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Post by usdtator on Dec 4, 2017 13:57:38 GMT -6
Awesome!!! Thank for posting that! Happy to finally see some artist renderings. Gonna be NICE when it's all done.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Dec 7, 2017 9:29:30 GMT -6
I hate to pee in everybody's cheerios, but I want you to know that those pictures are only concept drawings. The way the BOR changed things after the SDSU football stadium made it such that approval needed to be obtained before an architect could formally be hired, among other things. As such, what you see are suggestions from a needs study and concept suggestions. In addition, the project will be done in phases. $26M WILL NOT pay for everything that you see in those pictures. In fact, a great deal of what you see in those picture may, and likely will, be different. Point being, do not get married to what you see or you may be confused or possibly disappointed. As has been pointed out by YF and others, there is a great deal of infrastructure work that needs to be done in Phase 1, so the road is long. To get everything that you see in those photos, it is going to take much more money. Another thing to keep in mind, the Dome is still a multisport facility, not just dedicated to football. Specifically, it is a prominent indoor track team and facility. As such, some of the lower level permanent seating and those ground level coaches offices probably aren't possible. Instead, there may remain a need for retractable seating on the west side in order to retain full use of the track. There are many other considerations to keep in mind. While this may seem disappointing, it shouldn't necessarily. This is why YF has asked for input from the fans on here. The future is not yet written and new ideas, concepts and possibilities may emerge. Lastly, if you have an extra six or seven figures collecting dust between your couch cushions, you should consider giving the Foundation a call
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 7, 2017 10:09:06 GMT -6
The multi-use aspect is why the inverted bowl concept is a good one for this project. The lowest bowl could be retractable while the upper levels are permanent. Retractable seating does not mean "cheap wooden bleachers".
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 7, 2017 11:00:54 GMT -6
The multi-use aspect is why the inverted bowl concept is a good one for this project. The lowest bowl could be retractable while the upper levels are permanent. Retractable seating does not mean "cheap wooden bleachers". I think there are a lot of good examples of high-quality retractable seatbacks. The lower bowl of the T. Denny Arena in SF is one. That is a good point by Eddie, though, about the field-level offices not being feasible.
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Post by yoteforever on Dec 7, 2017 11:44:56 GMT -6
I hate to pee in everybody's cheerios, but I want you to know that those pictures are only concept drawings. The way the BOR changed things after the SDSU football stadium made it such that approval needed to be obtained before an architect could formally be hired, among other things. As such, what you see are suggestions from a needs study and concept suggestions. In addition, the project will be done in phases. $26M WILL NOT pay for everything that you see in those pictures. In fact, a great deal of what you see in those picture may, and likely will, be different. Point being, do not get married to what you see or you may be confused or possibly disappointed. As has been pointed out by YF and others, there is a great deal of infrastructure work that needs to be done in Phase 1, so the road is long. To get everything that you see in those photos, it is going to take much more money. Another thing to keep in mind, the Dome is still a multisport facility, not just dedicated to football. Specifically, it is a prominent indoor track team and facility. As such, some of the lower level permanent seating and those ground level coaches offices probably aren't possible. Instead, there may remain a need for retractable seating on the west side in order to retain full use of the track. There are many other considerations to keep in mind. While this may seem disappointing, it shouldn't necessarily. This is why YF has asked for input from the fans on here. The future is not yet written and new ideas, concepts and possibilities may emerge. Lastly, if you have an extra six or seven figures collecting dust between your couch cushions, you should consider giving the Foundation a call ^THIS^
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Post by yoteforever on Dec 7, 2017 11:56:38 GMT -6
Here's what I will say. I feel very strongly the first phase will get the finances raised and design approved and project done in the next 2 years. That's the $26M component. We are working extremely hard to raise that money and get the commitments we need to get this done. As Cousin Eddie pointed out, a considerable chunk of that money is needed to bring the infrastructure up to speed to accommodate everything planned out in all 3 phases.
The issue on the fund drive is the same people/businesses are being tapped again to make this happen, and my guess is they will step to the plate to ensure at minimum this gets done. After that, in order to finish it out, we are going to need several people come forth with pledges as well. I know for a fact that this committee will accept donations and pledges in any amount people feel comfortable making to improve our facilities. Please understand that it will take the generousity of many to make all 3 phases to happen. No gift will be turned down, and all gifts will be appreciated.
When I have asked for ideas and such in the past, now is the time to voice them so that no stone is left unturned. I value everyone's opinion, and my guess is some of those ideas will come to fruition and some won't for whatever reasons. I really want to get this project completed.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 7, 2017 12:27:08 GMT -6
Here's something different:
Seating that retracts from the floor rather than pulls out from the wall. You gain storage space while the seats are up, and the possibility of looking at windows (offices?) when the seats are down, rather than looking at the ugly wall of bleachers. Looks a lot more stable, too. I'm sure its not cheap, though...
