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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 10, 2015 17:55:47 GMT -6
So according to some of the vibes if the Yotes won all their non conference games every year and lost all their games in the MVFC it would be considered a successful season. There wouldn't be anything close to a playoff appearance but the Coyotes would have those non conference bragging rights despite a 3-8 record every year. Sounds like alot to be proud of.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 10, 2015 18:41:39 GMT -6
So according to some of the vibes if the Yotes won all their non conference games every year and lost all their games in the MVFC it would be considered a successful season. There wouldn't be anything close to a playoff appearance but the Coyotes would have those non conference bragging rights despite a 3-8 record every year. Sounds like alot to be proud of. It's just offseason speculation filling the void. Do you really think anyone will be pleased with another losing season? |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 10, 2015 19:19:47 GMT -6
So according to some of the vibes if the Yotes won all their non conference games every year and lost all their games in the MVFC it would be considered a successful season. There wouldn't be anything close to a playoff appearance but the Coyotes would have those non conference bragging rights despite a 3-8 record every year. Sounds like alot to be proud of. It's just offseason speculation filling the void. Do you really think anyone will be pleased with another losing season? I do think there would be some people pleased with a 4-7 type season. |
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Post by golfingyote on Aug 11, 2015 6:48:04 GMT -6
I understand judging a team and a coach on wins and losses. We all do it and use it as a measuring stick from season to season, team to team, and conference to conference. At the same time, most people on this board are smart enough to understand that the Yotes are not going to have a winning record this season barring an astonishing turnaround and improvement and many positions,a miracle frankly. I think alot of us just want to see improvement from last year, and at the very least a Coyote team that can make it through 1 season in this conference reasonably healthy. USD was outscored 300-131 in conference games last year. yup...soak that number in. Just being competitive with a chance to win in 1/2 of our conference games would be nice to see this year.
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Post by fightsd on Aug 11, 2015 6:49:42 GMT -6
It's just offseason speculation filling the void. Do you really think anyone will be pleased with another losing season? I do think there would be some people pleased with a 4-7 type season. Just out of curiosity CF, what kind of record would it take for you to be pleased with the season? |
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Post by sdyotefan on Aug 11, 2015 7:33:18 GMT -6
I can't believe some of you are still reading coyote fan's comments. I haven't read them for months and my visits to this site are much more pleasant!!
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Aug 11, 2015 8:28:50 GMT -6
Hopefully nobody is ever satisfied, at least not until a championship is won. But that isn't a reasonable expectation. If one wants to determine progress for a team, then you need to set reasonable expectations.
I can't remember anybody saying that just winning the non-conference games would be satisfactory. That being said, beating KSU would be huge.
Speaking for myself, I said that I needed to see AT LEAST 4 wins to show that the team is improving. They can come from anywhere, but the obvious choices come from UC-Davis, Drake, YSU, WIU, Mo State, and SIU. I think they are all winnable. SDSU is at home and ON PAPER should be down, but I am not naive enough to call them a win. Thankfully, in a rivalry game, anything can happen. Nothing is impossible, but KSU, NDSU and ISU are as close to impossible as they come, in my opinion. Northern Iowa on the road is right there as well, but we have done it in the past.
CF, the above, in my opinion, is a reasonable view of the season and a baseline for setting expectations. I think 4 wins is the minimum expectation - passing grade, but disappointing. Its my hope that we can get 5 from the "winnable" category and then catch some breaks in one or two others to get above .500. If we got 6 wins, yeah, I am going to be pretty damn proud of our boys.
Success is all relative and getting from 2 wins last season to 6 wins this season would be a success.
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 11, 2015 9:28:15 GMT -6
Completely agree with Cousin Eddie in his analysis and my expectations are similar. That said, I was thinking about this on my way to work this morning. Out of the blue it just popped into my head, if USD goes through another season like we did last year a change has to be made. I like Joe, I think he's a great guy and a heck of a coach, but if we don't start seeing some light at the end of the tunnel that means something just isn't working and it's time to try something else. I think I'm like a vast majority of Coyote Football fans, I'm not expecting to dominate the world, I just want to see some progress, that we are turning the corner and good things are on the horizon. That light at the end of the tunnel.
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Post by formeryote on Aug 11, 2015 10:07:34 GMT -6
Agree Eddie & Yote53 about reasonable expectations. I’d like to shoot a 70 today, but I’m a 14 handicap, so what’s reasonable? Not 70. With that said, there has to be a trend line of improvement though. I like Joe too, but there needs to be measurable improvement from last season.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 11, 2015 11:07:41 GMT -6
Does Joe plan on being here much longer? I have been under the impression since he was hired that this was going to be about a four year situation. Plans can change, and he might win two games and not be offered another chance, but we might be looking at a big change regardless of this year's results.
