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UNO
Mar 13, 2011 4:15:34 GMT -6
Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Mar 13, 2011 4:15:34 GMT -6
For those of you who haven't heard, the Omaha World Herald is reporting the UNO is dropping football and wrestling and is moving up to D-I and has accepted a bid to the Summit League which was offered on Friday. Dropping football was the only way I figured they could do it, but I didn't think they would. Plus UNO won the D-II wrestling title, sooooooo wow. Granted you don't make much money unless it's big time D-I wrestling.
So UNO/USD traveling partners in the Summit? Are the old NCC days going to be know as pre-Summit days now?
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UNO
Mar 13, 2011 7:58:34 GMT -6
Post by chuck on Mar 13, 2011 7:58:34 GMT -6
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UNO
Mar 13, 2011 9:31:07 GMT -6
Post by Yote 53 on Mar 13, 2011 9:31:07 GMT -6
Wow. Big news but not suprising given the information that came out leading up to this.
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UNO
Mar 13, 2011 9:33:35 GMT -6
Post by omahayote on Mar 13, 2011 9:33:35 GMT -6
No UNO fb should help USD, but it just feels wrong/ Trev Alberts is a snake/ UNL deals UNO its final death blow after years of tourture
There are probably quite a few in SD that would have liked to have done the same thing as UNO. Would USD athletics be better off had they done the same?
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UNO
Mar 13, 2011 11:47:16 GMT -6
Post by Yote 53 on Mar 13, 2011 11:47:16 GMT -6
Actually CF, UNO is a hockey school first. That program has grown into the jewel of their athletic dept. It packs the house and is the money maker for the athletic dept. I assume this transition will not affect the 8,000-10,000 seat on-campus hockey facility UNO is planning on building. I could see it as a dual purpose facility housing their newly D1 basketball program. The battle for Omaha has begun and I think UNO could unseat Creighton basketball as the hot ticket (They actually already have as UNO hockey is the hot ticket in town).
The sad reality for UNO football is that it was losing major money at the D2 level. No way it could transition to D1. The option is always there to bring it back down the line.
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UNO
Mar 13, 2011 13:28:41 GMT -6
Post by omahayote on Mar 13, 2011 13:28:41 GMT -6
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UNO
Mar 13, 2011 13:29:58 GMT -6
Post by omahayote on Mar 13, 2011 13:29:58 GMT -6
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UNO
Mar 13, 2011 13:43:21 GMT -6
Post by bigOyote on Mar 13, 2011 13:43:21 GMT -6
To tell the truth I am shocked. I never would have thought a school in Nebraska would propose dropping football. Why wrestling is expensive I don't know. UNO has definitely been a hockey school since about 2000 and the Mavs football have been horrid in the post season. I wonder if they will keep the football stadium for the proposed soccer team and high school games or will it make the perfect place for a hockey arena. The underlying problem is not just money but also parking. USD is very lucky to have little north of campus, UNO is land locked and only has room to expand due to the demise of Ak Sar Ben. Up until this year UNO hockey was in the back seat compared to Creighton Basketball. It will be interesting to see how the city reacts to two hopefully quality basketball programs. If UNO is forced to play at the Civic I doubt it will grow like it could. Tom Shatel column follows. He usually has a pretty good analysis of all thing sports in Omaha. omaha.com/article/20110312/SPORTS/703129742/1140#shatel-mavericks-move-up-is-smart-but-bittersweetNot seeing the relationship that our guest portays. Alberts is not some double agent for Lincoln i think he is showing the powers that be he knows and understands the business of sports and will be a possible replacment for Tom Osborn.
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UNO
Mar 13, 2011 13:48:16 GMT -6
Post by yoteforever on Mar 13, 2011 13:48:16 GMT -6
I read the article and have to admit it about ripped my guts out. We all talk about what's right and wrong about college sports, and this is clearly a case of what is right about college athletics. Then have your AD call you about 90 minutes after winning a freaking national championship and tell him the sport was being dropped. What a blow to the gut. I never have liked Trev Alberts and never will after this. I am glad Herbster got out of there when he did.
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UNO
Mar 13, 2011 13:56:56 GMT -6
Post by bigOyote on Mar 13, 2011 13:56:56 GMT -6
According to the article in the OWH this morning Alberts waited until the tournement was over to tell the coach and he could not reached by phone. By my estimation this was done because the paper was going to print the story today. What you can't tell from the internet was that this story was the head line today. Not Japan and not Libya but UNO. Which would you like better a late phone call or to open the paper in the morning and read the headline.
Yes it is an emotional thing but don't let your emotions cloud your judgment of the situation.
