MD
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Post by MD on Dec 9, 2014 12:21:24 GMT -6
LoL. My first post, and I get called a State fan. That too, is cute.
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Post by jackjd on Dec 9, 2014 12:43:43 GMT -6
LoL. My first post, and I get called a State fan. That too, is cute. You thanked them, didn't you? |
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Post by golfingyote on Dec 9, 2014 12:50:23 GMT -6
LoL. My first post, and I get called a State fan. That too, is cute. Consider yourself initiated, lol. Thanks for posting, I actually agree with your original post. The comparison of stats between these games means next to nothing. That was Oregon's first game of the year. If we play them last week we dont score and we give up a TD every other play. Arizona also beat Oregon on the road early in the season, so theres that tidbit as well. Shows how much Oregon improved throughout the year. Also, I have no problem with keeping Glenn. And while his loyalty to his staff is admirable, its also quite annoying as a fan of a team that performed the way it did. Would have liked to see a shake up. |
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Post by yotefan on Dec 9, 2014 13:54:22 GMT -6
Coyoteg16, I don't see where anyone called you a State fan. That'd be a pretty harsh thing to do to a first time poster. =) Re-read the thread and I think you'll see what I mean. Happy to have your participation on the board.
Golfingyote, Iceman's post says it all, "Stats are compared everywhere you look." Although you may argue such comparisons mean next to nothing, the lay of the sports landscape says otherwise as it happens all the time.
The pertinent part of my post concerning the aforementioned stats began with, "Some interesting comparisons between USD's box score and Pac-12 South Champion Arizona's box score." Those were USD's numbers and those were Arizona's numbers against a common opponent, it doesn't matter when the games occurred. If that was the case all stat comparisons throughout the course of any season would be irrelevant. If you have ever read the Game Notes prior to any USD football or basketball game, such stats are kept and touted all the time. That's SID writing 101.
If you don't believe me see today's women's basketball game notes against Valpo where it is noted that "South Dakota ranks 25th in the nation in scoring offense (80.9)" To use your argument, those numbers don't mean anything because we're early in the season. So, even though we played at Kansas and lost 60-68, the Jayhawks are clearly going to get better so keeping such statistics means nothing. Or to now pick on the new guy in Coyoteg16, those numbers are cute, but irrelevant. Sorry guys, but every SID in the country will disagree with you.
If you look at today's men's basketball game notes against Creighton it states that Tyler Larson "leads the Summit League and ranks 29th nationally with his three double-doubles." We haven't even played a Summit League game yet, but the stats are what they are and they are still true. The whole point of these SID Game Notes and of my post is to get folks excited about the Coyotes. That's what sports is all about. Finding common threads and glimmers of hope. I have weathered my share of dismal seasons as a Coyote fan and believe me, sometimes a glimmer of hope is all you have to be positive about. That's one of the reasons these fan boards exist in the first place. Happy to have you both on the board.
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Post by golfingyote on Dec 9, 2014 14:19:24 GMT -6
Im just saying you can play that game the other way too. NAIA Finalist Marian Indiana had actually better numbers statistically against a common opponent William Penn. If we are going to use the transitive property when comparing football teams, Marian is then closely comparable statistically to USD. Thats why I often find these comparisons to be irrational. In every encouraging statistical comparison using this method, you can find one equally discouraging. They had a segment on using this type of comparison on college gameday one morning, was extremely interesting and I wish I had the ambition to find a link!
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Post by yote14 on Dec 9, 2014 15:44:17 GMT -6
I'm not saying we played awesome against Oregon but I see the point of the first game of the year when we were 100% healthy and injury free we played very well against a potential FBS national champion.
For some people this is enough to have a glimmer of hope that we may have a shot at being .500 or better next season if we stay healthy. I will buy that for now until I see the final recruiting class in February. That may change my decision as I am sure Glenn only has a $300 prepaid Casey's gas card for a recruiting budget and we will see all of the good kids choose NDSU and Northern Iowa over us because they actually have the budget and staff to show kids time and then we will wonder what Glenn is doing wrong in not making the program a winner and demand changes to the next head coach we will only pay minimum wage and a free meal plan at the MUC until he fails.
But I will buy that for now..........
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Post by nccyote on Dec 10, 2014 11:17:10 GMT -6
As a former college player and coach, I find this "Oregon" argument completely senseless. So we had similar numbers to an Arizona team against the #2 team in the country. So what? Arizona had a great year in the Pac-12 and made it to the post-season. USD had a disappointing year and went 2-10. I don't get how this comparison has any bearing on anything.
