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Post by Yotes on Apr 3, 2016 20:53:25 GMT -6
At best a WNIT title is comparable a NCAA bid and first round loss. This title essentially validates that we were wrongly passed on by the selection committee. I hope most fans can see this but I've heard enough people say otherwise and it's honestly disappointing that some can be so deluded to compare this to an Elite 8 run.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 21:22:35 GMT -6
At best a WNIT title is comparable a NCAA bid and first round loss. This title essentially validates that we were wrongly passed on by the selection committee. I hope most fans can see this but I've heard enough people say otherwise and it's honestly disappointing that some can be so deluded to compare this to an Elite 8 run. I completely agree with you. The WNIT teams are still good but they aren't top 25 teams in the country. People don't know how hard it is to win games in the NCAA tournament. AJ made that pretty clear.
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Post by yotesfan1985 on Apr 3, 2016 21:27:49 GMT -6
Butt hurt that SDSU didn't make the WNIT and win it? Nope. I'll take the 7 NCAA Tournament appearances and the 2 wins. It's a nice consolation prize for not making it. I'll give you that. Butt. Hurt. in all seriousness I would chose the NIT championship over making the NCAA and winning one. I respect the fact that others may disagree
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 3, 2016 21:35:44 GMT -6
Well choose for youself. Which is the tougher thing to do.
Beat Miami
or Beat Creighton, Minnesota, Northern Iowa, Western Kentucky, Oregon and Florida Gulf Coast in a 3 week span
As I said before no one would ever choose to take the WNIT over the NCAA tourney. But on the other hand all that it took for the Jacks to get to the tourney was 2 wins against poor conference teams and 1 mild upset against a very good team. That is an easier accomplishment than going 15-1 in the regular season which was one of the best records for a regular season champ in conference history.
Again no one is going to argue which is the more preferable choice. The argument is which is the more accomplished feat. Winning one game against a very good Miami team or 6 straight games against 6 very solid programs. The Jacks proved over the year to be the more inconsistent team between the two and that is why I think it would have been more difficult for the Jacks to pull off the WNIT title this year. They play one good game followed by a poor game. They weren't able to consistantly beat the good teams like the Yotes did. The Jacks lost twice to the Yotes and also lost to IUPUI. The Jacks also got lucky that they had help from Omaha in the Summit Tourney in taking down their nemesis IUPUI. USD also got lucky being able to be at home 5 of the 6 games of the tourney but they made the most of it.
So good for the Jacks making the NCAA tourney and winning the 3rd and most important game head to head. For the entirety of the season the Coyotes had the better year and the better team.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 3, 2016 21:38:46 GMT -6
in all seriousness I would chose the NIT championship over making the NCAA and winning one. I respect the fact that others may disagree For me I think it depends on if it's home or away. Part of what made this WNIT title so enjoyable was being able to attend the games and experience the energy that came with it.
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Post by sdyotefan on Apr 3, 2016 21:50:10 GMT -6
Saying making the NCAA tournament and a first round loss is better than a WNIT Championship is just foolish!! Really losing one vs. winning 6? Not a chance!! In this year's women's NCAA, 8 first round teams LOST by 25 points or more and that doesn't count the UConn game since they blow everyone out! Clearly some of those teams should not have been in the NCAA tourney and teams like USD and FGCU should have been!!
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Post by Yotes on Apr 3, 2016 21:58:41 GMT -6
Saying making the NCAA tournament and a first round loss is better than a WNIT Championship is just foolish!! Really losing one vs. winning 6? Not a chance!! In this year's women's NCAA, 8 first round teams LOST by 25 points or more and that doesn't count the UConn game since they blow everyone out! Clearly some of those teams should not have been in the NCAA tourney and teams like USD and FGCU should have been!! It's very debatable which one is more enjoyable for the fans of the team in question, but as far as accomplishments go it's a bit more cut and dry. WNIT title and one-and-done in the NCAA tournament are probably pretty even in that regard.
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Post by Roman on Apr 3, 2016 22:00:47 GMT -6
As long as entrance to the dance for mid major programs continues to not require being the best league team, winning the WNIT championship will always be better than a 1-loss appearance. Doesn't make any sense to me that if you're only going to allow one team from a conference why wouldn't it be the conference champs?
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Post by Roman on Apr 3, 2016 22:02:51 GMT -6
You can't put a tourney win in the trophy case.
