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Post by brownie on Oct 16, 2022 6:20:36 GMT -6
Just reading the tea leaves, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a mass exodus of players especially at the offensive skill positions. Just hunch. Thanks Coach Bobo(the clown). Put the telestrator away and watch the real game going on in front of you, not the highlights/lowlights. This team has very little talent at the “playmakers” positions. That ball thrown to Bell absolutely should’ve been caught. Hits your hands, you better secure it. You bring his name up almost every post that he’s not involved in the game? He returns punts right? Well, when was the last time he actually returned a punt and the Offense didn’t start a drive at the 10 yard line? He’s the fair catch king. Maybe he doesn’t frighten Defenses like you think he does. He’s not Cooper Kupp. Elidor dropped a huge one too on the same drive, that may have been a big hitter. So enough of the give the ball to our “Big Time” players. Sorry Coach Bozo, we don’t have anyone. Makes me wonder why Jeremiah Webb couldn’t have been talked into staying. Did you see the Big Fella for ISU yesterday? I’m pretty sure Camp would love to have him around to throw to. Do we have a TE anymore? If so, do they play and contribute? Sorry, Galbreath isn’t a TE either, possession receiver at best. Not a game changer. What happened to Goering? Seemed like he caught some passes last year. Phelps had a pretty good game yesterday, maybe he should be getting more of an opportunity. I agree with a previous poster that this team has no bodies, the coaching staff is a train wreck, and the play calling is awful. Why is Theis used for one quarter and then we really don’t see him again until the fourth? I think I understand the thought behind that, but slamming him into lineman thru 3 quarters instead of the first and fourth quarters might work better. Special teams. Missed another kick, that’s points we needed. You saw the the final score. I actually thought the O line was a little better yesterday and didn’t seem to get destroyed as much as usual. I’m also not sure that Bouman is gonna be the answer, doesn’t really look the part or have the stature for that position for whatever offense we are running (we don’t have one). Be realistic about why he was the #5 QB at Iowa State. Pretty sure he’s here because Dad made a phone call to the DFO. Was he offered anywhere else when he hit the portal? Maybe they gave up on Stenstrom too early in his development and now we’ll never know. I’d also say the rest of the QB room isn’t probably ever gonna contribute much down the road. I do agree there will probably be a mass exodus or firings, including coaches, Camp, maybe Theis, and a few of the Defensive players. But if they leave or are told to leave, I’m not sure we can find any quality replacements for them in the immediate future. I’m totally fine with starting all over with new players and coaches, but be prepared for a serious rebuild and a few years of sitting at the bottom of the Valley for a while. I’m not sure this is a desired destination for any up and coming coaches or players. When you go get someone who was buried on an FBS school depth chart, probably a reason why. No guarantee they can come down to even the FCS level and play. Plus, I really think we’ve gotten lucky with what we’ve ended up with now. May not be like that going forward. |
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Post by easmus on Oct 16, 2022 8:28:18 GMT -6
I am not sure they wanted Webb back after he allegedly got into a fight downtown last spring.
