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Post by kiyoat on Dec 3, 2021 16:26:29 GMT -6
So it looks like Warren Nolan's site has NET rankings now. Because the formula isn't public, and they tinker with it, I have to assume this is a simulated NET ranking.... that's fine with me. I'll just track both of them. (added to the OP)
#35 USD
#49 SDSU
#111 NDSU
#213 Omaha
#218 KC
#232 Denver
#235 WIU
#252 UND
#256 ORU
#356 UST (dead last)
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Post by gopheryote on Dec 3, 2021 18:47:41 GMT -6
Here is a big reason they have the #35 ranking.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 6, 2021 10:17:04 GMT -6
Just noticed the NET ranking from Warren Nolan hasn't been updated since April 4, I missed that. Guess it isn't a "simulated" NET rank after all. We will have to wait on an official NET rank.
But.... I did update our RPI. After the WSU win we are up to a #14 ranking!
and the Warren Nolan SOS is still #1
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Post by yote18 on Dec 6, 2021 22:26:21 GMT -6
Just noticed the NET ranking from Warren Nolan hasn't been updated since April 4, I missed that. Guess it isn't a "simulated" NET rank after all. We will have to wait on an official NET rank. But.... I did update our RPI. After the WSU win we are up to a #14 ranking! and the Warren Nolan SOS is still #1 Based on the most recent released by NCAA the top 3 NET ranking for the SL: USD 68, KC 69, SDSU 72 |
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 13, 2021 12:14:43 GMT -6
Monday Dec 13 NET rankings (Summit and non-con opponents included)
1 S Carolina
23 Texas A&M
32 Creighton
37 Oklahoma
64 Northwestern
67 Drake
69 USD
73 SDSU
79 Kansas City
98 Wichita State
99 Pitt
138 WIU
158 NDSU
184 ORU
186 Omaha
248 UND
254 Bradley
287 Denver
298 Valpo
340 St Thomas
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 15, 2021 10:28:57 GMT -6
we have been ranked in the bottom half of the mid-major poll for three weeks. I can't imagine that will hold through the season (meaning we should be higher). Here is a look at that poll, compared to the NET rank: | poll | team | / | NET | team | | 1 | Missouri St | / | 20 | Missouri St | | 2 | BYU | / | 27 | Gonzaga | | 3 | FGCU | / | 28 | BYU | | 4 | Gonzaga | / | 36 | UNI | | 5 | Cal Baptist | / | 39 | Princeton | | 6 | SFA | / | 41 | FGCU | | 7 | Stony Brook | / | 43 | Buffalo | | 8 | Princeton | / | 45 | Long Beach St | | 9 | Columbia | / | 53 | SFA | | 10 | Drake | / | 56 | IUPUI | | 11 | Belmont | / | 58 | Portland | | 12 | Buffalo | / | 65 | San Diego | | 13 | Kent St | / | 67 | Drake | | 14 | Long Beach St | / | 69 | Liberty | | 15 | UC Davis | / | 70 | USD | | 16 | UNI | / | 71 | Towson | | 17 | IUPUI | / | 72 | SDSU | | 18 | Bucknell | / | 75 | Toledo | | 19 | Towson | / | 77 | Belmont | | 20 | UTA | / | 81 | Kansas City | | 21 | USD | / | 88 | Ohio | | 22 | Drexel | / | 92 | Quinipiac | | 23 | Liberty | / | 95 | Kent St | | 24 | San Diego | / | 98 | Stony Brook | | 25 | Lehigh | / | 99 | Murray St |
I'm not saying we deserve to be in the top 5 or anything based on our performance, but top 15 is reasonable. Really, I'd feel pretty good about our chances against most of this list outside of the top 5 or so. |
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Post by yote18 on Dec 15, 2021 11:52:23 GMT -6
It’s extremely odd not to see USD and SDSU in the upper 1/3 of this poll and not to see SDSU at all. Just goes to show how lucky we are, also goes to show that most voters only look at records as we are still one of the top mid majors.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 17, 2021 9:21:35 GMT -6
After winning vs Creighton by 2 points,
RPI went from #49 to #31
net efficiency went from #136 to #137
NET went from #70 to #64
It's going to be an uphill battle to get back into at-large consideration, but if we win out and beat some teams by 10-20 points, I think the NET rank will slowly increase. We could get into the 50s, which is just outside of at-large for mid-majors, but at least our seed would be better.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 20, 2021 10:54:11 GMT -6
updated the first post with adding an NET chart with opponent's rankings...
