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Post by Cousin Eddie on Nov 21, 2015 16:13:33 GMT -6
The guy who started the rumor was the one talking about it on the radio Post was supposed to say I heard him (JT) talking about jeb on the radio. Damn phone lol Jed |
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Post by yotesfan1985 on Nov 21, 2015 18:37:09 GMT -6
Joe will be the MFHC next year and he should be. We would go backwards if there was a change
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Post by Yotes on Nov 21, 2015 18:57:02 GMT -6
Joe will be the MFHC next year and he should be. We would go backwards if there was a change I would expect a large step backwards if we went with a new staff next year. All hinging on Joe and whether or not he is willing to give more years to the profession. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 21, 2015 18:59:07 GMT -6
Joe will be the MFHC next year and he should be. We would go backwards if there was a change Backwards from what. It would be awfully hard to go backwards from being outscored 66-3 over the last 5 quarters. The Coyotes are not trending upward and still aren't very competitive againt the mid level and top level conference teams when it comes to actual wins and losses. Glenn couldn't have done much worse over the past 4 years with his conference record and was never able to even finish .500 in the Valley in 4 tries. Isn't that enough opportunities already. 4 years is plenty of time and as long as Glenn continues to be stubborn and keep guys like Beschorner in his job this year is likely the ceiling of what this football program can do. The schedule is not going to setup as friendly next year. The difficult games will be at home and the easier games on the road. In Glenn's odd years in the program the Yotes are 0-16 in the conference and the schedule is likely to not be as friendly in the Valley next year because the Yotes don't win the tough Valley games at home. I see this program as better this year but not to the point where it is considered a success. It's time to go on to bigger and better things and look to the future of Coyote football. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 19:11:08 GMT -6
What does Mrs Glenn think? I always feel like the significant other has a large influence. Sometimes it's just time to move on with your life.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 21, 2015 20:02:42 GMT -6
As far as scoring offense and defense are concerned the Coyotes finished up ranked as follows in conference games
South Dakota was 9th in offense and over 40 points away from 8th.
South Dakota was 6th in defense but 37 points behind 5th place.
In scoring margin South Dakota was 9th at -77 only ahead of Missouri State.
If it wasn't for Missouri State the Coyotes would be last in offense and in scoring differential. Glenn's decision to keep going with Wes is without a doubt hurting this program. Even that Coyote vaunted defense is actually a below average defense in the conference and are not even close to the better defense's in the conference.
The Yotes were actually opportunistic this year winning their two closest games which helped them greatly in the standings.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 21, 2015 20:25:35 GMT -6
Literally everyone who has paid even the smallest bit of attention to the team this year agrees that the team is greatly improved. Box scores and cherry picked statistics will never tell the whole story and debating them with you wouldn't go anywhere anyways. I agree that changes to the support staff would be nice but if Joe wants another year then he has every right to return as our head coach next season.
If we have no news by the end of the day Monday I think we will know who our guy is.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 21, 2015 20:31:22 GMT -6
What does Mrs Glenn think? I always feel like the significant other has a large influence. Sometimes it's just time to move on with your life. Being a football widow has to be tough. They had a taste of retirement those few years Joe was out of football so Mrs. Glenn should have a good feel for the alternative. I get the impression the Glenns are set on maintaining their residence in Vermillion into their retirement if that makes any difference. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 21, 2015 20:36:12 GMT -6
Herbster is already a year late in making the change that needs to be made. Let's not double that and make it two years. Even if Glenn had a good year this year he is pretty much a dead end coach at this point with no one on the staff being worthy of the head coaching job. The future is going to happen, why not allow that to happen immediately instead of waiting for the inevitable. Lets raise our standards here a bit Coyote Fans.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 21, 2015 21:09:04 GMT -6
Firing Joe Glenn would be nothing short of disastrous for the program. No qualified candidate would think about coming to town and all the young talent would look to transfer. If he retires, so be it. But Herbster would have to be out of his mind to not offer another year.
