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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 6, 2019 20:56:35 GMT -6
D1 baseball has a Max of 11.7 scholarships to be fully funded. Nothing says we have to fully fund. Just go with about 9 scholarships and run it bare bones. Nobody says we need to compete, just field a team.
9 is the D2 Max and Augustana seems to do just fine with that number since many believe they could come in and compete in D1 right away.
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Post by dave on Aug 6, 2019 21:17:02 GMT -6
IIRC the NCAA allows a transitioning school to fast track one men's and one women's sport, other than football and basketball, so if that rule is still in place, and assuming Augie will be taking PFW's spot, Augie's baseball team will be playoff eligible in something like two years. I'd imagine the NCAA will grant a waiver to the Summit League preserving autobids in all sports. BTW how soon does the name get changed back to the North Central Conference.
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Post by elcoyote on Aug 6, 2019 21:27:51 GMT -6
D1 baseball has a Max of 11.7 scholarships to be fully funded. Nothing says we have to fully fund. Just go with about 9 scholarships and run it bare bones. Nobody says we need to compete, just field a team. 9 is the D2 Max and Augustana seems to do just fine with that number since many believe they could come in and compete in D1 right away. If we don't intend on competing, why even bother? Great recruiting pitch: "come to USD...you don't have to compete, you just have to show up". As a baseball alum this would make me puke. It's not our duty to save Summit baseball and yes, it makes me semi upset we don't have baseball, but I also get why we don't. |
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Post by kiyoat on Aug 7, 2019 5:44:28 GMT -6
If not Augie and s two-year waiver, another option is adding a baseball-only member. They already do this in several sports. Not a long-term solution, but it would work.
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Post by gopheryote on Aug 7, 2019 5:51:28 GMT -6
For those who are new to the board, as well as for guys like me who forgot, can someone give the rundown on why SL needs another baseball team (and why it has to be baseball and not something else like corn hole or badminton)?
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Post by Yotes on Aug 7, 2019 6:14:19 GMT -6
For those who are new to the board, as well as for guys like me who forgot, can someone give the rundown on why SL needs another baseball team (and why it has to be baseball and not something else like corn hole or badminton)? It doesn't have to be baseball, but each conference is required to have so many teams participate in a certain number of sports in order to receive auto bids to the NCAA tourney (basketball, softball, soccer, etc.). The Summit has been at the minimum number of sports sponsored, and baseball has had the minimum number of teams required. Losing one baseball member puts the whole league in jeopardy. So we either need a new baseball member or an additional sport in order to keep receiving automatic bids in every other sport. |
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Post by kiyoat on Aug 7, 2019 8:12:56 GMT -6
In addition to that, the NCAA has required numbers of “team” sports, like baseball or soccer.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Aug 7, 2019 9:16:13 GMT -6
I can't recall if this was posted or not, but there was certainly a discussion about "Why Augie and not St. Thomas?" For confirmation purposes, you must first reclassify to D2 from D3 before you can reclassify to D1. Q: May an institution reclassify from NCAA Division III to Division I? A: No. Current rules would require a Division III institution to initially reclassify to Division II prior to reclassifying to Division I. www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2017DIMem_MembershipFAQ_20170926.pdfThis appears to be from 2017. If something has changed since then, please correct my information. I just happened to be having this discussion with one of my colleagues and came upon this. Thought it warranted posting. |
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Post by GoYotes on Aug 7, 2019 9:47:12 GMT -6
Some talk that after hearing that some schools wanted them out of the MIAC, St Thomas worked behind the scenes to urge schools to vote to expel them from the conference. They would then use this as a basis for requesting a hardship waiver to allow them to reclassify directly to D1.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 7, 2019 17:54:05 GMT -6
Some talk that after hearing that some schools wanted them out of the MIAC, St Thomas worked behind the scenes to urge schools to vote to expel them from the conference. They would then use this as a basis for requesting a hardship waiver to allow them to reclassify directly to D1. Please let it happen, and let them join the Summit. Would love for USD to be part of the untapped potential of Minnesota getting a D1 team. |
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Post by kiyoat on Aug 7, 2019 18:06:39 GMT -6
I thought I heard recently that they are joining the Wisconsin D-3 league, and gave up on going D-2 or D-1?
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 7, 2019 18:22:51 GMT -6
I thought I heard recently that they are joining the Wisconsin D-3 league, and gave up on going D-2 or D-1? That's kind of the opposite to what has been floating around. UST has been rumored to have inquired with the WCHA about Women's D1 hockey. You can't do that if you are D3. The ADs and Associate ADs they have hired recently all have exclusively D1 backgrounds. The signals are pointing to D2 with D1 hockey or full fledged D1. |
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Post by Yotes on Aug 7, 2019 19:43:05 GMT -6
I thought I heard recently that they are joining the Wisconsin D-3 league, and gave up on going D-2 or D-1? I've tried looking around for news and haven't been able to find anything really. The most interesting thing I found was a pair of former Yotes facing off next month in Caruso v. Beschorner. |
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Post by captaincoyote on Aug 8, 2019 8:18:41 GMT -6
I agree, but I know it's more complicated than that. What would the process be for USD to add baseball, if it's even possible? We would have to also add a women’s team to balance the number of scholarships. Does the NCAA have a limit on Triathlon scholarships? Are we at the limit for all other sports? |
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Post by kiyoat on Aug 8, 2019 9:39:50 GMT -6
We would have to also add a women’s team to balance the number of scholarships. Does the NCAA have a limit on Triathlon scholarships? Are we at the limit for all other sports? Anyone feel free to correct me, but I believe we had to add Triathalon primarily to come back into compliance with Title IX. The ratio of men/women students (not sure if total or just undergrads) determines the correct ratio of men/women scholarships USD has to offer. I'm sure there would still need to be more women's scholarships if we added baseball. In fact, there would have to be more women's than what we would give in Baseball schollies, to meet the ratio. ( I think it's 60-65% women?) Triathlon has a 4.5 scholarship limit, but can offer partial scholarships in that sport. |
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