Theis usually plays the first two possessions, then Lawrence plays the next two. When our offense can’t sustain drives, it makes it appear that Theis plays Q1 then disappears until 2nd half. It’s just that the offense sucks and only has 3-4 possessions per half.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 9:14:20 GMT -6
Thanks Coach Bobo(the clown). Put the telestrator away and watch the real game going on in front of you, not the highlights/lowlights. This team has very little talent at the “playmakers” positions. That ball thrown to Bell absolutely should’ve been caught. Hits your hands, you better secure it. You bring his name up almost every post that he’s not involved in the game? He returns punts right? Well, when was the last time he actually returned a punt and the Offense didn’t start a drive at the 10 yard line? He’s the fair catch king. Maybe he doesn’t frighten Defenses like you think he does. He’s not Cooper Kupp. Elidor dropped a huge one too on the same drive, that may have been a big hitter. So enough of the give the ball to our “Big Time” players. Sorry Coach Bozo, we don’t have anyone. Makes me wonder why Jeremiah Webb couldn’t have been talked into staying. Did you see the Big Fella for ISU yesterday? I’m pretty sure Camp would love to have him around to throw to. Do we have a TE anymore? If so, do they play and contribute? Sorry, Galbreath isn’t a TE either, possession receiver at best. Not a game changer. What happened to Goering? Seemed like he caught some passes last year. Phelps had a pretty good game yesterday, maybe he should be getting more of an opportunity. I agree with a previous poster that this team has no bodies, the coaching staff is a train wreck, and the play calling is awful. Why is Theis used for one quarter and then we really don’t see him again until the fourth? I think I understand the thought behind that, but slamming him into lineman thru 3 quarters instead of the first and fourth quarters might work better. Special teams. Missed another kick, that’s points we needed. You saw the the final score. I actually thought the O line was a little better yesterday and didn’t seem to get destroyed as much as usual. I’m also not sure that Bouman is gonna be the answer, doesn’t really look the part or have the stature for that position for whatever offense we are running (we don’t have one). Be realistic about why he was the #5 QB at Iowa State. Pretty sure he’s here because Dad made a phone call to the DFO. Was he offered anywhere else when he hit the portal? Maybe they gave up on Stenstrom too early in his development and now we’ll never know. I’d also say the rest of the QB room isn’t probably ever gonna contribute much down the road. I do agree there will probably be a mass exodus or firings, including coaches, Camp, maybe Theis, and a few of the Defensive players. But if they leave or are told to leave, I’m not sure we can find any quality replacements for them in the immediate future. I’m totally fine with starting all over with new players and coaches, but be prepared for a serious rebuild and a few years of sitting at the bottom of the Valley for a while. I’m not sure this is a desired destination for any up and coming coaches or players. When you go get someone who was buried on an FBS school depth chart, probably a reason why. No guarantee they can come down to even the FCS level and play. Plus, I really think we’ve gotten lucky with what we’ve ended up with now. May not be like that going forward. Agreed on the point Bell could have made that catch, also believe he could have been targeted more. Disagree on the punt returns, #1 Punt return team in the Valley. If there is an exodus of players, that may be fine, make room for players that WANT to be a Yote. Not a lot of success stories leaving to enter the portal so far from South Dakota. Kody Case can’t sniff the field at Illinois and he was certainly better than any skill player we have currently. I can’t think of one single player outside of Levi Falk that left the program and played anywhere else. Correct me if I’m wrong? |
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Post by dbyote on Oct 16, 2022 9:21:14 GMT -6
Thanks Coach Bobo(the clown). Put the telestrator away and watch the real game going on in front of you, not the highlights/lowlights. This team has very little talent at the “playmakers” positions. That ball thrown to Bell absolutely should’ve been caught. Hits your hands, you better secure it. You bring his name up almost every post that he’s not involved in the game? He returns punts right? Well, when was the last time he actually returned a punt and the Offense didn’t start a drive at the 10 yard line? He’s the fair catch king. Maybe he doesn’t frighten Defenses like you think he does. He’s not Cooper Kupp. Elidor dropped a huge one too on the same drive, that may have been a big hitter. So enough of the give the ball to our “Big Time” players. Sorry Coach Bozo, we don’t have anyone. Makes me wonder