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 21, 2021 8:42:43 GMT -6
Wow! Immediately after beating ORU 90-59, our NET rank went from #61 to #47! Looks like the combination of a strong SOS with an improving "net efficiency" is overcoming our early losses.
RPI went from #30 to #29
net eff went from #139 to #105
NET went from #61 to #47
I still don't know how everything is weighted, but this bodes well for our chance at an at-large if we can keep winning. Although we will be favored in every game, except for maybe in Brookings, running the table is never easy. At least we have given ourselves a shot with that non-con schedule. The SOS will take a hit when we have to play Denver UND and UST x2, but I'm encouraged by this jump.
Go Yotes!
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Post by seayote on Dec 21, 2021 9:11:48 GMT -6
Wow! Immediately after beating ORU 90-59, our NET rank went from #61 to #47! Looks like the combination of a strong SOS with an improving "net efficiency" is overcoming our early losses. RPI went from #30 to #29 net eff went from #139 to #105 NET went from #61 to #47 I still don't know how everything is weighted, but this bodes well for our chance at an at-large if we can keep winning. Although we will be favored in every game, except for maybe in Brookings, running the table is never easy. At least we have given ourselves a shot with that non-con schedule. The SOS will take a hit when we have to play Denver UND and UST x2, but I'm encouraged by this jump. Go Yotes! That's encouraging to see! If we can knock off 10-2 UMKC decisively tomorrow, would you anticipate a similar surge? I don't want to put the cart ahead of the horse, but it's fun to consider the possibilities, as well as it'll be interesting to see at what point we begin to plateau in these rankings in light of a weak conference schedule. Thanks, Kiyoat, for all the time and effort you put in to supply us with data. |
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 21, 2021 9:37:37 GMT -6
Wow! Immediately after beating ORU 90-59, our NET rank went from #61 to #47! Looks like the combination of a strong SOS with an improving "net efficiency" is overcoming our early losses. RPI went from #30 to #29 net eff went from #139 to #105 NET went from #61 to #47 I still don't know how everything is weighted, but this bodes well for our chance at an at-large if we can keep winning. Although we will be favored in every game, except for maybe in Brookings, running the table is never easy. At least we have given ourselves a shot with that non-con schedule. The SOS will take a hit when we have to play Denver UND and UST x2, but I'm encouraged by this jump. Go Yotes! That's encouraging to see! If we can knock off 10-2 UMKC decisively tomorrow, would you anticipate a similar surge? I don't want to put the cart ahead of the horse, but it's fun to consider the possibilities, as well as it'll be interesting to see at what point we begin to plateau in these rankings in light of a weak conference schedule. Thanks, Kiyoat, for all the time and effort you put in to supply us with data. Hard to say, but KC shouldn't hurt our SOS, and beating them by any margin is good for the W/L. Better than losing. Any conference losses will be costly. If the game is close, it won't improve our net efficiency much. If we win by double-digits, I think we would really benefit from that, ranking-wise. Road wins at KC and at SDSU might be considered "Quadrant-1" games, too, depending on if they both keep winning conference games (I think they will). So that would be significant. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 21, 2021 21:21:27 GMT -6
The good thing about NET is that the Coyotes tend to beat most opponents by a bigger margin on average than SDSU does. That should help the Coyotes.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 22, 2021 16:45:38 GMT -6
Our RPI rank just went up from #29 to #17 after beating Kansas City! We will have to see about the NET ranking tomorrow...
Charlie Creme, get your sh!t straight.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 23, 2021 0:04:06 GMT -6
Nice start to the Summit season. Nothing wrong with the relatively close win in KC. Blowout of ORU and the Coyotes are just fine.
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