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Post by yotesfan1985 on Nov 28, 2015 21:31:13 GMT -6
USD is conducting what many of you would call a national search. I've never understood the phrase myself because I highly doubt we are looking from Maine to California. I would think it is more of a regional search. Much debate will go on debating the merits of hiring an existing head coach, likely at a level below FCS. That could be D2 or D3. For easy referencing, Todd Hoffner or Glen Caruso. I only say them because of Coyote ties, not an endorsement in any manner. Or do you hire a coach that is a coordinator at an FBS or FCS school that has shown a good deal of success? I found it interesting Lou Holtz talked about this subject earlier this week on XM radio, and he said that if you want to be more assured of your hire, you want to hire a coach that's been a head coach. He said, and cited himself as an example years ago, it's really tough to go from being a coach "making suggestions" to one "making decisions". I thought about that a lot, and it makes sense to me for us to hire an existing head coach. Do I think Coach Stugart will be in the discussion, yes I do. Would he be considered a leading candidate? Not yet. I have heard he's a helluva guy, so I wouldn't rule him out at all. But this search will be detailed and broad. There is indeed a lot of interest and I'm grateful for that. Lastly, I want to address Wesley. This young man deserves an interview. Many of us have been frustrated at times with his play calling, myself included. But what we don't know is what our capabilities are by position. I think Ryan Saeger is a fine young man, but he isn't a threat with his arm on a consistent basis. Play calling might very well be designed around the abilities of your skilled players. Wes is a fine young man...period. Do I think he'll get it? No. Do I think he deserves an interview? Yes I do. One thing we should never do is turn on one of our own, especially with a resume like Wes. He might very well be one hell of a head coach. He no,longer would be OC. I wouldn't underestimate his abilities. However, all that being said, it would be a difficult sell to the fans. Unlikely he will get it, but I wish for him nothing but the absolute best. . I agree with your comments on Wes |
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Post by imacoyote on Nov 28, 2015 21:32:46 GMT -6
I guess I fail to see the hype with Brad Salem and why he should be a top candidate for the Coyote job if he wanted it. He was at Augustana for 5 years and had a modest 31-26 record so hardly dominated in D2. I believe he has now been with Michigan State 6 or 7 years and has only been quarterback's coach or running's back coach during that time frame. IMO that is not a big enough resume to be a head coach in the Valley. As far as I am concerned if he wasn't the OC or DC than I am not really interested unless he dominated as a head coach which he did not. I know USD people love the Salem name because of his father but he is not qualified to be the head coach here ahead of some of the other candidates that have been mentioned. The only coach I can think of that has ties to USD that I would want back would be Caruso. I maybe forgetting someone but there just isn't many qualified candidates that have USD ties. Ironically the ones that do have ties to USD that have the best resumes are the ones that coached under Meierkort, you know the guy that is personally hated more by the day by certain Coyote Fans. Also just on a nerdy football note, it's one of the more creative smash mouth offenses you will find. Michigan St is pretty innovative with the jet sweep action, tough to defend what they bring at a defense. You talk about the current vanilla offense, well this would give you some hope. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 28, 2015 21:44:03 GMT -6
I guess I fail to see the hype with Brad Salem and why he should be a top candidate for the Coyote job if he wanted it. He was at Augustana for 5 years and had a modest 31-26 record so hardly dominated in D2. I believe he has now been with Michigan State 6 or 7 years and has only been quarterback's coach or running's back coach during that time frame. IMO that is not a big enough resume to be a head coach in the Valley. As far as I am concerned if he wasn't the OC or DC than I am not really interested unless he dominated as a head coach which he did not. I know USD people love the Salem name because of his father but he is not qualified to be the head coach here ahead of some of the other candidates that have been mentioned. The only coach I can think of that has ties to USD that I would want back would be Caruso. I maybe forgetting someone but there just isn't many qualified candidates that have USD ties. Ironically the ones that do have ties to USD that have the best resumes are the ones that coached under Meierkort, you know the guy that is personally hated more by the day by certain Coyote Fans. Well Caruso was a coach under Ed too but I don't think it