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Post by tman28 on Nov 21, 2015 21:47:35 GMT -6
Firing Joe Glenn would be nothing short of disastrous for the program. No qualified candidate would think about coming to town and all the young talent would look to transfer. If he retires, so be it. But Herbster would have to be out of his mind to not offer another year. I kind of agree with you..... but as out there as coyotefan's opinions are, shouldn't 5-6 being your best record in four yrs get you fired? At least anywhere with expectations... and that's not me picking a fight because you have to respect coach Joe Glenn! (I think that is his point) When you rebuild sometimes stuff like you mentioned happens. But I for one do not expect the yotes to be even 5-6 next yr because they are losing way to many good players. Just my opinion as a observer. |
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Post by Yotes on Nov 21, 2015 23:11:15 GMT -6
Firing Joe Glenn would be nothing short of disastrous for the program. No qualified candidate would think about coming to town and all the young talent would look to transfer. If he retires, so be it. But Herbster would have to be out of his mind to not offer another year. I kind of agree with you..... but as out there as coyotefan's opinions are, shouldn't 5-6 being your best record in four yrs get you fired? At least anywhere with expectations... and that's not me picking a fight because you have to respect coach Joe Glenn! (I think that is his point) When you rebuild sometimes stuff like you mentioned happens. But I for one do not expect the yotes to be even 5-6 next yr because they are losing way to many good players. Just my opinion as a observer. Yes we are losing senior talent but there is definitely some young talent on the team waiting for their shot. A 6-5 season next year does not seem unreasonable to me but I do have a hard time seeing us making the next step to playoff status until we have a QB who can really put the team on his shoulders, something we are at least another year away from having (hoping Simmons or Woodward can fit the bill). I can also agree that under any normal circumstances that 5-6 being your best season after four tries is unacceptable. Joe did not come in under any normal circumstances though. The right move in this situation is to keep him if he wants another year. We really don't seem to have the cash to go out and hire a head coach above Glenn's caliber at the moment anyways. |
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Post by yotesfan1985 on Nov 21, 2015 23:17:57 GMT -6
I'm not going to call posters like cf an idiot but You are if you think simply changing head coaches is the best way to win more games. There are many other moving parts that makes winning in Vermillion difficult. But seriously what difference does your oppinion make cf. Its not like Herbster is going to make his decisions based on some Debby Downer on a chat board
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 22, 2015 0:22:10 GMT -6
I'm not going to call posters like cf an idiot but You are if you think simply changing head coaches is the best way to win more games. There are many other moving parts that makes winning in Vermillion difficult. But seriously what difference does your oppinion make cf. Its not like Herbster is going to make his decisions based on some Debby Downer on a chat board Why is winning in Vermillion any more difficult than winning in Brookings, SD or Macolm, IL or even Normal, IL for that matter. What is it about those towns that makes winning easier than it would be in Vermillion. If the final MVFC standing were based on the towns that the teams play out of then the standings would look much different than they are. Why is it in Brookings SD fans can have high expectations but in Vermillion for some reason fans will be chastized rather than applauded for having high expectations. SDSU fans are up in arms and unhappy and they just finished their season 8-3. We just had our butts handed to us and should some how be more accepting of our season than SDSU fans should be at 8-3 with a tougher overall schedule. Why is it that in football it's so hard to win in Vermillion but we don't seem to use that excuse in basketball. How is it that a women's basketball team in Vermillion can be more competitive against teams from Omaha, or Fort Wayne, or Indianapolis, or Denver, you get the point. The size of a city that a college plays in is mostly irrelevant. Basically fans of USD are telling me that it is unacceptable for me to want a new head coach despite the 4 year record that the Coyotes are coming off of. That is really amazing to me. If anything I am the one that should be critizing everyone else for accepting what has gone on over the last 4 years. That is really puzzling and I will never understand that way of thinking. Sorry but I refuse to lower expectations and if I am going to be critized for that, than so be it. A new head coach at the U will probably get more wins in 1 1/5 to 2 years in the Valley that Glenn got in 4 full years. It's preposterous to think that a new head coach would not exceed what Glenn has done. If you could rewind these last 4 years and go back to when Glenn was hired there is no way that anyone would accept the results of this football program if they knew what would be ahead in the next 4 years, let alone want to re-up for another year. Just play that back a time or two and hear just how ridiculous that sounds. People get way too attached to what is here now and don't have the foresight to think how much better it can and will get. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 22, 2015 1:29:07 GMT -6
Another interesting Stat which will mean nothing to those that don't think we should be measured against our peers.
Coyotes first 4 years in the Valley 6-26
Jacks first 4 years in the Valley 21-11 (13-3 in first 2 years)
The Valley may be tough and it may be a little tougher now vs a few years ago but it is not THAT much different. These are the types of things that need to be known by fans of the program and administrators of the program when deciding the decisions that will need to be made going forward. What this says is that the Jacks stepped right into the Valley and were competitive from day 1. The Jacks have completed their 9th year in the conference and have yet to have a losing season in the conference. The Coyotes have completed their 4th year in the conference and have yet to finish as high as even .500 in the conference. Basically the Jacks worse Valley season in 9 years is better than the Coyotes best Valley season so far. The Jacks have as many wins in their first year competing in the Valley than the Coyotes have had in their first four years. Wow, it took USD 4 years to match the Jacks first year total.
Basically what this says is that in no way are the Coyotes even on the same playing field as the Jacks when comparing the two programs. This is the Coyotes #1 rival to almost every Coyote Fan. As a fan base today the Jacks fans are more furious with a 8-3 season as the Coyote fans are with a 5-6 season. If these stats, feelings, expectations etc are not a red flag than I don't know what else would be.
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