Illinois State

[teamsd]

My only qualm with the game plan is that we lost the game the second we quit running the ball. The valley is a meat grinder but the teams that win run the ball. Thank god our defense is lights out and we have an above average pool of backup QBs. I’ve always felt like Illinois State is a group that haunts us. They’re a program, but we’re still a team.

This is not the end of the world. It just makes the next game that much more important.

[Yotes]

Nothing to see here.............

[Coyote Fan]

After looking at the replay of the hit the way targeting is called nowadays that should have been a penalty. It appears to me that the defenders helmet was the first thing to hit camp. The thing I hate about the targeting rule is that you could have 100 officials look at a replay and have 50 of them rule one way and 50 of them rule another way. There is just too much gray area in this and considering the consequences of targeting they really need to take a second look at how they enforce the rule.

Also as the defender is approaching camp it appears at the last second that he lowers his helmet instead of raising his helmet for what would be a legal hit. I think how the defender acts and the split second before the hit makes all the difference in the world how it should be called. And as I said by rule I believe that should be targeting.

As I said in a previous post I believe that a defender can do much more damage to both himself and the player he is tackling if he lowers his helmet and leads with the crown of his helmet. I think if a defender leads with his head up in his face mask is the first thing to contact any part of the defender including the helmet I don't believe is as dangerous of a play and should be considered legal.

[yotealum86]

After Camp was hurt, we failed to adjust to our back ups skill set. As a result, we kept on passing, and with the exception of few passes, he was pretty inaccurate. I am not sure how many balls were overthrown, but quite a few.

We should have leaned on the running game.

This loss in on the offensive coaches. They put Stenstrom in an impossible position.

[sdyotefan]

I believe it was targeting especially if you compare it to Hayden's targeting call since this hit was more vicious!

Maybe some version of a soccer type rule might be helpful.
In soccer a careless foul would be a foul call, a reckless hit a yellow card and an excessive hit would be a red card with ejection for remainder of game plus a game. It was certainly excessive and involved the head.

So if true goal is player safety
gage the force of the hit to the head. A similar process as to why the crack back block is now disallowed.

[usdguy99]

Oct 24, 2021 0:52:31 GMT -6 Yotes said:

Nothing to see here.............

The dipping of the shoulder at impact was the deciding factor. Technically, he did not "lead" with his helmet. Had the defender not dipped his shoulder, this would have been targeting...in my opinion.

[easmus]

[flagshipU]

Oct 24, 2021 14:31:18 GMT -6 easmus said:

This video is the absolute definition of targeting. How the replay official got this wrong is beyond me.

[Yote 53]

That's targeting. MVFC refs are the worst in football. They miscalled several, huge, game changing plays. They shouldn't be allowed to ref a game again. That bad.

[Yotes]

That's targeting by the way I've learned it. Worst rule in football though because the range of what has and hasn't been called targeting is wide.

It doesn't matter though. If they throw the flag we don't magically get Camp back. We weren't way downfield where our backups were likely to finish a drive and score. Illinois State only got a blocked field goal out of the ill-gotten turnover. It absolutely sucks to lose your starting QB (and likely the game) to an illegal hit, but a flag won't cure a concussion.

[Coyote Fan]

I have to credit the female official who threw the flag all the way across the field and 30 yards down. She was the only one who flew a flag and even after a review she was still the only one that had it right. Give her a raise and fire everyone else. I give her credit for being bold and being right.

[Yote 53]

Many comments in the stands that she was the only competent ref on the field.

[gopheryote]

I was out of town, but watched the last 6 minutes on replay. Couple of thoughts:
- The missed call on Camp was bad, but didn't sway the game. We still had the ball with a chance to win twice in the final 6:00, and made it to the 4 yard line. Disappointing, but showed resolve from the backup freshman QB.
- A pick-six from the freshman back-up QB and one long run up the middle turned a narrative from 'we find ways to win' to 'everything and everyone sucks'. It is a fine line - and there are a ton of freshman on the field. Mistakes will happen - it is part of the game. I'm not too stressed out about it.
- The playoffs are still the goal, and still in play. But that begs the question about QB1. The way his head snapped on the hit (which should erase any thoughts that he wasn't hit directly in the helmet) certainly account for concussion protocol. But what is the word with his arm in a sling?

[nccyote]

Oct 25, 2021 8:26:09 GMT -6 gopheryote said:

I was out of town, but watched the last 6 minutes on replay. Couple of thoughts:
- The missed call on Camp was bad, but didn't sway the game. We still had the ball with a chance to win twice in the final 6:00, and made it to the 4 yard line. Disappointing, but showed resolve from the backup freshman QB.
- A pick-six from the freshman back-up QB and one long run up the middle turned a narrative from 'we find ways to win' to 'everything and everyone sucks'. It is a fine line - and there are a ton of freshman on the field. Mistakes will happen - it is part of the game. I'm not too stressed out about it.
- The playoffs are still the goal, and still in play. But that begs the question about QB1. The way his head snapped on the hit (which should erase any thoughts that he wasn't hit directly in the helmet) certainly account for concussion protocol. But what is the word with his arm in a sling?

Was wondering the same about the Camp injury.  I was at the game, he came back to the sideline after halftime and held a clipboard and had his left arm in a sling.  Has anyone heard any word about his injury?  Concussion, shoulder, collar bone?  He didn't really show any signs of being concussed standing on the sideline IMO.

The one positive about this is that we have a bye week to either get Camp healthy get Stentstrom or Lewis ready to go at WIU.

[Yote 53]

Two other plays I'd like to find on video are the fumble recovery that was overturned and called an incomplete pass. Would have set us up deep in ISUr territory. Also, the non-called encroachment penalty where the center snapped the ball because multiple ISUr players were in the neutral zone. QB wasn't ready so the snap went passed him and resulted in a 14 yard loss. No biggie as it was a neutral zone infraction on the defense, 5 yard penalty and a first down. Nope. No flag, 4th down we're kicking. Very next play was the big run for a TD by ISUr.

So that's 3 game changing plays that, I believe, the refs blew the call that directly impacted the outcome of this game.