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Post by gorabbits on Nov 17, 2018 21:16:27 GMT -6
The scholarship dollars you reference includes academic scholarships. Augie would not have to match that. SDSU and USD each provide a little over $4,000,000 in scholarships which is already included in the athletic expenditures reported above in the report The same would be true for Augie's budget. Augie would not have to come up near the number of dollars you infer. I'm neither pro or con for an Augie move but many of the financial reasons why Augie's can't do this presented on this board and SDSU's are based on a lack of information/understanding of how athletic funding works.
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Post by aldewitt on Nov 17, 2018 21:40:46 GMT -6
Thanks for that. Your input is very interesting and helps narrow things down a little. The better handle on what they can afford the better idea of what they might actually do.
If correct it Supports my feeling that Augie ends up in the MVFC. If any thing were to occur resulting in a Summit/MVFC split Augie would go where they fit the best.
From a league perspective Augie helps the Summit in a lot of ways.
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Post by aldewitt on Nov 19, 2018 4:37:05 GMT -6
When is the next Augie game?
Oct 30 and Nov 7 were Augies.
Dec 8 and 12 will see Augies.
Had one of those been Augie it would have been full. It would be a big payday with no guarantee and travel money handed over to a little known Augie. Augie averages more fans themselves than any of the money losers mentioned. There could even be an active secondary market for tickets
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 5, 2018 9:41:03 GMT -6
Here's a non-Augustana angle.
After USD's women's BB team just went down to Springfield, MO and beat MSU, a poster on their fan board had this to say:
I realize this is just one random, anonymous fan, but it's nice when at least someone from the MVC gets it. Creighton and Wichita St have left big holes in the conference. Loyola Chicago had some amazing success in the tournament last year, but that doesn't mean the conference as a whole is back to being the premiere mid-major. They're not. The Dakotas would make either the Big Sky or the MVC better.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 5, 2018 16:48:01 GMT -6
I would kill for a MVC invite. I'm guessing the private schools would have none of that though. The publics might be against it too but they at least associate with us in football already so there is a foot in the door there.
I've stated before that basically turning the MVFC into an all sports conference is my dream scenario. Loyola going to the final four did that pipe dream no favors.
Something is going to have to make the MVC desperate for us to get a serious look. I don't know what would ever get them to such a point. I cant see another exodus anytime soon now that they've been relegated to a 1 bid league.
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Post by yoteforever on Dec 5, 2018 18:14:42 GMT -6
I would kill for a MVC invite. I'm guessing the private schools would have none of that though. The publics might be against it too but they at least associate with us in football already so there is a foot in the door there. I've stated before that basically turning the MVFC into an all sports conference is my dream scenario. Loyola going to the final four did that pipe dream no favors. Something is going to have to make the MVC desperate for us to get a serious look. I don't know what would ever get them to such a point. I cant see another exodus anytime soon now that they've been relegated to a 1 bid league. SDSU piss pounding UNI up in Minneapolis didn’t hurt. Beat them by 30+
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Post by elcoyote on Dec 5, 2018 18:48:03 GMT -6
I would kill for a MVC invite. I'm guessing the private schools would have none of that though. The publics might be against it too but they at least associate with us in football already so there is a foot in the door there. I've stated before that basically turning the MVFC into an all sports conference is my dream scenario. Loyola going to the final four did that pipe dream no favors. Something is going to have to make the MVC desperate for us to get a serious look. I don't know what would ever get them to such a point. I cant see another exodus anytime soon now that they've been relegated to a 1 bid league. SDSU piss pounding UNI up in Minneapolis didn’t hurt. Beat them by 30+ UNI's reaction to it was like some supposed blue blooded aristocrat getting stomped by some uncouth peasant. I just don't see where the MVC has much, if anything, on the Summit even given Loyola's run to the final four last season. Robert Morris made a similar cinderella run a few years back and I haven't heard much from them lately, nor could I even begin to come up with what conference they're in.
