|
|
Post by Yotes on Sept 19, 2022 20:08:53 GMT -6
Saturday at 1 PM. We are coming off a win, they are coming off a loss. Sounds like a Yote victory to me.
|
|
bobo
Sophomore Member
Posts: 238
|
Post by bobo on Sept 20, 2022 5:55:41 GMT -6
Exciting week for sure. I had a chance to watch NDSU play Arizona on replay. Couple things stand out!
Offensively, Arizona moved the ball effectively because their OL was very physical in pass protection and didn’t get bullied around the whole day which distorted the DL enough to allow Arizona’s QB to extend a ton of plays and hurt NDSU with his feet or hit some really nice balls down the field. Arizona’s WB is NOT a good thrower, but did hit some good ones for chunks. Because NDSU is typically a huge zone team, there are definitely windows to complete balls, but it will depend on if Camp has time to deliver accurately. Running the ball will be tough sledding, but we need to keep pounding it even if it’s gaining minimal yardage.
Defensively, NDSU was able to stay toe to toe with Arizona all night. Our defense will need to strap it up and understand this is going to be big boy football and physical as crap. My biggest worry is that our DBs will get caught with eyes in the backfield too much or not miss tackles in space which both create big plays for NDSU. I’m sure NDSU is salivating after seeing the huge chunk passes we gave up to Cal Poly in one on one situations.
We need to understand that we need to get this into the 4th quarter and then grind it out and see what happens and if we can make enough plays down the stretch to win it. NDSU is battle tested so it will be tough and they won’t hand it to us, we will have to earn a win.
|
|
|
|
Post by Yote 53 on Sept 20, 2022 8:11:39 GMT -6
I wonder when was the last time NDSU lost two regular season games in a row? (Non-COVID year which was a fake season).
We watched the Arizona/NDSU game Saturday night and I came away from that thinking we have a chance in this game. NDSU just didn't look like the Bison teams of the past that made plays, finished drives, and played shut down defense. something was just different. Arizona is not that good, even if they are FBS, that program is not in a good place right now.
That said, we have a lot to clean up too after Saturday's game. We need to be able to run the ball and play defense to win. Simple as that.
|
|
MD
Sophomore Member
Make the secondary logo great again..
Posts: 221 
|
Post by MD on Sept 20, 2022 8:55:12 GMT -6
From the Twitter machine
"Top-ranked North Dakota State (2-1) visits South Dakota (1-2) on Saturday following a loss at Arizona. The Bison have not dropped back-to-back games since a five-game losing streak in 2009."
|
|
bobo
Sophomore Member
Posts: 238
|
Post by bobo on Sept 22, 2022 11:57:05 GMT -6
I'm not a genius, but I am a logical person. We had better get this one figured out real quick this week or our offense will not move the ball at all vs NDSU. This is on the coaches and the QB. To be honest, it is unbelievable and blatantly ludicrous to have our best WR with 2 catches after three games and most of the "targets" weren't even close. As a former Yote, this has to change because Bell causes problems for the defense with the ball in his hands. Figure it out.
From News and Notes for the NDSU game
"One connection yet to get going this season is Camp to Carter Bell, the Coyotes' leading receiver last year with 41 catches for 673 yards and five touchdowns. Bell caught two passes for 18 yards in the season-opener against Kansas State. He was targeted six times against Montana and once last week against Cal Poly, but was held without a catch. Bell entered the Montana game having caught a pass in 17 consecutive games."
|
|
|
|
NDSU 2022
Sept 22, 2022 14:40:25 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by ElsenMidco on Sept 22, 2022 14:40:25 GMT -6
|
|
|
|
Post by 88grad on Sept 22, 2022 18:44:02 GMT -6
This may belong in a thread of its own but I believe USD has been at its best when we’ve had a dual threat QB. Jones, Shepard, Beschorner, Streveler….Without a serious run threat we seem to be just meh on offense. Anyone else feeling that?
|
|
|
|
Post by Yotes on Sept 22, 2022 20:10:35 GMT -6
This may belong in a thread of its own but I believe USD has been at its best when we’ve had a dual threat QB. Jones, Shepard, Beschorner, Streveler….Without a serious run threat we seem to be just meh on offense. Anyone else feeling that? One of those guys played D1 and he is in the NFL. My favorite QB is a dual threat QB, but plenty of people have reached the top without one. Most of them really. I'll take whatever wins games. |
|
|
|
Post by nccyote on Sept 23, 2022 8:11:59 GMT -6
This may belong in a thread of its own but I believe USD has been at its best when we’ve had a dual threat QB. Jones, Shepard, Beschorner, Streveler….Without a serious run threat we seem to be just meh on offense. Anyone else feeling that? Camp isn't a statue, he had a 75 yd TD run last week for crying out loud. We just need our QB to be efficient in the run & pass game. Make the easy throws when they're presented. In the QB run game, get what you can and protect yourself. To me, it seems like Camp is often times searching for the big play even when it's not there, holding the ball, taking sacks, being reckless and turning the ball over. We don't need a gunslinger, get the ball out and let your skill guys make plays. Its not just on Carson, either, it's the play caller and design of the offense as well. |
|
|
|
Post by golfingyote on Sept 23, 2022 9:43:07 GMT -6
This may belong in a thread of its own but I believe USD has been at its best when we’ve had a dual threat QB. Jones, Shepard, Beschorner, Streveler….Without a serious run threat we seem to be just meh on offense. Anyone else feeling that? Camp isn't a statue, he had a 75 yd TD run last week for crying out loud. We just need our QB to be efficient in the run & pass game. Make the easy throws when they're presented. In the QB run game, get what you can and protect yourself. To me, it seems like Camp is often times searching for the big play even when it's not there, holding the ball, taking sacks, being reckless and turning the ball over. We don't need a gunslinger, get the ball out and let your skill guys make plays. Its not just on Carson, either, it's the play caller and design of the offense as well. Agreed- when Camp struggles it seems like its because he is too worried about what is happening in front of him with the O Line. if the O line holds up early, he does well because he is comfortable standing in the pocket. when he loses confidence in them his eyes move to the line instead of downfield and he seems to step into pressure more often then not when trying to evade it. that is not just a this year thing either IMO. when I watched the Montana game back there was 3-4 shotgun snaps in the 2nd/3rd quarters where it looked like he took the snap and immediately was looking at the line/defenders with just no chance for success throwing it. |
