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Post by lakesbison on Nov 21, 2021 9:10:50 GMT -6
I didn't get 1 gametime post in...cmon man.
anyways, everything clicked for ndsu.
South Dakota will bounce back, hopefully they send a team to DakotaDome that you can beat up on!
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 21, 2021 9:33:50 GMT -6
Serious? We know what happened. So you come on and post a play that shoves it in our face? Then you say I hope you get someone you can pound on?
I’m not sure we can beat you no matter how well we play. But I’d like to find out one more time. I hope you get a team in your Dome you can beat as well…it’s good for The Valley
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Post by logicfan on Nov 22, 2021 9:40:59 GMT -6
I’ve mentioned this before, but we played 4 teams this season the week after they played NDSU. The bison like to say they can beat you twice because you’re so beat up after they play you. We went 3-1 in those games, and the 1 has an * because Camp got taken out on the high hit. If we play next week, hopefully we aren’t sluggish after they beat us up. I broke this stat down before. They're just trying to take pride in a poor schedule and teams incidentally having an overmatched situation the following week anyways. NDSU was not impressive this year. They did finally figure out how to throw the ball though, and are now probably going to roll through the playoffs. You keep saying NDSU was not impressive? The defense had 3 shutouts this year, along with holding Indiana St to 2 points. There are 2 types of Bison Title teams: The undefeated Juggernauts (2013, 2018 & 2019) and the 1 loss teams who battled (2011, 2012, 2014, 2015 & 2018). In all of those 1 loss season the teams had multiple one score Valley games , but they always came out on top just like this year. Regarding QB play, Brock Jensen was one more bad game from potentially being benched in 2012, but rebounded and became arguably the greatest FCS QB of all time. Same with Easton Stick who had to figure it out in 2015 & 2016. Im not saying Cam Miller is either of those, but he is better at this point in his 1st Full season than Jensen or Stick were. |
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Post by thesocalledfan on Nov 22, 2021 10:26:51 GMT -6
Before the game, I said Camp is better than Miller.....now I'm not so sure, and I could be seeing the world through my Bison colored glasses. What is your guys opinion after watching him first hand compared to Camp? This could be a cool pair of QBs to follow for the next few years.
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 22, 2021 10:37:08 GMT -6
Before the game, I said Camp is better than Miller.....now I'm not so sure, and I could be seeing the world through my Bison colored glasses. What is your guys opinion after watching him first hand compared to Camp? This could be a cool pair of QBs to follow for the next few years.This is my take. |
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Post by fightsd on Nov 22, 2021 10:43:17 GMT -6
Before the game, I said Camp is better than Miller.....now I'm not so sure, and I could be seeing the world through my Bison colored glasses. What is your guys opinion after watching him first hand compared to Camp? This could be a cool pair of QBs to follow for the next few years. I'm still of the opinion that Camp is the better QB out of the two. He doesn't have the system or weapons around him that Miller and NDSU obviously have. Now I could be totally wrong here and let me know if I am, but I've thought about it a little bit over the past several years. I think NDSU quarterbacks are made, not born. It's pretty incredible that we've seen the last 3 (it is 3, right?) NDSU QBs end up on NFL rosters. I don't think these kids were recruited as future NFL arms. If they were, they'd have a bunch of P5 offers. Something about the system in Fargo and the ability to win and put up gawdy numbers turns these kids into Sunday afternoon guys. I still like Camp over Miller, but we'll see how both of their careers progress. Will Miller be another first round guy? Will Camp turn enough heads to get a shot on draft day? Who knows I guess. |
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Post by thesocalledfan on Nov 22, 2021 12:48:09 GMT -6
Before the game, I said Camp is better than Miller.....now I'm not so sure, and I could be seeing the world through my Bison colored glasses. What is your guys opinion after watching him first hand compared to Camp? This could be a cool pair of QBs to follow for the next few years. I'm still of the opinion that Camp is the better QB out of the two. He doesn't have the system or weapons around him that Miller and NDSU obviously have. Now I could be totally wrong here and let me know if I am, but I've thought about it a little bit over the past several years. I think NDSU quarterbacks are made, not born. It's pretty incredible that we've seen the last 3 (it is 3, right?) NDSU QBs end up on NFL rosters. I don't think these kids were recruited as future NFL arms. If they were, they'd have a bunch of P5 offers. Something about the system in Fargo and the ability to win and put up gawdy numbers turns these kids into Sunday afternoon guys. I still like Camp over Miller, but we'll see how both of their careers progress. Will Miller be another first round guy? Will Camp turn enough heads to get a shot on draft day? Who knows I guess. Great post! As to your point, I think it is a little of both at NDSU. They have a great QB coach, too, in Randy Hedberg (very seasoned coach you may remember from UND and St. Cloud days and former NFL player) which plays into your "made" theory. However, Carson had a bad injury his junior year of high school and missed the recruiting bus. Famous story is Brent Vigen (current Montana St. coach) went to see him play on a Friday night his senior year, and immediately called Bohl and told him to offer. He never had a single P5 offer; best was a MAC school and actually had his heart set on NDSU as a Bismarck kid. Easton and Trey both had elite athleticism, but P5 teams were not so big on offering at QB......Easton was offered as a QB by Rutgers, but turned them down to go NDSU. Trey could have played probably at any P5 school if he moved to defense, but her refused as he said "I'm a QB." (Flecks most legendary miss ever as Trey wanted a MN offer; Fleck wanted him to play safety and went with Tanner Morgan......) Boise St was his highest offer at QB. Going to be really fun to watch these young men going forward. My daughter goes to USD, so that makes it even more fun for me to watch Camp do well. |
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Post by lakesbison on Nov 22, 2021 15:06:39 GMT -6
holy crap, we can have to play again??
NDSU AD is on the committee, how did he not spread out the MVFC better.??
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Post by bobo on Nov 22, 2021 16:19:05 GMT -6
It is extremely hard to judge two QBs playing in two completely different offensive systems. I was at the game and I’m sorry, but there wasn’t a throw Cam Miller made that any college or decent high school QB couldn’t have made. Show me a high level throw that wasn’t a 1 step smoke route that went for 85 yards, a bootleg throw in the flat, a five yard hitch route or an easy comeback route off heavy run action. To be honest, he missed the high level throws bad on the two tight window TE seam routes. NDSU offense is predicated off their run game and shot play-action or bootlegs. If you can contain them on 1st and 2nd down they are NOT good throwing the ball in predictable passing situations. It’s like getting an option or wingT team into 3rd & long, they don’t like it and aren’t in it much, plus their drop back passing game is extremely limited.
Camp is by far, a better thrower of the ball. Hard to judge decision-making because he’s full field reading the concept and not just throwing to a specific WR or only reading half the field.
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