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Post by aldewitt on May 27, 2019 12:09:50 GMT -6
2017 MVFC Standings | MVFC Record | 2017 Revenues | 2017 Expenses | 2017 Football | # Athletes | $/Athlete | NDSU | 8-0 | $27,267,507 | $28,124,525 | $5,281,392
| 419
| $67,123 | SDSU | 6-2 | $22,075,310
| $20,880,295 | $6,173,730 | 514 | $40,623 | UNI | 5-3 | $19,497,119
| $18,375,024
| $3,549,488
| 419 | $43,854 | InSU | 5-3 | $16,098,113
| $15,262,080
| $4,048,550 | 388 | $39,355 | WIU | 4-4 | $11,944,035
| $13,027,183
| $3,128,738
| 396 | $32,897 | USD | 3-5 | $19,256,962
| $18,904,718
| $3,364,781
| 383 | $49,489 | IlSI | 3-5 | $27,852,407
| 25,144,172
| $4,016,804
| 419 | $60,010 | YSU | 3-5 | $27,852,407
| $25,144,172
| $4,416,804
| 419 | $60,010 | MSU | 2-6 | $26,374,654
| $26,374,654
| $3,858,335
| 388 | $67,976 | UND | 2-6 | $28,201,349
| $26,727,343
| $4,464,097
| 430 | $62,157 | SIU | 1-7 | $22,722,740
| $26,785,157
| $4,267,087
| 365 | $73,384 | AVG | | $22,649,328 | $22,249,937 | $4,233,619 | 413 | $53,921 |
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| Iowa |
| $130,681,467
| $130,219,211
| $31,950,592 | 691 | $188,450 | ISU |
| $82,659,447
| $82,565,176
| $20,352,821 | 443 | $186,377 | UOK |
| $155,238,481
| $138,456,780
| $37,795,695 | 572 | $242,057 |
That is information gathered from the Knight Commission of Intercollegiate Athletics. The Data Base is called College Athletics Financial Information(CAFI) Database. It is found here: cafidatabase.knightcommission.orgThe $/athlete is interesting. There isn't a lot of correlation between what's spent and success. It really boils down to how good are you at college football? That means everything including coaching, facilities, recruiting, travel the entire budget that makes up those numbers. You can see it at the CAFI database. Its the same breakdown for each school. I would say SIU is terrible at football. I would also say Indiana State is great at the game. They get a lot of bang for their dollar. NDSU is great especially when considering the huge football budgets they have knocked off. The Coyotes are up against a big budget this fall. It's a little bigger than the Iowa budget. The one MVFC hockey school has a large budget. It has an average football budget.
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Post by aldewitt on May 25, 2019 8:47:17 GMT -6
That would make the league more interesting. The Summit Womens BB is a competitive league. NDSU pays top dollar for their coaches, tops in the Dakotas with or without hockey, so they haven't been getting their moneys worth in that program. Wouldn't you hate to see that easy win go out the window with their coaching change?
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Post by aldewitt on May 25, 2019 4:33:46 GMT -6
Augie doesn’t need to build anything. Their facilities are set. In the meantime UST can build, with their unlimited funds, a hockey arena, football stadium and basketball arena. All of that to become a very small D1 school, like Augie. Bring them on but Augie is not going away.
I don’t believe it’s either/or. Augie is in. UST is speculative. They need 20 million/year budget to have the bare bones funding of Maine and Und. They need what, 500 million or so for facilities? They need a waiver to skip D2 with viable D2 & D3 options out there.
It should be interesting watching it unfold. Not only the Augie UST situations but the accelerating deterioration of athletics at UND. Can they reverse their collapsed hockey, football and BB programs with a budget on life support? If so a D1 all sports UST has hope too.
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Post by aldewitt on May 24, 2019 14:04:15 GMT -6
Does anyone really think that St Thomas's athletic facilities are better than what Augustana has to offer? There football stadium capacity is only 5,000 and the basketball capacity is 2,000. Not quite D1 ready. They play hockey at St Thomas Ice Arena, Capacity 1,400. Attendance 165 at the last game this season against Hamline. They lost. They will need a larger larger hockey arena Bemidji plays at the new Sanford Center. A nice arena
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Post by aldewitt on May 24, 2019 12:12:41 GMT -6
Here is the impact of Hockey on FCS athletic budgets. These expenses are from 2017 the most current available. This came from the link below. You can find it for about any school. It includes all expenditures for all sports. The FCS median is 15.6 mill. Both Augie and UST have some fund raising to do to Get to the middle Total budgets UND. 26.7 mill D1 hockey FCS Maine. 20.9 D1 Hockey FCS NDSU. 28.1 FCS USD. 18.9 FCS SDSU. 20.9 - FCS. The same as Maine but Maine has to pay for a hockey team too. Coaches Salaries all sports UND: 4.54 million MAINE: 3.45 mill NDSU: 4.63 million USD: 3.24 mill - total expenditures close to Maine but Maine has to pay the Hockey coaches too SDSU: 3.8 mill travel and game expenses UND. 3.77 mill MAINE. 2.48 NDSU. 5.12 mill - probably lots of playoff and national championship game expenses USD. 2.26 mill - About the same as Maine but Maine has to fly a hockey team around and host home games too SDSU. 3.9 mill Hockey will bring your budget to the top of the FCs schools but leave you with average to below average money for other sports. UND is a nice bench mark to use when comparing to programs that still have the decision to keep some sports in D2 while moving hockey to D1. I agree the D1 Hockey all sports model at this budget level comes up short. Pointing that out is not extending any disrespect to the programs that have chosen it. Obviously at this level the budget dollars remaining after funding a D1 hockey team leaves you with a generous D2 budget or average to below average FCS budget. I got got the information from this link. It is very informative cafidatabase.knightcommission.org/fcs
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Post by aldewitt on May 24, 2019 6:14:51 GMT -6
Thats the same argument the MIAC presidents used when they kicked out UST. Who is the next biggest loser in the conference? Are they good enough to belong?