If these stats were worth a hill of beans, we would have scored more than 21 TDs against FCS/NAIA opponents. Bottom line, when trying to gauge how a game might go, the only real thing people can do is compare stats and common opponents. So to sit and argue about whether its important or not seems utterly useless to me. We got waxed by Oregon. Arizona had similar stats and also got waxed. So does that mean it would be a competitive game between the U and Arizona...don't think so. I know its December, and there isn't a lot to talk about, but come on fellas.
By the way, I fully support Glenn and Staff. Change is not always the answer. I think they have recruited well and need some time for these young guys to develop. The last resurgence of USD football happened when Austin was fired (deservedly so) playing with a lot of young talent. Ed came in and got us to play well and those young guys eventually had a great run as JRs and SRs....winning our last conference title in Football in 2005 and even going to quarterfinals in the D II playoffs in '06. Give these guys a chance to develop talent and I think we will see drastic improvement in the next couple of years. It sounds like this year's recruiting class has some difference makers it in as well. If not, then we know its time to make a change.
3 years is not enough time for a staff to rebuild. i know that we are all anxious, but would we rather give a proven winner more time to build or totally clean house and roll the dice on someone new, who would need at least another 2-3 years to recruit to his system anyway. It makes sense to stick with Joe.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 10, 2014 17:02:34 GMT -6
3 years is not enough time for a staff to rebuild. i know that we are all anxious, but would we rather give a proven winner more time to build or totally clean house and roll the dice on someone new, who would need at least another 2-3 years to recruit to his system anyway. It makes sense to stick with Joe. 3 years might not be enough time to totally rebuild, although I don't think Ed's players were as bad as some like to think. What 3 years is, is plenty of time to gauge the direction of a program and this program is headed in one direction and that is a complete spiral downward. There has been no improvement whatsoever and common sense says the program has regressed. What good is another year going to do. Lets stop the inevitable and get this program truly on the process to healing with a complete top to bottom scrub down of the program. We have our change to the basketball program and last night is an indication of how far a program can come in a fairly short time period. I believe the right coaching staff with the right assistants can produce a dramatic turnaround in year #1 but for sure in year #2. |
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Post by obc on Dec 10, 2014 17:33:33 GMT -6
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MD
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Post by MD on Dec 10, 2014 17:34:56 GMT -6
Coyoteg16, I don't see where anyone called you a State fan. That'd be a pretty harsh thing to do to a first time poster. =) Re-read the thread and I think you'll see what I mean. Happy to have your participation on the board. Ah, yes I see it now. My bad. Reading too fast. i dint due gude en skule. I admittedly joined the board to vent a little after sitting through 2-10. I get that there are 2 view points on Joe and enjoy reading those who have the opposite opinion as mine. Which makes a message board, a message board I suppose. I look forward to exchanging views in the future. |
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Post by yoteforever on Dec 10, 2014 19:13:25 GMT -6
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Post by canislatrans on Dec 10, 2014 19:50:55 GMT -6
"I dint due gude en skule" um, now you're sounding like a State fan.
Just kidding coyoteg16, can tell you're a true Yote fan!
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Post by yote14 on Dec 11, 2014 9:19:38 GMT -6
Anyone that wants to roll the dice on finding someone that will change the program around in 1 or 2 years I would like you to answer one question.
Who will you get when you pay 30% of market value?
Common sense says if your paying McDonalds wages you will get McDonalds workers. You do not find Nobel Peace Prize winners at McDonalds just like until we get our program into a place where we have more money Joe is a far better coach than what we could get for the money we are spending.
Some of the staff that he was forced to keep is another story. That can be debated but until we solve the money problem quit acting like there is a better solution than Joe out there. It's a hope like finding a unicorn or bigfoot. We will be in the woods screaming like a Yetti and claiming we see things but we all know it does not exist. FIX THE FINANCIAL INVESTMENT INTO THE PROGRAM.
Pelini going to YSU shows how tough the Valley was and is going to be. A program 3 years eligable is going to have some tough sledding gaining traction in a conference like this. Respect the process a little with all those facts considered.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Dec 11, 2014 9:33:04 GMT -6
Let's not go crazy on this Pelini talk. He isn't there and hasn't taken the job. It is fun to joke about, but until it actually happens, I wouldn't hold your breathe.
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Post by jackjd on Dec 11, 2014 10:39:50 GMT -6
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