matters. Anyways I can't agree with you on this one. Have you seen the backs and QBs that have been developed in Lansing since he's been there?? It's a resume that is more than qualified to coach a mid tier MVFC program. That and he's also the recruiting coordinator there and they have hit on so many underrated guys over the years, it's a huge part of the reason that program has risen (#1 being Dantonio is a hell of a coach). With that said, I have no idea why he would come back for this job. Some may like him and that is fine. It's a matter of opinion. I would like to see a head coach that dominated as a head coach or an OC or DC that was really good at what he did. He has done neither. It's nice that he was a coach at Michigan State but just isn't high enough on their totem pole for me to judge what he has done at MSU as a success or failure. If you look at their list of coaches there are probably about 5-7 of them that seem to be in more important roles. Being good with the quarterbacks or runningbacks is not the same as running the entire offense. Why is he not OC by now if he is so good at his job. I default back to his job at Augustana. He wasn't bad but certainly not great either. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 28, 2015 21:53:05 GMT -6
I guess I fail to see the hype with Brad Salem and why he should be a top candidate for the Coyote job if he wanted it. He was at Augustana for 5 years and had a modest 31-26 record so hardly dominated in D2. I believe he has now been with Michigan State 6 or 7 years and has only been quarterback's coach or running's back coach during that time frame. IMO that is not a big enough resume to be a head coach in the Valley. As far as I am concerned if he wasn't the OC or DC than I am not really interested unless he dominated as a head coach which he did not. I know USD people love the Salem name because of his father but he is not qualified to be the head coach here ahead of some of the other candidates that have been mentioned. The only coach I can think of that has ties to USD that I would want back would be Caruso. I maybe forgetting someone but there just isn't many qualified candidates that have USD ties. Ironically the ones that do have ties to USD that have the best resumes are the ones that coached under Meierkort, you know the guy that is personally hated more by the day by certain Coyote Fans. Also just on a nerdy football note, it's one of the more creative smash mouth offenses you will find. Michigan St is pretty innovative with the jet sweep action, tough to defend what they bring at a defense. You talk about the current vanilla offense, well this would give you some hope. He has never been the OC there so we really don't know what kind of an offense he would run. He might go back to the offense he ran at Augie. The Jacks board is livid right now and tired of Stig's same old ways with their vanilla offense. When the Jacks decided to put it up they had much more success but they are run on 1st, run on 2nd, pass on 3rd and punt. They are very vanilla. Stig is a good coach but many people are getting tired of the way he makes decisions up at SDSU. Montana ran a very good offense in my opinion. Maybe the Yotes should take a few notes on what they did against that SDSU defense. In the first half they dominated them. They decided to take their foot off the gas and SDSU stepped it up in the second half but I give the Griz tons of credit for their game plan. I still think the Jacks are the better team but the Griz outcoached the Jacks today. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 28, 2015 22:13:26 GMT -6
Just a little bit more info on Stugart if he is indeed the hire. His offense is ranked #21 in D2. His passing offense is 33rd and his rushing offense is 54th. Pretty good balance overall. His defense is ranked #60. Rushing defense is 43rd and his passing defense is 99th. The Cougars are fairly balanced but are more powerful on offense than defense. They do protect the run well which is a good quality to have in the Valley. I like the fact that the offense is flexible and does well both running and passing but is definitely proficient in passing the football which I think is a good stretch to have in the conference.
I think it is important that if Stugart is the hire that a good defensive coordinator be hired since he seems to lean a little bit more to the offensive end. Regardless of who gets the job if it is a defensive coach than the money should be thrown at the OC, if it is an offensive coach then the money should be thrown at the DC.
I am getting myself prepared for Stugart to be the guy. With the rumors floating around and with him being a very likely Joe Glenn endorsement I am putting the odds of him being the guy at probably 50% and higher if an announcement comes before a week from Monday. If a national search truly gets done and we hear a list or names that gets narrowed down to 3 or 4 finalists than I believe his odds go down just a bit but would still consider him favored over any of the other candidates.