why Jeremiah Webb couldn’t have been talked into staying. Did you see the Big Fella for ISU yesterday? I’m pretty sure Camp would love to have him around to throw to. Do we have a TE anymore? If so, do they play and contribute? Sorry, Galbreath isn’t a TE either, possession receiver at best. Not a game changer. What happened to Goering? Seemed like he caught some passes last year. Phelps had a pretty good game yesterday, maybe he should be getting more of an opportunity. I agree with a previous poster that this team has no bodies, the coaching staff is a train wreck, and the play calling is awful. Why is Theis used for one quarter and then we really don’t see him again until the fourth? I think I understand the thought behind that, but slamming him into lineman thru 3 quarters instead of the first and fourth quarters might work better. Special teams. Missed another kick, that’s points we needed. You saw the the final score. I actually thought the O line was a little better yesterday and didn’t seem to get destroyed as much as usual. I’m also not sure that Bouman is gonna be the answer, doesn’t really look the part or have the stature for that position for whatever offense we are running (we don’t have one). Be realistic about why he was the #5 QB at Iowa State. Pretty sure he’s here because Dad made a phone call to the DFO. Was he offered anywhere else when he hit the portal? Maybe they gave up on Stenstrom too early in his development and now we’ll never know. I’d also say the rest of the QB room isn’t probably ever gonna contribute much down the road. I do agree there will probably be a mass exodus or firings, including coaches, Camp, maybe Theis, and a few of the Defensive players. But if they leave or are told to leave, I’m not sure we can find any quality replacements for them in the immediate future. I’m totally fine with starting all over with new players and coaches, but be prepared for a serious rebuild and a few years of sitting at the bottom of the Valley for a while. I’m not sure this is a desired destination for any up and coming coaches or players. When you go get someone who was buried on an FBS school depth chart, probably a reason why. No guarantee they can come down to even the FCS level and play. Plus, I really think we’ve gotten lucky with what we’ve ended up with now. May not be like that going forward. Agreed on the point Bell could have made that catch, also believe he could have been targeted more. Disagree on the punt returns, #1 Punt return team in the Valley. If there is an exodus of players, that may be fine, make room for players that WANT to be a Yote. Not a lot of success stories leaving to enter the portal so far from South Dakota. Kody Case can’t sniff the field at Illinois and he was certainly better than any skill player we have currently. I can’t think of one single player outside of Levi Falk that left the program and played anywhere else. Correct me if I’m wrong? Van Ginkel. He is the exception to the rule. |
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Post by brownie on Oct 16, 2022 9:24:24 GMT -6
I am not sure they wanted Webb back after he allegedly got into a fight downtown last spring. Theis usually plays the first two possessions, then Lawrence plays the next two. When our offense can’t sustain drives, it makes it appear that Theis plays Q1 then disappears until 2nd half. It’s just that the offense sucks and only has 3-4 possessions per half. I’m just baffled as to why the offense sucks. What happened? How did it go from being fairly proficient last season to a complete mess this year. I don’t think the players suddenly went from being pretty good to complete crap. What caused the QB play to be less than average? I can’t believe he suddenly forgot how to play. He was pretty decent last season and probably did as well as a Freshman should be expected to do. A lot has been said about the receivers not getting open downfield. Or do they have no idea what their routes or assignments are. Can’t “throw anyone open” if they aren’t where they’re supposed to be. The O line obviously has its issues and has struggled in pass protection. Deciding to huddle up yesterday was awful. Gave the D time to get situated. But when you try the same stuff over and over with little to no success, you can probably sit in a base defense and have a field day. It’s been pretty evident the play calling has been a throw crap at the wall and see what sticks approach. Is there a lot of drama in the locker room? Do they not want to play for this coaching staff? Did they just over achieve last season? A lot of questions about what’s really going on in there. |
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Post by sdyotefan on Oct 16, 2022 9:44:11 GMT -6
Brownie -- FYI Webb is at South Alabama and hasn't caught a pass yet.
I think we have offensive talent but they aren't necessarily being used effectively.
You can have some Jimmy and Joes but you to have more effective Xs and Os and with more variety!!