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Post by sdsportsfan2010 on Dec 5, 2018 20:43:30 GMT -6
SDSU piss pounding UNI up in Minneapolis didn’t hurt. Beat them by 30+ UNI's reaction to it was like some supposed blue blooded aristocrat getting stomped by some uncouth peasant. I just don't see where the MVC has much, if anything, on the Summit even given Loyola's run to the final four last season. Robert Morris made a similar cinderella run a few years back and I haven't heard much from them lately, nor could I even begin to come up with what conference they're in. You might be thinking of George Mason, not Robert Morris. Robert Morris hasnt made a run in the big dance. George Mason was in the final four but like you said, they havent done much since.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 5, 2018 22:01:56 GMT -6
I would kill for a MVC invite. I'm guessing the private schools would have none of that though. The publics might be against it too but they at least associate with us in football already so there is a foot in the door there. I've stated before that basically turning the MVFC into an all sports conference is my dream scenario. Loyola going to the final four did that pipe dream no favors. Something is going to have to make the MVC desperate for us to get a serious look. I don't know what would ever get them to such a point. I cant see another exodus anytime soon now that they've been relegated to a 1 bid league. SDSU piss pounding UNI up in Minneapolis didn’t hurt. Beat them by 30+ USD and sdsu beat Minnesota in the same week a couple years back, didn't bring us any closer to the Big 10.
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Post by elcoyote on Dec 5, 2018 22:04:06 GMT -6
UNI's reaction to it was like some supposed blue blooded aristocrat getting stomped by some uncouth peasant. I just don't see where the MVC has much, if anything, on the Summit even given Loyola's run to the final four last season. Robert Morris made a similar cinderella run a few years back and I haven't heard much from them lately, nor could I even begin to come up with what conference they're in. You might be thinking of George Mason, not Robert Morris. Robert Morris hasnt made a run in the big dance. George Mason was in the final four but like you said, they havent done much since. You're right. I stand corrected. Got my founding fathers mixed up.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 5, 2018 22:11:23 GMT -6
You might be thinking of George Mason, not Robert Morris. Robert Morris hasnt made a run in the big dance. George Mason was in the final four but like you said, they havent done much since. You're right. I stand corrected. Got my founding fathers mixed up. You kind of proved your own point about a one-off run not bringing a whole lot of prestige to a conference. George Mason parlayed that run into an Atlantic 10 invite, and VCU actually did the same (also coming from the CAA). There's good money to bring in from a run but it doesn't transform a mid-major conference. Loyola's run won't transform the MVC, Davidson's near final four didn't bring anything to the Southern, and USD's run won't bring anything to the Summit. (I can dream, can't I?)
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Post by aldewitt on Dec 7, 2018 3:34:29 GMT -6
The MVC is very stable. The first changes in a long time saw Loyola admitted in 2003 and Valpo in 2013. I dont remember any Dacotah schools getting a peak.
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Post by gorabbits on Dec 7, 2018 8:14:56 GMT -6
The MVC is very stable. The first changes in a long time saw Loyola admitted in 2003 and Valpo in 2013. I dont remember any Dacotah schools getting a peak. The additions were the result of the loss of Wichita State and Creighton and the need to add members new members.. Others would leave if they had a chance as well. I wouldn't call the MVC any more stable than any other mid-major. Without the surprising success of Loyola last year their long term name recognition would be there primary claim to fame. Loyola and Valpo were added in 2013 and 2017 not 2003 and 2013.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 7, 2018 8:46:17 GMT -6
Yeah, I don't have any false delusions that if there were another opening the Dakota 4 would be at the top of the list. I'm just saying we SHOULD be. The anonymous Missouri State WBB fan I quoted above was a rare time that I have seen someone from the MVC "get it".
In the meantime we will all just have to keep on doing what we do, supporting our sports teams, building facilities, and kicking @ss. Eventually they will get it. Hopefully for them it won't be too late by then. (meaning, maybe we will be the ones picking off the best teams from neighboring conferences)
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Post by aldewitt on Dec 7, 2018 8:50:48 GMT -6
Its an interesting history. 8 of the 10 existing members were added between 1907 & 1994. Yes, I must have read that wrong it was 2013 Loyola was admitted and in 2017 Valpo.
Of the 10 members 5 are private. Evansville has an Augi like enrollment of 2,526. Of the 5 private schools the largest attendance is 5,651 at Bradley.
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