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Post by yotemeal on Aug 11, 2015 12:43:52 GMT -6
I think even the most patient program loyalists would start to unravel if changes are not made after this season, assuming we have another bad year. Those with a more aggressive lean wanted heads after last year. If change is required, Joe deserves a soft landing. But I would find it profoundly disappointing if the keys were simply handed over to a current assistant. A national search is a must.
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Post by fightsd on Aug 11, 2015 13:51:34 GMT -6
I would be surprised if Joe is around next season regardless of what happens this year. He wants to retire. I honestly think he only stayed this year because he didn't want his assistants to be out of a job.
As far as future options go, anything less than a national search and an increased budget for salary would be a disappointment. If changes are going to be made, we had better go ahead and make them. If you think about, it's been the same program since we hired Ed. After he was released, we kept the same staff, roster, and playbook. Same team with a different face.
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Post by 88grad on Aug 11, 2015 14:55:03 GMT -6
Agreed - too soon to speculate on the future of the current coaching staff; not too soon to say that if we have another embarrassing season it's time to clean house. Also agreed more money will need to be used to hire a new staff if that is what comes to pass. Every other sport has show signs of improvement if not outright thriving and it's time for football to do the same.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 11, 2015 23:12:21 GMT -6
I do think there would be some people pleased with a 4-7 type season. Just out of curiosity CF, what kind of record would it take for you to be pleased with the season? It would take 6-5 for me to be pleased. That would be substantial improvement. I am glad to read that more people are going to be fed up if things don't significantly improve this season. I won't allow myself to lower my standards to the point of accepting anything less than a .500 season being considered good. If the Yotes clean house from top to bottom after this season assuming it doesn't go very well I will regain a sense of optimism again. I think it should have happened after last season but unfortunately it didn't. At this point in time as long as the coaching staff continues to remain as it is I have pretty much a pessimistic view and will continue to lose most interest in things such as recruiting or whatever else doesn't center on truly improving this program. I refuse to support this type of program with my attendance until I see intangible efforts being made by the University to show they care about the football program. I will still be following though. I believe with the right staff and right dedication from administration that USD can be successful in the Valley but that time is not now. When Glenn took over the program and basically left the assistants the same it was strike one before he ever coached his first game. After his first season the common sense indication was that he wasn't gonna be the same type of coach that he was in the past. Usually good coaches make an impact in their first year. Ed certainly did that before lifting the program only to eventually end up wearing out his welcome. The first year certain did prove to be an indicator of things to come when it comes to the Glenn era. If the only way I could guarantee a change after this season was to lose every game 80-0 than it would be worth some more additional suffering for the long term good. Herbster made a good decision with the Smith hiring for basketball and as long as he surrounds himself with people in the know he can do the same thing for football. Long term it is not a lost cause, it just is this year. |
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Post by yote14 on Aug 12, 2015 10:49:09 GMT -6
It's unfair to judge Glenn on the past 4 years simply on record. It's also unrealistic to think it would no doubt be better if they hired someone else 4 years ago.
I understand why they kept a lot of the coaches that were here under Ed. I didnt like it but they had success under Ed and the salaries the program could pay at the time were significantly under the market value. Same thing with the head coach salary. Expecting we could hire a Bo Pelini 4 years ago is also unrealistic. So we got a proven coach for a bargain price compared to a coach completely new to the D1 scene who would be a coin flip at best. We are just now hiring a football staff that matches the other programs in the MVFC. We also have a coach that helped aid in setting the program up with experience at one of if not the best FCS schools (Montana) and an FBS school for pointers.
Salaries need to come up still but its all part of the process. I researched it a little a year ago or so and I'm not certain but I beleive this year is the first year we receive revenue sharing with the different conferences. That will help catch up.
I feel like a majority of the shortcomings over the past 4 years have been road blocks and obstacles out of Glenn's control (facilities, coaching staff size, salaries, recruiting budget, travel limitations, a tough schedule) and Urban Meyer would not have faired much better. I know its hard to do but we need to really respect the shitty role Glenn had to step into and be extremely thankful we had a guy of his caliber willing to do it.
That being said regardless of what happens this season it will probably be a good year to start an external search for a new coach. Glenn is probably ready to move on and the program will benefit from it now that we are in a better place financially and staff wise.
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