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UNO
Mar 13, 2011 14:19:49 GMT -6
Post by omahayote on Mar 13, 2011 14:19:49 GMT -6
According to the article in the OWH this morning Alberts waited until the tournement was over to tell the coach and he could not reached by phone. By my estimation this was done because the paper was going to print the story today. What you can't tell from the internet was that this story was the head line today. Not Japan and not Libya but UNO. Which would you like better a late phone call or to open the paper in the morning and read the headline. Yes it is an emotional thing but don't let your emotions cloud your judgment of the situation. Emotion is part of the equation. I get sick of people saying not to be emotional. We are all emotional. Alberts is an egotistical UNL FB butt kisser. He could have informed the Wrestling and FB HC privately and had them sign a non-disclosure agreement - this would have made them aware of the situation and not blind-sided them. Classless! I could strip out emotion like you suggest and even go so far as to make a business case for USD dropping FB - but there is an emotional element that would inspire me to fight to keep the program. Hopefully other Yote supporters will see what happens to programs that are struggling financially and join Howling Pack. College Athletics is about emotion. Get some! The Yote "fan base" has stripped out emotion too long. I have a feeling the red you wear to USD games has Nebraska all over it.
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UNO
Mar 13, 2011 14:54:03 GMT -6
Post by bigOyote on Mar 13, 2011 14:54:03 GMT -6
According to the article in the OWH this morning Alberts waited until the tournement was over to tell the coach and he could not reached by phone. By my estimation this was done because the paper was going to print the story today. What you can't tell from the internet was that this story was the head line today. Not Japan and not Libya but UNO. Which would you like better a late phone call or to open the paper in the morning and read the headline. Yes it is an emotional thing but don't let your emotions cloud your judgment of the situation. Emotion is part of the equation. I get sick of people saying not to be emotional. We are all emotional. Alberts is an egotistical UNL FB butt kisser. He could have informed the Wrestling and FB HC privately and had them sign a non-disclosure agreement - this would have made them aware of the situation and not blind-sided them. Classless! I could strip out emotion like you suggest and even go so far as to make a business case for USD dropping FB - but there is an emotional element that would inspire me to fight to keep the program. Hopefully other Yote supporters will see what happens to programs that are struggling financially and join Howling Pack. College Athletics is about emotion. Get some! The Yote "fan base" has stripped out emotion too long. I have a feeling the red you wear to USD games has Nebraska all over it. Other way around Junior. Emotion is fine at games but not in the board rooms were the big boy decisions are made. There is no satisfactory way to tell a nationally ranked program that it is being cut. I would think that it would be better to be told after the win than before. Having to deal with the program being cut as well as the competition could have cost the Mavs. If USD were to cut football they would save a ton of money and kill all the athletic programs at the same time. UNO did what they had to do, cut the money losers. At USD football has the greatest earnings potential of all of the sports. Much different than at UNO.
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UNO
Mar 13, 2011 15:12:11 GMT -6
Post by omahayote on Mar 13, 2011 15:12:11 GMT -6
Emotion is part of the equation. I get sick of people saying not to be emotional. We are all emotional. Alberts is an egotistical UNL FB butt kisser. He could have informed the Wrestling and FB HC privately and had them sign a non-disclosure agreement - this would have made them aware of the situation and not blind-sided them. Classless! I could strip out emotion like you suggest and even go so far as to make a business case for USD dropping FB - but there is an emotional element that would inspire me to fight to keep the program. Hopefully other Yote supporters will see what happens to programs that are struggling financially and join Howling Pack. College Athletics is about emotion. Get some! The Yote "fan base" has stripped out emotion too long. I have a feeling the red you wear to USD games has Nebraska all over it. Other way around Junior. Emotion is fine at games but not in the board rooms were the big boy decisions are made. There is no satisfactory way to tell a nationally ranked program that it is being cut. I would think that it would be better to be told after the win than before. Having to deal with the program being cut as well as the competition could have cost the Mavs. If USD were to cut football they would save a ton of money and kill all the athletic programs at the same time. UNO did what they had to do, cut the money losers. At USD football has the greatest earnings potential of all of the sports. Much different than at UNO. Have you been in a board room? I operate in the board room for a living and emotion is a huge part of it -- Not goofy rage that blinds you, but a different kind of emotion. Any leader I have met - sports, business, military - all are emotional. They do not usually have screaming - red - faced emotion. They more frequently have calm - calculated - focused emotion. They connect with people on an emotional level and that is why people follow them. If you have ever met or heard Tony Dungy, Jamie Dimon, or Colin Powell speak - you certainly know what I am referring. You are not giving the coaches credit as the professionals they are if you think they were better off hearing about it only after the axe fell. In fact, that makes Trev Alberts look even weaker. They are successful leaders of men. I know the football hc from multiple professional encounters over the last decade, and can tell you first-hand that he can deal with it. If you have researched the wrestling hc at all, you would agree he could too. USD FB does not have the greatest earning potential. Ask Sayler about the studies that the University has conducted through consultants. MBB is the meal-ticket. (and I am a fb guy.)
