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Post by gorabbits on Dec 24, 2017 15:32:33 GMT -6
I too would love to see NMSU join the conference. Good school, land grant, somewhat of a good travel partner for Denver. Pretty good set of sports. They have all of the Summit League women's sports. They have the men"s league sports except track and S&D. They do sponsor baseball which is good. There only non Summit sport is football.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 26, 2017 15:01:22 GMT -6
So far the Coyotes have played 16 games in basically a month and a half. Starting on Dec 23rd they will play 14 more conference games in almost two and a half months. if they played 2 games a week average starting on Dec 30th that would end the season in mid February. They have over 2 weeks after that till the tourney. They will only average about 1.5 games a week from here on out. The Summit league as it is, is a program killer.
Edit: Just to elaborate some more the programs in the conference can debate this for themselves but the question is do we as Coyote fans want to protect the conference tournament or do we want to protect our home schedule and ability to raise interest in the program to get people to actually come to Vermillion to watch basketball.
If we want to protect our conference tournament that will significantly impact the quality of teams that the Summit League can likely get to join the league. Tom Douple has pretty much said that he is a reactive commissioner. He is going to wait and see how things fall. In the mean time because of the lack of vision USD is now in the midst of a league that is arguably barely surviving and a schedule that doesn't seem to be creating much interest in the program. The Coyotes have 3 double headers this year and one of them involved the Coyote Men playing a team that counted the game as an exhibition. That is barely a double header in my book.
If USD is concerned about their home games and getting people watching those games from the stands than maybe it is time to start doing some compromising when it comes to the conference tourney. I am not sure "compromise" is a word known to the people from the north when it comes to their precious tourney. Don't think word doesn't get around to prospective new additions when they get the opinions of the eastern block how the tourney in Sioux Falls is helping their basketball programs, because other than maybe a few extra dollars it isn't. Is Milwaukee, Green Bay, or New Mexico State going to want to come into the league knowing the tourney is cemented in Sioux Falls. If I was their programs I certainly wouldn't want any part of that, because their chances at the NCAA tourney go down significantly for them.
If USD is to be part of a better overall conference they might have to give something to get something. If the MVC came calling and liked USD for their upwards trajectory of their programs and because of geography and invited the Coyotes I would hope that Herbster would barely have to think about it. There is always non conference for the XDSU's and UND. That would certainly create a more appealing schedule and would boost fan interest and also take one of the pillars out from the Summit at the same time.
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Post by dave on Dec 27, 2017 2:37:31 GMT -6
Maybe you should contact the Big Sky and see if they are still interested.
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Post by yotesbacker on Dec 28, 2017 10:21:29 GMT -6
Perfect World: MVC, MVFC, Summit League schools all have a summit. MVC is re-configured to including only schools that play scholarship FCS football and the other sports. The Summit League takes all schools who do not have scholarship football. If schools not playing football would like to bolt the re-configured Summit League, they can. SL should still have plenty of schools for Basketball and other sports to maintain NCAA championship status.
Not gonna happen though, no such thing as a perfect world.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 28, 2017 13:00:10 GMT -6
yotesbacker you are exactly correct and as you said it makes too much sense to happen. By adding NDSU, SDSU and USD to the Valley in basketball is not going to be a downgrade to the conference what-so-ever. That includes both men and women. I don't understand why the football playing schools don't just make the move and let everyone else react. It would be the better football and basketball conference over the left overs. If that were to happen their would be an immediate spike in interest for basketball.
The conference tourney could be rotated between Sioux Falls and St. Louis or wherever the eastern block would want it.
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 28, 2017 13:53:27 GMT -6
Patience.
The NCAA basketball credits need to run out for the MVC. If you want this merger to someday happen you need to root for the MVC to be a one bid conference that is one and done or for the Summit to grow to a two bid conference with teams that make some runs.
For right now, the MVC isn't doing anything until those Wichita State credits run out and UNI could just make some runs to keep replenishing them.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 28, 2017 16:15:30 GMT -6
so if the coyotes finish 12-2 in league play and 24-6 overall is that good enough for an at large bid. I say because of lack of quality wins probably not. 26-4 than we may be talking but a perfect summit would be rare.
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 28, 2017 16:28:53 GMT -6
Honestly, I don't see any chance of USD getting an at-large bid, even an undefeated conference record. Need to win the SLT to get in. That's just the way it is.
Now, if USD had been to the tournament several times already, won a few games here and there, and was a known commodity, absolutely. But the Summit just isn't high enough on the pecking order to justify an at-large. That would be taking an at-large away from a power conference, and we all know that isn't going to happen.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 28, 2017 18:45:15 GMT -6
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 21, 2018 8:19:33 GMT -6
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 21, 2018 8:22:12 GMT -6
Patience. The NCAA basketball credits need to run out for the MVC. If you want this merger to someday happen you need to root for the MVC to be a one bid conference that is one and done or for the Summit to grow to a two bid conference with teams that make some runs. For right now, the MVC isn't doing anything until those Wichita State credits run out and UNI could just make some runs to keep replenishing them. So much for MVC basketball credits running out. To think when Loyola Chicago was added to the MVC the move was mocked and it was speculated the only reason they got in is because of the Chicago "market". Looks like they made the most of their opportunity. |
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Post by elcoyote on Mar 21, 2018 9:02:14 GMT -6
Being located in one of the richest talent markets in the country. I would think Loyola should have no problem finding players. Question would be as to why they aren't this tough every year. Sister Jean approves of this message.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 21, 2018 10:10:33 GMT -6
I would rather have Mankato than UMKC. Let's pressure them into moving up.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 21, 2018 10:26:31 GMT -6
I don't think there is any way to make the Summit a much better situation than it currently is. No one wants to be in the Summit. IPFW wants to be in the Horizon. UNO applied for the Horizon and MVC. Oral Roberts went to the Southland but came back because the baseball was too competitive. UMKC even thought they were too good for the Summit. Denver would be elsewhere if there was a good regional home for them. WIU is a charter member and I'm guessing they don't enjoy watching all of their peers leave them behind.
That leaves the Dakotas. No healthy conference has a core of just 4 members. We need to take action and tie ourselves to our peers, either to the east or west.
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 21, 2018 10:33:52 GMT -6
Here, I'll help. The number you dial is 1-406-........
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