we really have little information about Augies readiness except their athletic budget which is already up there with some of the other perpetual bottom feeders in the conference.
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Post by aldewitt on May 23, 2019 15:50:07 GMT -6
With budgets this size nobody is supporting D1 hockey and football except UND and Bowling Green. Neither is a powerhouse and the expense is even starting to take its toll on hockey. UMD on the other hand is winning D1 hockey and D2 football national championships.
Suggesting UST move all sports to D1 begs the comparison of the business models. It strongly suggests UST take the UMD rout and the vacancy Augie would create in the NSIC. Besides, especially with the opening in the NSIC, there will be no extenuating circumstances for UST to cite supporting the D2 waiver.
Enrollment is clearly a secondary consideration behind funding when talking about D2 to D1 conversions. D1 hockey is being over-run with lower division members and planned move-ups. If Augie has the money they will be just fine.
Growth in budgets and enrollments at all the D2 schools in this region is suggesting more D1 conversions in the future. All of them should be welcome in the Summit.
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Post by aldewitt on May 23, 2019 5:50:15 GMT -6
FARGO FORUM TODAY: The MIAC presidents haven’t shown much character.
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Post by aldewitt on May 23, 2019 5:17:36 GMT -6
From Bisonville:
Is Augi really that much of an extistential threat to USD when they are already in Sioux Falls competing for fans, players and corporate dollars? Augie is a money maker because it’s cheap to get there, especially for the Dakota schools, and there will be no money losing guarantee to pay.
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Post by aldewitt on May 23, 2019 4:05:56 GMT -6
With the news Crookston, enrollment 2,834, is on the verge of starting a D1 hockey program for membership in the WCHA people should feel a lot better about Augie to the Summit. Then when you add the speculation of U of Mary and Minot State starting hockey, both with enrollments of just over 3,000, you begin to realize it’s not about enrollments. Both UMD and St Cloud are about 5 times the size of Many teams in the league and UMD is right behind it. It’s the budgets not the enrollments.
UND is spending 21 million and has the second smallest budget in D1 for schools with both hockey and football. I suppose UST could join them and Bowling Green at the bottom of the heap or join its peers in the NSIC using the more successful sports model.
UST has an endowment a little larger than USDs 401 mill and about twice the Dakota schools. I don’t know what their athletic budget is.
For a school the size of UST to play D1 hockey UMD is the model to follow. They are champions in both D2 football and D1 hockey. Hold that in contrast to the success of Bowling Green and UND trying to compete in all D1 all sports. There is barely enough to keep the hockey programs running at that level and pay basic expenses in other sports.
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Post by aldewitt on May 22, 2019 18:28:56 GMT -6
Anything can happen but the waiver for UST might not be a go. I think it’s more likely they go to NSIC and follow the business model of Mankato and UMD rather than the model at UND.
UND has one of the smallest budgets in D1 for hockey and D1 football. UST is smaller. For schools their size the D1 hockey D2 other sports is a more successful model. Not being driven by the Englestad family UST will make the decision best for them from their own point of view.
Sioux Volley, the conference realignment expert at Sioux sports, disagrees too and echoes some of my points. He has this to say:
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Post by aldewitt on May 22, 2019 17:51:58 GMT -6
UST would make a good fit. After all, as charter members of the NCC it’s nothing new for them. I’m not sure what they do about hockey and football. Their head coach was at NDSU and might be able to transition them from non scholarship to full scholarship with financial support.
When it comes to the Summit It’s not either or though. The Summit gets Augie too.
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Post by aldewitt on May 22, 2019 15:03:33 GMT -6
They are D3 and a long way off from D1 but Augie opens a spot in the D2 NSIC when/if they move. Timing is right.
St Thomas is an old NCC member and they will fit right in with the rest of us when the time comes but the NSIC looks like a good home for them right now.
Augie and the WI Green Bay team if it forms could join the pioneer and Augie to the Summit. In the near term That makes some sense.
In the longer term it’s all speculation but if all things were to stay the same, when the time comes, an NSIC D2 St Thomas could play in the MVFC right away. Maybe at that time Augie would be ready to add scholarships and they both could join the MVFC? As far as football is concerned Augie has said just give it time.
The NCC is not dead. We could end up in the Summit with all our old pals and the North Central Division of the MVFC consisting of the 4 Dakota schools UST and Augie.
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Post by aldewitt on May 20, 2019 5:45:53 GMT -6
Did the count. 9 of top 20 from MVFC including the top 2.
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Post by aldewitt on May 19, 2019 5:02:49 GMT -6
NDSU was eliminated from the NCAA women’s tournament in 2 games yesterday against Drake.
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