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Post by Roman on Apr 3, 2016 22:12:23 GMT -6
Saying making the NCAA tournament and a first round loss is better than a WNIT Championship is just foolish!! Really losing one vs. winning 6? Not a chance!! In this year's women's NCAA, 8 first round teams LOST by 25 points or more and that doesn't count the UConn game since they blow everyone out! Clearly some of those teams should not have been in the NCAA tourney and teams like USD and FGCU should have been!! It's very debatable which one is more enjoyable for the fans of the team in question, but as far as accomplishments go it's a bit more cut and dry. WNIT title and one-and-done in the NCAA tournament are probably pretty even in that regard. I would agree with this if the best teams were in the NCAA tournament. Otherwise the desire to be associated with the "big boys/girls" is not flattering. Hardware is always better than being invited to participate.
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Post by sdyotefan on Apr 3, 2016 22:13:53 GMT -6
Obviously WNIT teams have beaten NCAA tourney teams often--just a couple of quick examples from this year--USD two games to one over the bunnies and Oregon beating Washington by 12 and we all remember what the Lady Yotes did to Oregon!
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Post by larobe on Apr 4, 2016 1:11:34 GMT -6
Lets set the bar a little higher,now that the "first to win a National Tournament" goal has been accomplished.Here's a new goal that's very,very difficult,that's the first to reach the "sweet 16" in the NCAA Tournament. SDSU has come pretty darn close twice,and might actually get there in the next couple of years.
Making the sweet 16 is much more difficult than people realize,even schools with a very rich and long tradition in Div one basketball have never done it,or have only done it once or twice.These schools have played much,much longer in Div 1 than either SDSU or USD. I used to read Purdue's message board, and they know how good of a team it takes to make a deep run in the NCAA Tournament.In their entire history,I think they've only won one National Championship,for example.If you have established dynasties like UConn blocking the way,forget it.
Back to the sweet 16,that's a reasonable goal and achievable for a good strong mid-major,but it still requires beating a #1,#2,#3, or #4 seed,depending on which pod one is placed in, according to the seed they've earned.That's having to beat a top ranked team all the way from the #1 in the nation to the weakest #4 seeded team in the tournament ,probably the 16th ranked team in the nation.On their home court to boot.That's why getting to the sweet 16 and beyond is considered such a great accomplishment.Sorry this post got a little long winded.
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Post by larobe on Apr 4, 2016 2:01:37 GMT -6
in all seriousness I would chose the NIT championship over making the NCAA and winning one. I respect the fact that others may disagree I have to disagree.What top 25 team did the Yotes beat to claim the title of 2016 WNIT Champions? Creighton...no, Minn...no, UNI...no, W.Ky...no, Oregon...no,FGCU...no.ALL good solid teams however. Not trying to dismiss the outstanding accomplishment of winning the WNIT ,or any 64 team Tournament for that matter. It takes an incredibly talented team to do that, and they should get a well deserved feeling of accomplishment, for accomplishing something very few schools have done and getting the satisfaction of seeing the name of their school forever etched into the record book. SDSU,although their time was brief,the road was much tougher...Miami ranked #19 in the top 25,then the disappointing loss to Stanford,also ranked in the top 25 polls,the game played on their home court. I think it's a little too much of people comparing and thinking one team has to be better than the other instead of acknowledging the fact that both teams are outstanding and deserving of some respect.But hey,I guess that's how rivals think.
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Post by larobe on Apr 4, 2016 2:35:55 GMT -6
Obviously WNIT teams have beaten NCAA tourney teams often--just a couple of quick examples from this year--USD two games to one over the bunnies and Oregon beating Washington by 12 and we all remember what the Lady Yotes did to Oregon! I agree with this too,lots of really good teams in the WNIT,especially those that got snubbed from participating in the NCAA Tournament as an at-large,after not winning the Conference auto bid.Most of the auto bids filled by the weaker Conferences get blown out by the higher seeds in rd one of the NCAA Tournament.Seeding is the strongest team vs the weakest,so blow outs happen,frequently every year in the first rd.
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Post by sdyotefan on Apr 4, 2016 7:20:50 GMT -6
Ah larobe you're basing your "analysis" on "ranking" and probably RPI and most of us know how accurate those indicators are. A couple of examples--I watched the Notre Dame women play several games this year before the tournament including the state game and it was obvious to me and I think most realistic observers that this ND team should not have been ranked #2 in the national "polls"! That was certainly proven in actual competition in the tournament. Washington's women were not highly ranked and the "experts" gave them only a .2% chance of making the final 4 and yet in actual competition they did! So state lost a competitive game to a "ranked 2" team and the Lady Yotes beat state 2 of 3 games in actual competition and lost a competitive game to an actual final 4 team!! So much for rankings!!!
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