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Post by Yotes on Oct 16, 2022 9:45:19 GMT -6
Thanks Coach Bobo(the clown). Put the telestrator away and watch the real game going on in front of you, not the highlights/lowlights. This team has very little talent at the “playmakers” positions. That ball thrown to Bell absolutely should’ve been caught. Hits your hands, you better secure it. You bring his name up almost every post that he’s not involved in the game? He returns punts right? Well, when was the last time he actually returned a punt and the Offense didn’t start a drive at the 10 yard line? He’s the fair catch king. Maybe he doesn’t frighten Defenses like you think he does. He’s not Cooper Kupp. Elidor dropped a huge one too on the same drive, that may have been a big hitter. So enough of the give the ball to our “Big Time” players. Sorry Coach Bozo, we don’t have anyone. Makes me wonder why Jeremiah Webb couldn’t have been talked into staying. Did you see the Big Fella for ISU yesterday? I’m pretty sure Camp would love to have him around to throw to. Do we have a TE anymore? If so, do they play and contribute? Sorry, Galbreath isn’t a TE either, possession receiver at best. Not a game changer. What happened to Goering? Seemed like he caught some passes last year. Phelps had a pretty good game yesterday, maybe he should be getting more of an opportunity. I agree with a previous poster that this team has no bodies, the coaching staff is a train wreck, and the play calling is awful. Why is Theis used for one quarter and then we really don’t see him again until the fourth? I think I understand the thought behind that, but slamming him into lineman thru 3 quarters instead of the first and fourth quarters might work better. Special teams. Missed another kick, that’s points we needed. You saw the the final score. I actually thought the O line was a little better yesterday and didn’t seem to get destroyed as much as usual. I’m also not sure that Bouman is gonna be the answer, doesn’t really look the part or have the stature for that position for whatever offense we are running (we don’t have one). Be realistic about why he was the #5 QB at Iowa State. Pretty sure he’s here because Dad made a phone call to the DFO. Was he offered anywhere else when he hit the portal? Maybe they gave up on Stenstrom too early in his development and now we’ll never know. I’d also say the rest of the QB room isn’t probably ever gonna contribute much down the road. I do agree there will probably be a mass exodus or firings, including coaches, Camp, maybe Theis, and a few of the Defensive players. But if they leave or are told to leave, I’m not sure we can find any quality replacements for them in the immediate future. I’m totally fine with starting all over with new players and coaches, but be prepared for a serious rebuild and a few years of sitting at the bottom of the Valley for a while. I’m not sure this is a desired destination for any up and coming coaches or players. When you go get someone who was buried on an FBS school depth chart, probably a reason why. No guarantee they can come down to even the FCS level and play. Plus, I really think we’ve gotten lucky with what we’ve ended up with now. May not be like that going forward. Not sure why you feel the need to attack bobo. I don't think he ever said we had talent at the skill positions, or that an exodus would be bad, just that he thinks there could be a lot of departures from those positions. It doesn't seem that you disagree with that notion either. It's clear to me that this group is why we don't stand a chance every Saturday. Talent? Coaching? I'm not sure where the breakdown is, but it's crippling the whole team. All of it lands on Bob's plate in the end though, and it's completely unacceptable to be this messed up in year 7. I love the influx of new users or awakening of dormant ones after a loss. Always so cordial. |
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Post by Yotes on Oct 16, 2022 9:55:59 GMT -6
Brownie -- FYI Webb is at South Alabama and hasn't caught a pass yet. I think we have offensive talent but they aren't necessarily being used effectively. You can have some Jimmy and Joes but you to have more effective Xs and Os and with more variety!! I thought he had committed to a SWAC school. I'm not surprised that he isn't doing much after moving up to FBS. I guess I never heard where Case wound up, thought he was going to Montana State or something. Was surprised when someone mentioned he is riding the bench at Illinois. I agree with the concept of the transfer portal, but it is a shame what it is doing to college athletics. (I know Case was a grad transfer and could have done this same move prior to the transfer portal, just a general musing on the whole thing). |
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Post by bobo on Oct 16, 2022 12:28:30 GMT -6
The top tier of the conference is SDSU and NDSU, no questions asked, no doubt, heads and tails above everyone else. Doesn't mean that they can't be beat, but another team will have to play lights out to do it or SDSU/NDSU will have to have a bad day. Yes, both are extremely talented at OL and DL, are systematically and fundamentally sound, play to their strengths and have a distinct plan of attack on both sides of the ball, so that is what makes them better than everyone else in the MVFC.
We need to quit comparing ourselves to the upper upper echelon of the conference right now until we prove we can consistently year to year compete at that level. Now, do we have the talent on our roster to compete with the next level of teams in the MVFC? Absolutely, no question! But not if we mismanage games, players are confused because of play calls, play with poor technique consistently upfront, and have sub-subpar QB play on offense where routine throws or reads are not routine. Our defense is playing at a level that let's us compete consistently with some very very good teams, but they need help staying off the field for longer stretches or they will wear out.
I question the level of talent evaluation skills, if some think there is no talent on the offensive side of the ball. It's just not being utilized to exploit it's skill set. RBs, TEs and WRs and that is disheartening for those kids. State does an awesome job of utilizing the skill set of the kids they have on offense because they run a system, yes they are talented but those kids offensively are used effectively to fit what they are good at.
