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Post by Yotes on Nov 29, 2015 13:51:10 GMT -6
X's and O's with zero emphasis on recruiting. Got it. Let's just go ahead and hire whichever student can win a campus wide Madden tournament. Please tell me where I said that recruiting wasn't important because I never did. The point I am making is even if the Coyotes hire a head coach that is a hell of a recruiter it is going to be difficult to out recruit the established FBS programs in this area. Until the Coyotes become a household name many players are going to choose SDSU, NDSU and UNI over USD at this point. Until the Coyotes are able to out recruit those programs at best they will have equal talent to those teams. If they recruit outside the region they can maybe pluck some good talent that way. My point is that right now the Coyotes are at best of equal talent to those other programs and probably have lesser talent. One very nice way to off set not having a talent advantage is to be able to out coach and out develop the talent that they get. We need a good X's and O's coach as well as a good player development coach. Maybe the Coyotes should try something different than they did over the past 4 years. Have you looked at the roster before? There are only like a dozen SD kids and that includes some walk ons. We already are going outside the region to recruit kids. Development is important but you can't develop someone with no talent, which is where recruiting is big. I stand by my Madden tournament idea. It will be trying something different, as you requested. |
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Nov 29, 2015 13:57:32 GMT -6
I suppose you think Bill Snyder is just an OK coach based on his record.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 29, 2015 14:36:29 GMT -6
I endorse Mike Zimmer to be the next coach. He is tough defensive minded coach and if he brings Turner with him we will see the running style of football that many like. Zimmer isn't much of a recruiter but I will take my chances.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 29, 2015 14:42:41 GMT -6
I suppose you think Bill Snyder is just an OK coach based on his record. Not really looking for a 76 year old head coach so no thanks on that one. Glenn was old enough. |
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 29, 2015 15:48:15 GMT -6
Please tell me where I said that recruiting wasn't important because I never did. The point I am making is even if the Coyotes hire a head coach that is a hell of a recruiter it is going to be difficult to out recruit the established FBS programs in this area. Until the Coyotes become a household name many players are going to choose SDSU, NDSU and UNI over USD at this point. Until the Coyotes are able to out recruit those programs at best they will have equal talent to those teams. If they recruit outside the region they can maybe pluck some good talent that way. My point is that right now the Coyotes are at best of equal talent to those other programs and probably have lesser talent. One very nice way to off set not having a talent advantage is to be able to out coach and out develop the talent that they get. We need a good X's and O's coach as well as a good player development coach. Maybe the Coyotes should try something different than they did over the past 4 years. Have you looked at the roster before? There are only like a dozen SD kids and that includes some walk ons. We already are going outside the region to recruit kids. Development is important but you can't develop someone with no talent, which is where recruiting is big. I stand by my Madden tournament idea. It will be trying something different, as you requested. It's hard to put polish on a turd, but if you do, at the end of the day it's still a turd |
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Nov 29, 2015 18:00:01 GMT -6
Not saying these guys would be great prospects, but interesting nonetheless:
@espnrittenberg: Minnesota coach Tracy Claeys will not retain OC Matt Limegrover or QBs coach Jim Zebrowski. Had to be tough since he worked w/ both so long
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Post by bigOyote on Nov 29, 2015 19:48:58 GMT -6
I suppose you think Bill Snyder is just an OK coach based on his record. Not really looking for a 76 year old head coach so no thanks on that one. Glenn was old enough. Cus Ed, I was thinking the same thing. Surely he would understand the Manhattan Miracle but once again he missed the point like a, . . . like a, well I have no idea. There is no way someone that understands college football could miss that point. It is now becoming kind of sad. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 29, 2015 20:36:05 GMT -6
Not really looking for a 76 year old head coach so no thanks on that one. Glenn was old enough. Cus Ed, I was thinking the same thing. Surely he would understand the Manhattan Miracle but once again he missed the point like a, . . . like a, well I have no idea. There is no way someone that understands college football could miss that point. It is now becoming kind of sad. Since you are such a smart guy with such great ideas who are your top candidates for the head coaching job and why. |
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Post by 1egonspengler on Nov 29, 2015 21:55:22 GMT -6
Way too much energy spent on this subject. This baby has been tucked into bed for weeks. Professional courtesy of a pause in the action is all that remains.
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Post by bigOyote on Nov 29, 2015 22:04:43 GMT -6
Cus Ed, I was thinking the same thing. Surely he would understand the Manhattan Miracle but once again he missed the point like a, . . . like a, well I have no idea. There is no way someone that understands college football could miss that point. It is now becoming kind of sad. Since you are such a smart guy with such great ideas who are your top candidates for the head coaching job and why. I have no favorites since it would be a waste of time and energy. I will not be deciding and not asked for input. All I can do is hope for the best decision by the administration. Now if you were to ask me for my opinion as to what kind of football I would like to see, that would be a more beneficial question. I like an offense that runs the ball first and does not "throw it around". Defense needs to be stout and probably developed first at the expense of the offensive development. Recruitment needs to be national as it is now and as it was when I was in school. |
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Post by wintheday on Nov 29, 2015 22:29:31 GMT -6
Here's a guy not named Paul Rhoads that may not be too far fetched. Todd Sturdy, QB's coach, pass game coordinator, and became the OC for Iowa State after the dismissal of Mangino. The guy is from St. Ambrose Iowa so he knows the Wisconsin and Iowa landscape, was the OC at Eastern Washington and Washington State, and took over for the last 4 games. I am not even close to endorsing him, just throwing his name out there. I would take him over a guy like Lennon any day. He makes right at $205,000 so it would not be a difference at all. Again, I am not one who is looking for a guy with a spread offense philosophy, but for those of you that are, here is a way better candidate than a Lennon.
On that note however, I am expecting that phone interviews are finished by Wednesday and a new coach is either introduced by Friday or Monday. Just a complete guess on my part however.
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 29, 2015 22:55:06 GMT -6
I would like a coach to be named sooner than later, but if you don't have one named in the next week, that could mean it's do to the fact their target is in the playoffs. That would be a professional courtesy.
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Post by nccyote on Nov 30, 2015 8:11:25 GMT -6
I would think that naming a head coach and starting to get a staff put together before dead period (Dec. 21- Jan. 3) would be absolutely imperative for recruiting purposes. If its by Friday of this week, that would seem very fast to me. If thats the case, Herby probably had his idea of who would replace Joe Glenn prior to his retirement.
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Post by azsod73 on Nov 30, 2015 9:41:41 GMT -6
Regarding the timeline for announcing a new coach, i.e., if they name someone quickly it must mean they didn't do a national search. This could be misleading. What if Joe Glenn quietly told Herbster he was retiring before the end of the season and Herbster started the wheels turning days, or weeks, before the official retirement announcement?
Just my hunch but I think Glenn knew what he was going to do way before the public announcement.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Nov 30, 2015 10:05:32 GMT -6
Regarding the timeline for announcing a new coach, i.e., if they name someone quickly it must mean they didn't do a national search. This could be misleading. What if Joe Glenn quietly told Herbster he was retiring before the end of the season and Herbster started the wheels turning days, or weeks, before the official retirement announcement? Just my hunch but I think Glenn knew what he was going to do way before the public announcement. Based on the scuttlebutt out there, Joe's retirement has been the "general plan" all season. I would go so far as to suggest that the AD has been doing his due diligence for months - substantially similar to what he did with MBB when Joey was the interim. ***Take note that I said due diligence. Meaning, the AD was likely prepared for a number of scenarios - not formally doing anything per se. I have little doubt they would have at least engaged an outside search consultant to compile data and conduct preliminary screenings of potential candidates. |
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