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Post by canislatrans on Aug 6, 2015 10:09:08 GMT -6
Dom Izzo knows more about FCS football than most, but I'm not buying that one.
But hey, you Jacks fans, you can take our 12 votes and start braggin'
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Post by usdguy99 on Aug 6, 2015 13:42:51 GMT -6
If you read the comments after his column, the first comment also makes some solid points. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 14:37:10 GMT -6
If you read the comments after his column, the first comment also makes some solid points. So USD deserves votes because they played Montana close in the 3rd week of the season last year? I don't see how that is a big enough claim for them to garner preseason votes. UND lost to Montana by 3 last year yet, they didn't get 1 vote. WIU and SIU won multiple conference games last season. Why didn't they get any votes? Like others have said, its just a preseason poll. Teams will land where they are supposed to be during the season. |
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Post by sdyotefan on Aug 6, 2015 16:02:42 GMT -6
I used the Montana game as an example of how tough the Valley is compared to other conferences. If anyone is over rated in the poll it is the bunnies as one of my previous posts indicated!!
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Aug 7, 2015 10:40:30 GMT -6
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 7, 2015 20:01:00 GMT -6
Lets take an objective look at how USD has faired outside the conference since they have been a member of the Missouri Valley. I am only including D1 FCS opponents for fairness.
at Montana - Loss
vs Colgate - Win
vs UC Davis - Win
at Northern Arizona - Loss
vs Montana - Loss
at Montana - Loss
vs Northern Arizona - Win
They are 3-4 in non conference games. USD is mainly an honorary member of the Big Sky during the last 3 years. I would like to see them play other conferences for a change. They obviously don't fair well with Montana and split with Northern Arizona. They beat Davis at home but still have to return that trip. If I recall Colgate is a non scholly program but I may be mistaken, if so that game barely counts. I don't think this non conference is conclusive enough to really judge one way or another how USD would fair in another conference. In most conferences I see them being about middle of the pack but probably not good enough to make the playoffs. You could probably make an argument either way whether they would be above or below .500 in other conferences. One of the biggest problems is that USD doesn't often beat the middle or bottom of the pack MVFC programs so that doesn't bode well for their argument as far as how they would do elsewhere. The bottom line is that USD is a member of the MVFC by choice and so their home conference is how they should be judged and by that measurement they are an epic fail.
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 9, 2015 9:42:08 GMT -6
The only thing your analysis proves is that USD has a hard time beating Montana. Against all other schools not named Montana we're doing just fine.
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Post by 91jack on Aug 10, 2015 8:39:00 GMT -6
No, it's not really that far out of the realm of possibility that USD has a top 30 FCS football program. Take us out of the MVFC and the record would look much different, much better. Head to head we would compete and win in most other conferences. Alas, we are in the MVFC and that is the schedule we play so those are the teams we have to beat. It reminds me of the old D2 days when an NSIC team would be highly ranked and those fans actually thought they could compete at an NCC level. I recall one year in the 90's we were a bottom half NCC team and Winona St came here for a game. Actually, the game was played in Yankton since the Dome roof was under construction. We laid the wood to them and beat them up pretty good. We went on to finish in the bottom half of the NCC and they went on to win out in the NSIC and made the playoffs. I believe UND then took them to the woodshed in the first round of the playoffs. Point is if USD was in the NSIC we would have rolled through that conference and been a playoff team, instead we suffered a losing season. The record was not a good indicator of how good the team was when comparing USD to other D2 teams nationwide. Alot of similarities to today in the MVFC. We have a good team and can beat many other FCS teams, we just are not good enough right now to compete for our conference title. This is a really good post. You hear a lot of talk about the SEC in college football and last year the MVFC was more dominate. Of course, other than NDSU, they weren't as dominate in the last few years. |
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Post by 91jack on Aug 10, 2015 8:43:11 GMT -6
The only thing your analysis proves is that USD has a hard time beating Montana. Against all other schools not named Montana we're doing just fine. I understand taking Montana out of the equation. They are a force most years and USD has had problems with them. I would also take Colgate out of the equation. The other poster stated that they are non-scholarship so that really isn't much of a win either. That makes USD 2-1. Not much of a sample size but it is good none the less. |
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Post by yanktonyote on Aug 10, 2015 10:35:02 GMT -6
Colgate was a playoff team that year.
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 10, 2015 10:36:26 GMT -6
True, Colgate wasn't much of a win because of their scholarship situation. Still, there are quite a few non-scholarship programs in the FCS and Colgate did go on to win out the rest of their schedule that season. What does that say about the overall level of play in the FCS? USD, a team that won 3 MVFC games that season and finished in the bottom half beat a team, soundly, that not only went on to win its FCS conference but went undefeated the rest of the year.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 10, 2015 12:17:19 GMT -6
You guys are off a little on some of these facts. USD's win over Colgate was our only win of the season back in 2012. We went winless in the MVFC (1-10 overall), Colgate followed with a win over Sacred Heart, a loss to Stony Brook, then swept their Patriot League schedule before losing to Wagner in the first round of the playoffs. Fun fact: Colgate actually played in the national championship game against Delaware in 2003, losing 40-0.
Point is the MVFC is tops in the FCS, and just a whole galaxy away from some leagues such as the Patriot.
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 10, 2015 12:50:59 GMT -6
I guess it is getting hard to keep track of all our losses  . These losing seasons are all merging together in my mind. So we went winless in the MVFC that year but beat a playoff team in OOC action. Actually, further proves my point about the MVFC in relation to the rest of the FCS. |
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Post by yotemeal on Aug 10, 2015 13:21:28 GMT -6
Our very modest catalog of respectable non-conference wins and close calls with the Montanas of the world, coupled with our woeful conference record, has created an interesting narrative. Within the conference, we are widely viewed as inadequate in every regard. But often when MVFC zealots reference our program to outsiders, we represent the "bottom" of the classic "top to bottom" strength argument. So while we are the butt of many jokes inside the family, it is regularly acknowledged we have the demonstrated horsepower to find more success in lesser conferences (which is all of them). Not an earth-shattering conclusion, and certainly not one in which I take a lot of solace. But it's worth remembering as we begin anew and watch for signs of improvement. The top of the MVFC mountain is nowhere in sight, but that isn't a realistic immediate goal anyway. We need to win conference games, home and away, and avoid embarrassing blowouts. We need to harness the recognition that the starting point to such an ascent is higher than we might think. Capture some momentum and build on it. That requires big-time effort on many fronts, on and off the field, by players, coaches, administrators and donors. Broken record, I know.
There's an odd sort of peace that accompanies low expectations. My rose-colored glasses have lost considerable hue over the past few seasons, so I don't enter this year anxiously considering outside playoff prospects. And I think many others feel the same way. Right out of the gates, we have nothing to lose, and I hope we play like it.
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 10, 2015 13:59:03 GMT -6
Yeah, I don't have many expectations. Beat Drake, that's about it.
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. These losing seasons are all merging together in my mind. 
