dynamic, try some different things, push the envelope on the court so to speak. This Coyote team is going to have a different feel and it is going to start on the defensive end of the court. We can put up points, defense is where you will see the difference.
I think there is truly some excitement for this upcoming season.
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