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Post by dklemme on Nov 28, 2015 22:48:26 GMT -6
It's not X's and O's it's the Jimmies and Joes. So Bohl "dominated" 1AA for several years. 3 national championships, impressive. His staff was able to recruit talent to North Dakota of all places. How do you think he'll end up doing at Wyoming? I'm guessing not so great in the long run. What I'm getting at is that just because you have success at one level, doesn't mean that will be so when you get called up to a higher one. You see the very rare cases of guys like Mazhlan and Sanchez (UNLV) going from high schools to D1 and people think that it's easy to go up levels and continue success. Not the case. Many crap the bed when they see it's a new monster they are dealing with. What is needed is a staff who can teach/coach athletes and recruit against the 2 No.Daks, Bunnies, and UNI schools. We need to steal talent in the recruiting process. They need to see what makes USD special to most of us and find something there that will make it special to them. We sit here and take time form our days to read, confirm, or reject others ideas because we are passionate about The Coyotes. The average person wouldn't do that. Coach/teach a scheme that the team believes in and can execute. And get the best possible athletes here to run the plan. I'm short a few grand this month so if we want to go SMU on the bit can somebody pick up the tab for me this month?  ? |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 29, 2015 0:09:41 GMT -6
When the talent level is equal than X's and O's become more important. IMO it's easier to have a program out coach their opposition rather than have them out talent them. It really comes down to eveyones individual opinion. Which translates better? A head coach that did really well at the D2 level but needs to make the jump up to FCS. Or would it be a coordinator at the FCS level that needs to make the jump to head coach. It can be argued either way but my opinion is that I would rather have the head coach jump up a level and stay head coach then a coordinator staying at the same level but jumping up to head coach. I think a good head coach translates from one level to another. It's the same game but with better talent. A good head coach can make that adjustement. A good coordinator cannot necessarily adjust to being a head coach.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Nov 29, 2015 7:42:09 GMT -6
Turning Augie into an eight win team (single season school record) in the short time he did from the dumpster fire they were is "dominating." Le'Veon Bell, Connor Cook, Recruiting Coordinator. His personal recruiting territory is this part of the country. Coached and learned under Mark Dantonio - more successful at MSU than Nick Saban!?!
If the comments about Salem didn't show how little you know about football, then the comments about Stugart sealed the deal. He is a defensive coach. His entire career has been spent on defense. He has very little to do with their offensive production. What if he doesn't bring his current OC?
Quit going to Wikipedia and spewing stats that you don't understand.
You are just flat wrong about coaching vs. talent. Great coaching can win the occasional game against anybody - if perfect, but consistently and sustained success can ONLY occur with great talent and player development.
Do you just think this is pro ball where there is a pool of great players looking for a job? Your deliberate ignorance of the need for recruiting, time for player development and chemistry blows my mind.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Nov 29, 2015 8:07:49 GMT -6
To everybody else - Yes. I realize I am a fool for letting myself get trolled by CF...
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 29, 2015 8:49:25 GMT -6
Lol
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 29, 2015 12:21:21 GMT -6
Turning Augie into an eight win team (single season school record) in the short time he did from the dumpster fire they were is "dominating." Le'Veon Bell, Connor Cook, Recruiting Coordinator. His personal recruiting territory is this part of the country. Coached and learned under Mark Dantonio - more successful at MSU than Nick Saban!?! If the comments about Salem didn't show how little you know about football, then the comments about Stugart sealed the deal. He is a defensive coach. His entire career has been spent on defense. He has very little to do with their offensive production. What if he doesn't bring his current OC? Quit going to Wikipedia and spewing stats that you don't understand. You are just flat wrong about coaching vs. talent. Great coaching can win the occasional game against anybody - if perfect, but consistently and sustained success can ONLY occur with great talent and player development. Do you just think this is pro ball where there is a pool of great players looking for a job? Your deliberate ignorance of the need for recruiting, time for player development and chemistry blows my mind. You can say what you want no matter how moronic it sounds. Do you really think USD is going to get talent substantially better than what NDSU, Illinois State and SDSU have. It's wishful thinking and if they are going to do that they might want to start recruiting Florida or California. The Coyotes are not going to out recruit those programs for this regions talent until the establish themselves as a program. First they need to get talent equal to those programs. What they can do is get a coach that can figure out ways to beat them with equal talent. Salem was mediocre with Augie and certainly not dominating. If you think 31-26 is dominating than you have some very wierd standards to what is dominating but then you probably thought the Coyotes had a good year this year and I can't really change that way of thinking. I am sure you were in the keep Glenn camp as well despite his 4 year record. Of course recruiting is important and of course player development is important and I have never denied that fact. I will never trust a guy that wears a white robe, lived in a run down RV and gets drunk and dumps his sewer into the street. You may think you are some bright scholar on football but you don't know nearly as much as you think you do and your judgement is very lacking. Sorry pal but Salem was not dominating at Augie. |