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Post by sdyotefan on Oct 16, 2022 12:34:17 GMT -6
Case is at Illinois. Has no receptions and two punt returns totalling 16 yds.
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Post by captaincoyote on Oct 16, 2022 13:17:05 GMT -6
I don't understand how some here can say that our offensive play calling is terrible (which it is) and then say that we don't have talented skill players. I think we do, but we have no idea how to get them open and make it easy for them to be successful.
The sooner we get a new coach the sooner we can re-recruit the guys worth keeping around. The worst part of this is that doing so, will likely waste our shot at a great 2023 season with an experienced roster. The flip side of that is that it is an easier schedule for a new guy to show immediate progress.
Go Yotes.
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Post by bobo on Oct 16, 2022 13:27:18 GMT -6
Brownie Boy
Someone’s a little salty. I love it. I was at the ISU game. Actually both Elidor’s and Bell’s attempted catches were right in front of me, so I had a bird’s eye view of both of them in full speed. Could they have been caught? Go watch the replay and tell me. One was ultra high on a layup throw and yes Elidor could have possibly caught it, but it’s a tough catch going full speed. Did the ball touch Bell’s hands, yes, but being full sprawled out diving in the air and touching the ball isn’t what I’d consider it touches your hands you catch it. An appropriate throw on that one gets a TD.
Let’s blow up the ship is a great way to approach the issue.
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 16, 2022 13:51:38 GMT -6
All I know is that I am sick of this. I am sick of every year having to watch the teams to the north of us have success while we can barely scrape out a win or when we do have a successful season we cannot build on it and repeat that success. It just gets really old.
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Post by brownie on Oct 16, 2022 14:04:45 GMT -6
The reality is something isn’t right with the team and how things are being approached. We’ll probably never know the behind the scenes stuff. Someone posted back in the summer that all was not well with the program. They may have been on to something. We are almost certain to be sitting with WIU record wise when this is done. I also hadn’t heard about Webb getting into a fight. I thought it was because of Ockinga running kids off. If true, that wasn’t worth it. Plus, do we really know what was going on with Schlafke? Not saying his time wasn’t up, but to get dumped 2 games in seemed pretty drastic or desperate. Maybe Bob was told to get this fixed immediately or he was next. As bad as the Montana game was, I might have done the same thing. But as a consolation, I watched Colorado State and Utah State last night and both those offenses were pretty unimaginative and dismal. I didn’t feel so bad after watching that mess. Neither team could protect the QB. Both QB’s had about two seconds to get rid of it before they were blasted. Both 1-4 or 2-4 teams. Looked pretty familiar.
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Post by elcoyote on Oct 16, 2022 14:11:51 GMT -6
The top tier of the conference is SDSU and NDSU, no questions asked, no doubt, heads and tails above everyone else. Doesn't mean that they can't be beat, but another team will have to play lights out to do it or SDSU/NDSU will have to have a bad day. Yes, both are extremely talented at OL and DL, are systematically and fundamentally sound, play to their strengths and have a distinct plan of attack on both sides of the ball, so that is what makes them better than everyone else in the MVFC. We need to quit comparing ourselves to the upper upper echelon of the conference right now until we prove we can consistently year to year compete at that level. Now, do we have the talent on our roster to compete with the next level of teams in the MVFC? Absolutely, no question! But not if we mismanage games, players are confused because of play calls, play with poor technique consistently upfront, and have sub-subpar QB play on offense where routine throws or reads are not routine. Our defense is playing at a level that let's us compete consistently with some very very good teams, but they need help staying off the field for longer stretches or they will wear out. I question the level of talent evaluation skills, if some think there is no talent on the offensive side of the ball. It's just not being utilized to exploit it's skill set. RBs, TEs and WRs and that is disheartening for those kids. State does an awesome job of utilizing the skill set of the kids they have on offense because they run a system, yes they are talented but those kids offensively are used effectively to fit what they are good at. The offensive line has been a bone of contention for the past several years, yet the same coach is still employed. I don't get as to the why. I would think he would have to answer to the shortcomings as has been the case with other coaches who have been shown the door. I do think we have the players in place to be effective. |
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