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UNO
Mar 13, 2011 15:30:24 GMT -6
Post by bigOyote on Mar 13, 2011 15:30:24 GMT -6
Other way around Junior. Emotion is fine at games but not in the board rooms were the big boy decisions are made. There is no satisfactory way to tell a nationally ranked program that it is being cut. I would think that it would be better to be told after the win than before. Having to deal with the program being cut as well as the competition could have cost the Mavs. If USD were to cut football they would save a ton of money and kill all the athletic programs at the same time. UNO did what they had to do, cut the money losers. At USD football has the greatest earnings potential of all of the sports. Much different than at UNO. Have you been in a board room? I operate in the board room for a living and emotion is a huge part of it -- Not goofy rage that blinds you, but a different kind of emotion. Any leader I have met - sports, business, military - all are emotional. They do not usually have screaming - red - faced emotion. They more frequently have calm - calculated - focused emotion. They connect with people on an emotional level and that is why people follow them. If you have ever met or heard Tony Dungy, Jamie Dimon, or Colin Powell speak - you certainly know what I am referring. You are not giving the coaches credit as the professionals they are if you think they were better off hearing about it only after the axe fell. In fact, that makes Trev Alberts look even weaker. They are successful leaders of men. I know the football hc from multiple professional encounters over the last decade, and can tell you first-hand that he can deal with it. If you have researched the wrestling hc at all, you would agree he could too. USD FB does not have the greatest earning potential. Ask Sayler about the studies that the University has conducted through consultants. MBB is the meal-ticket. (and I am a fb guy.) The emotion I was discussing was the type of whining I heard about the programs being cut and odd descriptions of Alberts. No I have not been in any board rooms I was in a classroom and grew dam* tired of whining. Educate me do you have a link to Salyer's discussion of the USD meal ticket. The last I knew about came with 19 meals a week, all you could eat.
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UNO
Mar 13, 2011 15:52:35 GMT -6
Post by omahayote on Mar 13, 2011 15:52:35 GMT -6
Have you been in a board room? I operate in the board room for a living and emotion is a huge part of it -- Not goofy rage that blinds you, but a different kind of emotion. Any leader I have met - sports, business, military - all are emotional. They do not usually have screaming - red - faced emotion. They more frequently have calm - calculated - focused emotion. They connect with people on an emotional level and that is why people follow them. If you have ever met or heard Tony Dungy, Jamie Dimon, or Colin Powell speak - you certainly know what I am referring. You are not giving the coaches credit as the professionals they are if you think they were better off hearing about it only after the axe fell. In fact, that makes Trev Alberts look even weaker. They are successful leaders of men. I know the football hc from multiple professional encounters over the last decade, and can tell you first-hand that he can deal with it. If you have researched the wrestling hc at all, you would agree he could too. USD FB does not have the greatest earning potential. Ask Sayler about the studies that the University has conducted through consultants. MBB is the meal-ticket. (and I am a fb guy.) The emotion I was discussing was the type of whining I heard about the programs being cut and odd descriptions of Alberts. No I have not been in any board rooms I was in a classroom and grew dam* tired of whining. Educate me do you have a link to Salyer's discussion of the USD meal ticket. The last I knew about came with 19 meals a week, all you could eat. No link, just verbal. Ask the next time you see Sayler or Herbie. If you take out the money games (soon to be game) for FB it is not even close. All cost projections require assumptions - changing the underlying assumptions changes the projection. How many paying fans attended the DD for home games this year? (less than 4000 per game.) Will USD FB average (real paying attendance) 6,000/8,000 /10,000 etc. - over 5 or 6 home games. If the rivalry with SDSU takes hold and USD has a new FB seating setup - could they sell 14,000 seats at an elevated ticket price? Even with optimistic growth in those areas from current levels, USD has to address a shortfall in what they spend on FB vs other MVFC teams. FB HC and Staff - salary and benefits costs will have to go up and will mute initial revenue growth from increased attendance numbers. FB success at the FCS level actually costs each school money. BB has the luxury of more home games and potential tournament money.
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