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Post by flashtaco on Nov 29, 2015 13:13:24 GMT -6
Turning Augie into an eight win team (single season school record) in the short time he did from the dumpster fire they were is "dominating." Le'Veon Bell, Connor Cook, Recruiting Coordinator. His personal recruiting territory is this part of the country. Coached and learned under Mark Dantonio - more successful at MSU than Nick Saban!?! If the comments about Salem didn't show how little you know about football, then the comments about Stugart sealed the deal. He is a defensive coach. His entire career has been spent on defense. He has very little to do with their offensive production. What if he doesn't bring his current OC? Quit going to Wikipedia and spewing stats that you don't understand. You are just flat wrong about coaching vs. talent. Great coaching can win the occasional game against anybody - if perfect, but consistently and sustained success can ONLY occur with great talent and player development. Do you just think this is pro ball where there is a pool of great players looking for a job? Your deliberate ignorance of the need for recruiting, time for player development and chemistry blows my mind. You can say what you want no matter how moronic it sounds. Do you really think USD is going to get talent substantially better than what NDSU, Illinois State and SDSU have. It's wishful thinking and if they are going to do that they might want to start recruiting Florida or California. The Coyotes are not going to out recruit those programs for this regions talent until the establish themselves as a program. First they need to get talent equal to those programs. What they can do is get a coach that can figure out ways to beat them with equal talent. Salem was mediocre with Augie and certainly not dominating. If you think 31-26 is dominating than you have some very wierd standards to what is dominating but then you probably thought the Coyotes had a good year this year and I can't really change that way of thinking. I am sure you were in the keep Glenn camp as well despite his 4 year record. Of course recruiting is important and of course player development is important and I have never denied that fact. I will never trust a guy that wears a white robe, lived in a run down RV and gets drunk and dumps his sewer into the street. You may think you are some bright scholar on football but you don't know nearly as much as you think you do and your judgement is very lacking. Sorry pal but Salem was not dominating at Augie. Go play on a busy street |
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Post by Yotes on Nov 29, 2015 13:29:14 GMT -6
X's and O's with zero emphasis on recruiting. Got it. Let's just go ahead and hire whichever student can win a campus wide Madden tournament.
I can't believe we are looking at roughly two more weeks of this. Come get me once things heat up and interviews are being held.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 29, 2015 13:39:02 GMT -6
X's and O's with zero emphasis on recruiting. Got it. Let's just go ahead and hire whichever student can win a campus wide Madden tournament. Please tell me where I said that recruiting wasn't important because I never did. The point I am making is even if the Coyotes hire a head coach that is a hell of a recruiter it is going to be difficult to out recruit the established FBS programs in this area. Until the Coyotes become a household name many players are going to choose SDSU, NDSU and UNI over USD at this point. Until the Coyotes are able to out recruit those programs at best they will have equal talent to those teams. If they recruit outside the region they can maybe pluck some good talent that way. My point is that right now the Coyotes are at best of equal talent to those other programs and probably have lesser talent. One very nice way to off set not having a talent advantage is to be able to out coach and out develop the talent that they get. We need a good X's and O's coach as well as a good player development coach. Maybe the Coyotes should try something different than they did over the past 4 years. |
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Nov 29, 2015 13:48:47 GMT -6
Having the best record in program history in back to back seasons is a smashing success. Bummer his record in first couple seasons were "poor" taking over a team that was in the tank. Are you seriously this nuts?
From Brad's profile:
In five seasons (2005-09) as head coach at Augustana College, Salem compiled a 31-26 record.
Salem led Augustana College to back-to-back 8-4 records and consecutive trips to the Mineral Water Bowl in 2008-09. The eight wins matched the school single-season record. In its first two seasons as members of the Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference, Augustana finished fourth and tied for third, respectively, in the final standings and had 10 players earn South Division first-team all-conference honors.
After getting off to a 3-0 start in 2009, the Vikings made their first appearance in the American Football Coaches Association Division II Top 25 since 1989. Augustana finished fifth in the NSIC in total offense that season, averaging 400.9 yards per game.
In 2008, Augustana won six of its last eight games, including a 37-16 victory over Missouri Western State in the Mineral Water Bowl in Excelsior Springs, Missouri, as the Vikings rushed for 281 yards and five touchdowns against the Griffons. Augustana ranked among the NSIC leaders in rushing offense (third at 203.7 ypg.), scoring offense (third at 30.8 points per game) and total offense (fourth at 379.7 ypg.) in 2008.
In his first season as head coach in 2005, Salem guided Augustana to a 6-5 record - the program's first winning season in three years.
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