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Post by yoteforever on Dec 7, 2017 13:14:35 GMT -6
Thank you. Cool idea
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 8, 2017 14:55:55 GMT -6
by the first rendering which is far from final it looks like that side will be made for suites and high donors more so than to maximize capacity. it looked like there were only about 15 rows of seating. instead of a large grand stand of 6k is would appear that 3k additional might be more like it. than the actual capacity could reach over 10k.
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Post by gopheryote on Dec 11, 2017 19:26:40 GMT -6
One thing I want to make sure happens with the dome is to not make a fatal flaw like they did with the Dyke. If the goal is to build facilities to attract players and fans to compete for national championships, it needs to be built with the idea it will hold quarter/semi final games (obviously). 12,000 - 14,000 should be expected for that game, right? So let's make sure it can hold that many.
The Dyke's design flaw was to build to play December playoff games way to far north for most fans to attend an outdoor December football game. (Unless it was built that size primarily to house the NDSU/USD games?)
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 11, 2017 19:59:01 GMT -6
One thing I want to make sure happens with the dome is to not make a fatal flaw like they did with the Dyke. If the goal is to build facilities to attract players and fans to compete for national championships, it needs to be built with the idea it will hold quarter/semi final games (obviously). 12,000 - 14,000 should be expected for that game, right? So let's make sure it can hold that many. The Dyke's design flaw was to build to play December playoff games way to far north for most fans to attend an outdoor December football game. (Unless it was built that size primarily to house the NDSU/USD games?) I am in agreement with that but I seriously doubt they will get the real capacity anywhere near 14K. I kind of envisioned a wall of seats that takes the fullest of advantage of the space that is given to it. They are probably going to focus more on the quality of the seats vs the quantity of them. The dome is a very high structure and they could build a grandstand way up there one would think. By basically starting from scratch it is surprising to me how many of the seats in their stadium are not between the goal lines. They have way too many endzone seats. They should have built the west side as high as the old Coughlin was at minimum and then built the east side higher as well. The best seats are between the 20's so why not put as many people as possible in that area.
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 11, 2017 21:56:52 GMT -6
I can't believe all the "too cold" talk. There are outdoor stadiums in Minneapolis, Green Bay, Madison, Ann Arbor, Iowa City, East Lansing, Chicago, need I go on? They pack those stadiums.
I've froze my butt off in Kinnick on some cold windy November days. Well, I didn't freeze, actually, I dressed appropriate and was so liquored up I couldn't feel anything, but I digress.
We're South Dakotans. We're tougher than all the talk I've heard in here. My guess is nobody showed up in Brookings because the opponent was weak and they blew them out.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 11, 2017 22:58:14 GMT -6
I can't believe all the "too cold" talk. There are outdoor stadiuns in Minneapolis, Green Bay, Madison, Ann Arbor, Iowa City, Wast Lansing, Chicago, need I go on? They pack those stadiums. I've froze my butt off in Kinnick on some cold windy November days. Well, I didn't freeze, actually, I dressed appropriate and was so liquored up I couldn't feel anything, but I digress. We're South Dakotans. We're tougher than all the talk I've heard in hear. My guess is nobody showed up in Brookings because the opponent was weak and they blew them out. If I could make it to a game due to the roads being good enough the cold would make absolutely no difference unless we were talking about dangerously low wind chills such as -40 or greater. Many people are not like that and wouldn't sit through really bad weather regardless if they are from SD or not. If you go from an indoor 70 degree game to 30 degrees I would imagine that would elimate half the crowd. Cut that down to zero and elimate half of those. Most people are not going to brave the severe elements to see a game especially when it is on TV.
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Post by wrj on Dec 12, 2017 10:10:56 GMT -6
I haven't been to a game in the dome since the D2 days. My last time there was a game against St. Cloud. I recall that I sat in the front row at about the south 30 or 35 yard line. I also recall having to lean over the rail to see the action on the near sideline. When you remodel you should tear out some of the structure on the west side and slide the field a little, perhaps five yards, in that direction to improve the sight lines for the near side action.
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Post by usdtator on Dec 12, 2017 10:24:37 GMT -6
I haven't been to a game in the dome since the D2 days. My last time there was a game against St. Cloud. I recall that I sat in the front row at about the south 30 or 35 yard line. I also recall having to lean over the rail to see the action on the near sideline. When you remodel you should tear out some of the structure on the west side and slide the field a little, perhaps five yards, in that direction to improve the sight lines for the near side action. I would agree that is is hard to see anything that happens on the near sideline. Our seats are rows 15 and 16 on the 30 yd line and I have to look up to the video board to see whether a catch was made, player stepped out-of-bounds, etc. Regardless, they are gonna be more concerned about getting seats more in for capacity sake, rather than whether everyone can see all the action taking place.
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