|
|
|
Post by fightsd on Sept 23, 2022 10:43:17 GMT -6
This may belong in a thread of its own but I believe USD has been at its best when we’ve had a dual threat QB. Jones, Shepard, Beschorner, Streveler….Without a serious run threat we seem to be just meh on offense. Anyone else feeling that? Camp isn't a statue, he had a 75 yd TD run last week for crying out loud. We just need our QB to be efficient in the run & pass game. Make the easy throws when they're presented. In the QB run game, get what you can and protect yourself. To me, it seems like Camp is often times searching for the big play even when it's not there, holding the ball, taking sacks, being reckless and turning the ball over. We don't need a gunslinger, get the ball out and let your skill guys make plays. Its not just on Carson, either, it's the play caller and design of the offense as well. Last week might be the first time I can recall Camp pulling one of those zone read looks. A couple good pulls a game and that would go along way. But you're right, he is plenty mobile in the pocket. I'd just like to see him call his own number once in a while |
|
bobo
Sophomore Member
Posts: 238
|
Post by bobo on Sept 23, 2022 14:50:14 GMT -6
Some very valid points. The biggest thing with Camp isn't arm talent or the ability to escape (he is not a running QB), it is his ability to recognize coverage looks pre-snap and process information fast enough and the eye discipline to truly understand the pass concept called and to make reads fast enough post-snap. Another major issue is the inability to anticipate throws and throw WRs open, he seems to wait for it to be absolutely clean before he throws it (this is why he is pretty decent at the RPO game because it either is open or it isn't based off the read key triggering, there's no variability), unfortunately that creates sacks, throwing into coverage, or having to escape the pocket when it's not needed if the ball came out on time. Yes, he has had to deal with a porous pocket quite a few times in the first 2 games, but Cal Poly's defense was like shooting fish in a barrel, so a high % was expected. The biggest one for me though is the inaccuracy. The #1 predictor of a high level QB is the ability to put the ball at least catchable consistently on throws past 15 yards in the middle of the field and deeper on the edges, this he struggles with mightily except for the RPO throws. Make the routine throws and then once in a while pull one out of nowhere to make a huge play.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2022 18:27:00 GMT -6
Some very valid points. The biggest thing with Camp isn't arm talent or the ability to escape (he is not a running QB), it is his ability to recognize coverage looks pre-snap and process information fast enough and the eye discipline to truly understand the pass concept called and to make reads fast enough post-snap. Another major issue is the inability to anticipate throws and throw WRs open, he seems to wait for it to be absolutely clean before he throws it (this is why he is pretty decent at the RPO game because it either is open or it isn't based off the read key triggering, there's no variability), unfortunately that creates sacks, throwing into coverage, or having to escape the pocket when it's not needed if the ball came out on time. Yes, he has had to deal with a porous pocket quite a few times in the first 2 games, but Cal Poly's defense was like shooting fish in a barrel, so a high % was expected. The biggest one for me though is the inaccuracy. The #1 predictor of a high level QB is the ability to put the ball at least catchable consistently on throws past 15 yards in the middle of the field and deeper on the edges, this he struggles with mightily except for the RPO throws. Make the routine throws and then once in a while pull one out of nowhere to make a huge play. Lot of coach talk there but I agree Carson has missed some throws the start of this season but his overall body of work would not say he’s an inaccurate QB, not sure you can make the evaluation that he struggles with coverage recognition / post snap reads based on inaccuracy. Although some of that may be the case, I certainly wouldn’t make such a direct statement based on that info. I do agree he has struggled this season to make some “routine throws” From my eye there are other factors involved. #1 the OL has given up 13 sacks in the first 3 games, any QB would be uncomfortable, and when teams play the Yotes, they are, to a very high degree, playing Man to Man coverage in crucial passing situations. #2 Our receivers, all of them except for Brett Sampson last year, cant separate from man coverage. Shouldn’t have to rely on pick routes and scheme to beat Man to man. Combine those two things and you lose some accuracy and poise in the pocket. We all saw the downtick in production when Carson got hurt last year. I think quite a few universities would love to have a QB like Carson on their team. And he’s a sophomore. (Pretty sure) |
|
|
|
Post by wrj on Sept 23, 2022 20:03:53 GMT -6
Is the game sold out?
|
|
bobo
Sophomore Member
Posts: 238
|
NDSU 2022
Sept 23, 2022 21:43:13 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by bobo on Sept 23, 2022 21:43:13 GMT -6
You got me, retired after 38 years of coaching has given me a little bit of perspective on what it takes to play the position and the detailed nuances. If you read my post, I didn’t lump inaccuracy in with the pre and post snap recognition and decision making. They are two separate entities, but one adds up to the other especially in the highest level games. Sacks are due to poor protection at times and slow decision making or bad eyes at times. I find it funny that you reference the WRs not separating in man coverage, when overthrows and bad ball placement on throws vs man coverage were the issues in the first 2 games when the opportunities presented themselves for big plays. Last time I remember from last year, Brett Samson was not the go to guy in that offense, but was a terrific option due to excellent ball skills and made some terrific catches.
|
|
