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UNO
Mar 15, 2011 7:34:28 GMT -6
Post by Yote 53 on Mar 15, 2011 7:34:28 GMT -6
A conversation about the direction of the Summit league could take all summer, or longer. Well, it is the off season so plenty of time. I don't see the Summit adding football anytime soon. Even if they did, would we want to leave the MVFC? I don't think so. To protect the Valley schools in the MVFC, all the Valley would have to do is offer one or two Summit football schools a spot in a Valley expansion and that would squash the Summit. That is why it is imperative for USD to get a high quality arena built and put a regular NCAA tourney team in it.
The Minnesota schools, Arkansas-Little Rock, and any of the Great West Schools (Chicago St) seem to be the most logical expansion options. And then there is UND, if the MVFC would offer them a football home.
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UNO
Mar 15, 2011 13:27:43 GMT -6
Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Mar 15, 2011 13:27:43 GMT -6
Okay, I know Arkansas-Little Rock has been brought up a good amount...but if anyone has noticed, they made it to the NCAA tournament after winning the Sun Belt conference...so I really don't think they are an option, especially with that conference being so tightly packed together.
I do wonder what Minnesota schools there are besides SCSU, which I think is more of an option now as they just watched UNO drop football. Minnesota State-Mankato has no money. They are in a lot worse financial situation than UNO was I think. If they aren't, well they are no ready for the move at all, even though I can see them dropping football, but I don't think that would do it. Remember, Glen Taylor is an alum and if he hasn't pushed them D-I yet, then yeah...
UND isn't coming to the Summit or the MVFC anytime soon, that's for sure. Douple threw them under the bus for one, for two, they can't get the logo situation figured out and have taken half a decade to only get further behind the 8-ball. The MVFC wants nothing to do with North Dakota at all right now. UND has a ways to go before they earn their way to even getting in the discussion of the Summit or MVFC.
Chicago State, yeah I can see them being an option again.
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UNO
Mar 15, 2011 14:05:21 GMT -6
Post by jacksfan29 on Mar 15, 2011 14:05:21 GMT -6
Okay, I know Arkansas-Little Rock has been brought up a good amount...but if anyone has noticed, they made it to the NCAA tournament after winning the Sun Belt conference...so I really don't think they are an option, especially with that conference being so tightly packed together. I do wonder what Minnesota schools there are besides SCSU, which I think is more of an option now as they just watched UNO drop football. Minnesota State-Mankato has no money. They are in a lot worse financial situation than UNO was I think. If they aren't, well they are no ready for the move at all, even though I can see them dropping football, but I don't think that would do it. Remember, Glen Taylor is an alum and if he hasn't pushed them D-I yet, then yeah... UND isn't coming to the Summit or the MVFC anytime soon, that's for sure. Douple threw them under the bus for one, for two, they can't get the logo situation figured out and have taken half a decade to only get further behind the 8-ball. The MVFC wants nothing to do with North Dakota at all right now. UND has a ways to go before they earn their way to even getting in the discussion of the Summit or MVFC. Chicago State, yeah I can see them being an option again. UALR was and continues to be mentioned based on their being the only outsider (non-FB school) left in the Sun Belt. Denver was being put under pressure to leave due to the fact that the Sun Belt was built as a FB conference. The UALR AD (who has connections to either SDSU or USD, I can't recall) discussed the possibility of going to the Summit in the event that the non-FB status became an issue with them. ORU would REALLY like UALR to join. Their making the tournament doesn't affect the non-FB issue. It will still need to be resolved. Northern KY has also been mentioned which would give the conference another eastern member. I really don't believe either SCSU or Mankato are viable options and don't think either is moving up anytime soon. The UND ship has sailed, thankfully for many in the conference. And your right, the MVFC is NOT interested in UND. Getting the conference to add NDSU was difficult enough. A second trip that far north and the eastern schools are looking to bail.
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UNO
Mar 15, 2011 14:16:31 GMT -6
Post by Yote 53 on Mar 15, 2011 14:16:31 GMT -6
My UND reference in my post sounds better if you heard me say the phrase...and then there is UND...kinda hard to get the context in a post.
I think the UND is not an option but Mr. Douple has again stated that he'd still like UND to be in the Summit. Now, under what circumstances is a fair question. When it comes to the MVFC, I don't see that conference being in any hurry to add UND, which will effectively keep UND in the BSC.
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usdlaw
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UNO
Mar 15, 2011 16:27:43 GMT -6
Post by usdlaw on Mar 15, 2011 16:27:43 GMT -6
Douple wants midwest teams, AKLR is not really midwest. I give UND less than five years in the BSC then they join Summit. I think USD could have pushed for football only in the BSC if they needed too, and UND can probably do the same. And maybe, the other teams in the BSC will want UND to join the Summit and stay BSC for football only.
The fact is UND belongs with USD and the XDSUs, and now UNO. If the MVFC won't take UND so be it. They stay BSC for football only.
From what I've heard that is the most likely scenario.
NDSU can be pissy all they want, the reality is UND belongs with the other 3 Dakota schools. From a stability standpoint, it only makes sense for the Summit. If the Summit never gets football, then no big deal, the schools all stay where they are for football. But remember football is 1 sport out of 17-21 that these schools play. Travel for 16 others sports to the BSC schools will get old real quick for UND.
