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Post by kiyoat on Jan 21, 2020 10:22:49 GMT -6
Another interesting angle is how football and hockey play into the conference affiliation picture, and athletic budgets. Both sports are large parts of athletic budgets that can either boost or destroy an athletic department. Neither sport is sponsored by the Summit, but several members have outstanding programs played in other conferences.
I'm especially intrigued with how this plays into the relationship with the MVC. If the Summit were to add a school like UNC(Greeley) or NMSU, we would have six football-sponsoring schools, which is the minimum for a conference to sponsor that sport.
As of next season, Summit schools will be 5 of the 11 MVFC schools vs 5 from the MVC (Youngstown is Horizon League). I'm not saying we break away from the MVFC, but I'm not NOT saying we do it either. Just the threat of having that on the table might give us some more clout in the conference. Maybe wishful thinking.
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Post by yote18 on Jan 21, 2020 14:25:09 GMT -6
Yea like I said I’m not sure what USD’s or the summits best option is. But I do think we need to shake up leadership at the top in the league office. Douple has done great “stabilizing” the league but the only strategy he has is to get cozy with Sanford imo.
Wasn’t Grand Canyon really interested in the Summit at one point? I know the presidents had some issues with their former for profit status but that was a missed opportunity I think. Maybe it’d be possible now to poach both GCU and New Mexico State, I doubt either have desires to stay in the WAC.
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 21, 2020 15:50:54 GMT -6
...Wasn’t Grand Canyon really interested in the Summit at one point? ... Herbster mentioned once that GCU had applied for Summit membership, but was voted down. Pretty sure that was recently. |
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Post by Yotes on Jan 21, 2020 17:58:39 GMT -6
Good to know. There's certainly questions to be asked about associating with a for-profit institution.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Jan 22, 2020 13:12:09 GMT -6
...Wasn’t Grand Canyon really interested in the Summit at one point? ... Herbster mentioned once that GCU had applied for Summit membership, but was voted down. Pretty sure that was recently. I believe that was back when they were a "for profit" school. Now they are non-profit, I think. |
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 22, 2020 14:49:07 GMT -6
Herbster mentioned once that GCU had applied for Summit membership, but was voted down. Pretty sure that was recently. I believe that was back when they were a "for profit" school. Now they are non-profit, I think. Not sure. The Herbster quote was from a year ago in early January, when he was addressing the Yankton Quarterback club: www.yankton.net/sports/article_eec4f3ae-1491-11e9-8ab1-6f52a82d687c.htmlHe said that GCU had expressed interest "previously", so he could have meant recently, or a long time ago. Who knows. I thought that GCU had returned to non-profit status as well, but according to Wikipedia, the Department of Education refuses to classify them as such. They are still tied to a for-profit entity with shareholders, so they haven't yet met the criteria of a non-profit. Personally, I'd like to see them get their ducks in a row as far as status, before we would invite them. That's just me, though. ORU has it's own long shady history with finances, and we don't bat an eye about that. Beggars can't be choosers, I guess. |
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Post by mitchrapp on Feb 2, 2020 21:47:34 GMT -6
I've heard Augies bid was rejected and St Thomas accepted. Augustana still fighting to get in the Summit though.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 2, 2020 22:08:45 GMT -6
I've heard Augies bid was rejected and St Thomas accepted. Augustana still fighting to get in the Summit though. It has been public for some time that St Thomas was invited to join. It would be a new (and welcome) development if Augustana has been shot down. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 3, 2020 6:26:03 GMT -6
Why does everyone feel so threatened by Augustana? If they are the small Lutheran school that shouldn't be a threat to the UXD's and XDSU's than why the fuss about them. I will tell you why, because people are in the closet threatened by them. A real program should welcome some competition and they have been very successful in D2 lately and on a national level which was something USD never really was other than the women making the title game in 2008. I personally don't want to be in the Summit (wanting an all sports conference) so I don't really care one way about Augie but anyone that wants to remain Summit should welcome Augie with open arms. They make sense for the league.
I want a league that doesn't cater to one program and used a fair means to determine which basketball teams go to the NCAA tourney. The Summit does not use a fair means.
If USD really had the foresight they would have announced at the time of moving to D1 that they were going to relocate the campus to Sioux Falls. The Coyotes would have ruled the state and prevented an Augie move. USD would have become thee team of South Dakota being located in Sioux Falls. It would have been advantageous for the law school, business school and med school. They would have been the #1 option for all the corporate sponsors that Sioux Falls would have had to offer. It would have made USD just blow up in the sports landscape.
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Post by GoYotes on Feb 3, 2020 7:34:01 GMT -6
Oh Boy
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 3, 2020 9:03:35 GMT -6
That's an understatement. |
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Post by Yotes on Feb 3, 2020 13:11:29 GMT -6
Move the campus to Sioux Falls? We need to think bigger than that. How about we close the Vermillion campus and open one in Sioux Falls AND Sioux City. We could be THEE school for South Dakota and NW Iowa. Welcome to the big leagues USD!
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Post by yote18 on Feb 3, 2020 13:43:22 GMT -6
How is the process unfair?
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Post by jacks6106 on Feb 3, 2020 14:08:15 GMT -6
I am obviously a jacks fan but I spend a lot of time on here cause I like to read others view points. But does he actually believe the words that come out of his mouth or does he say things like this just for a reaction?
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 3, 2020 14:13:48 GMT -6
Why does everyone feel so threatened by Augustana? If they are the small Lutheran school that shouldn't be a threat to the UXD's and XDSU's than why the fuss about them. I will tell you why, because people are in the closet threatened by them. A real program should welcome some competition and they have been very successful in D2 lately and on a national level which was something USD never really was other than the women making the title game in 2008. I personally don't want to be in the Summit (wanting an all sports conference) so I don't really care one way about Augie but anyone that wants to remain Summit should welcome Augie with open arms. They make sense for the league. I want a league that doesn't cater to one program and used a fair means to determine which basketball teams go to the NCAA tourney. The Summit does not use a fair means. If USD really had the foresight they would have announced at the time of moving to D1 that they were going to relocate the campus to Sioux Falls. The Coyotes would have ruled the state and prevented an Augie move. USD would have become thee team of South Dakota being located in Sioux Falls. It would have been advantageous for the law school, business school and med school. They would have been the #1 option for all the corporate sponsors that Sioux Falls would have had to offer. It would have made USD just blow up in the sports landscape. USD and SDSU aren't threatened by Augustana. The Vikings were a bottom feeder in the NCC and they will be an even bigger bottom feeder in the deep waters of Division 1, and that right there is the problem. We want to increase the profile and national standing of the Summit and bringing in a tiny school with limited resources is not how that is done. You also need to consider how Augustana is viewed by other conference schools. They see a tiny school with limited resources getting pushed on the conference because of its location and connections. Not exactly something that tightens the comradery of the conference. Contrast Augustana with St. Thomas. UST might be a D3 school right now but you can clearly see that school's potential given its location and financial resources. The feedback from other conference schools has been pretty much resounding acceptance, obviously since they've been offered a spot even though they aren't even D1 yet. |
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