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UNO
Mar 15, 2011 19:24:03 GMT -6
Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Mar 15, 2011 19:24:03 GMT -6
Well, Arkansas-Little Rock didn't have to deal with the travel Denver had too, so the WAC is a better fit and it's still a football conference. Can the Sun Belt really handle going down another team honestly, especially when it's a team that made the tournament? I can see the point, just don't know if the Sun Belt is ready to boot them yet. If they do get booted, then yeah it would be the Summit.
Are there any schools in the Big Sky that are just football, because I don't know if they would go for that.
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UNO
Mar 15, 2011 20:43:29 GMT -6
Post by Yote 53 on Mar 15, 2011 20:43:29 GMT -6
UC Davis and Cal Poly are football only Big Sky members. They were the first schools the Sky invited that started this chain reaction of events. Rumor on the interwebs is that Sac St would also like the BSC for football only and then place the rest of their sports in the Big West with the other Cali schools to ease their strained budget. The Cali schools are getting hit hard given that state's budget woes.
The BSC is at 9 full members now. After UND and SUU come on with the two Cali's then they will be at 13 football/11 full. Maybe letting UND move everything but football will allow them some easier scheduling in the other sports. I'd imagine it is easier to construct a basketball schedule for 10 than 11. Especially when the 1 is so far away.
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UNO
Mar 15, 2011 22:35:35 GMT -6
Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 15, 2011 22:35:35 GMT -6
Bring in Northern Kentucky. The USD women have been waiting for a little payback so why not get a chance on an annual basis. Seriously though Northern Kentucky is in rich basketball territory and would be a good member of the Summit.
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UNO
Mar 15, 2011 22:45:01 GMT -6
Post by fargobison on Mar 15, 2011 22:45:01 GMT -6
I doubt Chicago State will ever be allowed back into the league, if you didn't know they left because they were going to be kicked out. The league won't take on that problem child again and honestly I'd be embarrassed to be in a league with a school that is of Chicago State's caliber.
I'm not usually one to say things like that but the school has really had some major issues from what I've heard.
UND coming back is a possibility. St Cloud might be as well if they want to follow UNO's formula. That said I can the league being perfectly content with its future lineup of 10 teams. For basketball 10 is the ideal number.
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UNO
Mar 15, 2011 22:59:44 GMT -6
Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 15, 2011 22:59:44 GMT -6
Is there anyone else on the 12 team full round robin bandwagon. I don't believe UND is too far gone by any means. Things can be forgiven when the best interest of UND and the Summit is at stake.
East
Oakland IUPUI IPFW W. Illinois Northern Kentucky or AR-Little Rock Oral Roberts
West
UND NDSU SDSU USD UNO UMKC
Top 5 teams receive automatic bids to the neutral site weekend Summit League tourney. #11 at #6, #10 at #7 & #9 at #8 on Tuesday night at higher seed home sites for the right to join the top 5. #12 is unfortunately out of the loop.
Division Champ best record #1 seed vs 8/9 winner #4 vs #5 Division Champ lower record #2 seed vs 7/10 winner #3 vs #6/#11 winner
I like the guarantee games and the extra rivalry games. There are still pleny of non conference slots on the schedule but I like the slightly longer conference schedule with 11 gauranteed home conference games and several exciting Thursday - Saturday home stands. This allows the best conference teams to have an advantage in the conference tourney but still allows all but one team to be a part of it.
I am excited by the prospect of getting UNO back in the mix, getting the rest of the Summit teams familiarized and possibly adding a couple of new teams to the mix as well.
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UNO
Mar 16, 2011 7:38:09 GMT -6
Post by Yote 53 on Mar 16, 2011 7:38:09 GMT -6
Read somewhere that N. Kentucky has opted to not move up to D1 as it is cost prohibitive. Don't remember where that was.
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UNO
Mar 16, 2011 12:58:56 GMT -6
Post by Yote 53 on Mar 16, 2011 12:58:56 GMT -6
Over on the Sioux board the word is that Sioux Sports Insider is tweeting that if UNO would have kept football that UNO and UND would have been sought out by the MVFC to complete a 12 team conference.
Is there any chance that UNO announced cutting the football program to, hopefully, bring out a groundswell of support to keep it (basically get the money flowing). They could then, miraculously, come up with a home for football (MVFC) and wrestling (Wester Wrestling Conference). Was this a calculated plan or are they really cutting these sports?
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UNO
Mar 16, 2011 13:36:13 GMT -6
Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Mar 16, 2011 13:36:13 GMT -6
I think they are really cutting these sports, especially since a donor was ready to dole out some major cash for UNO and is now done for good.
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usdlaw
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UNO
Mar 16, 2011 14:27:13 GMT -6
Post by usdlaw on Mar 16, 2011 14:27:13 GMT -6
That could happen soon or in 5 years really. Nothing says football is gone forever at UNO. Look at Lamar.
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UNO
Mar 17, 2011 12:06:39 GMT -6
Post by yotefan on Mar 17, 2011 12:06:39 GMT -6
That's been my hunch all along with UNO's announcement. Get in to the Summit, resurrect football and angle for the MVFC once they become full-fleged members of the Summit.
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