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Post by kiyoat on Oct 25, 2022 16:03:48 GMT -6
right now things are about as evenly split as you could imagine. With 20 votes in, we have 10 for firing, 9 for more time and one undecided, with even numbers at each "grade" of decisiveness. It will be interesting to see if anything changes over the next few weeks...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 17:26:01 GMT -6
I’m sure there is a financial burden to buyout any FCS coach. Coach Nielson’s contract is up after next season. That’s a fact. 2023 is the last season under his current contract. I know it was discussed before but it looks obvious that they don’t plan to renew his contract. In 2021 he took the team to the playoffs and hosted a home playoff game. 2nd time in 4 seasons at that point. What else would he have to do to get an extension? Simple observation is there is not a plan to renew him. Unfair IMO but that’s just mine. No other programs in the Valley have the instability created with a coach whose contract is expiring. If the plan is to attract a high quality offensive coordinator, how do we expect to do that in the current situation? What would be attractive or provide enough security to someone to leave their (assumed successful) career to go to Vermillion for one guaranteed year and no promise of future security?
Are we already burying the program not having more stability in it? How about hiring an offensive coordinator with the promise that he would assume the head coaching position when Nielson "retires" at the end of the 2023 season? That way we keep the defensive staff intact and have a smooth transition. For better or worse, I imagine Nielson is going to be gone at some point soon. He's turning 65 and you'd think at some point soon he's like to sit back and just take it easy, unless he aspires to be the second coming of Amos Alonzo Stagg. Actually a very intriguing approach to it. There would definitely be some raised interest. If that were a guarantee, there is no doubt we would get a great OC. However I don’t think defensive staff would be intact as someone would want to bring in their own defensive guy in or Johannsen would take exception to that and leave on his own accord. |
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Post by easmus on Oct 25, 2022 20:02:24 GMT -6
I have to wonder how much it factors in for those who are ready to move on is related to how we seem to play every trip to Brookings? We always play our rival hard at home, but we seem to always get embarrassed in Brookings. I know I was dejected that day and left the game early. But what if Bob would’ve actually put Bouman in for the 2nd half that day? They probably don’t win, but maybe they look better and Bouman starts against ISUr & the whole vibe is different?
I am of the mind right now that instability is a killer. SDSU had a lot of lean years and hung with Stig, and it’s paid off in everything way but a title. I remember UND was having a meltdown last season about this same time of year. They had a tough schedule and their fans wanted Bubba fired. But they hung with him and this year is going better. If Bob is ready to retire, I am on record as saying that it would be interesting to know if DC TJ is HC material, because I don’t want to lose this defensive staff. I don’t want a mass exodus from that side of the ball when they’ve finally built some depth. Our best CB was out Saturday and we weathered it just fine. Manchigiah has missed some time, the safeties have still been good. Starting LB hurt 1st half of 1st game and we’ve weathered it. DL isn’t XDSU level, but they’re getting better and able to rotate more liberally. We need a new OC, and frankly I would be fine with a slightly different scheme. I really like the work with RB room. I don’t know enough about WR coach. I’ve really been frustrated with OL coaching in past. Maybe my frustrations are more with the strength staff and their body makeup? More manatee than hippos.
There was also a pandemic in the midst of all this. How much did it affect recruiting? Hard to know.
Long story short, Bob has won everywhere he has been. If a career winner comes here and can’t win and we can him after 7 years, how will other candidates view the job? Are we going to get the best and brightest?
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Post by captaincoyote on Oct 25, 2022 21:11:39 GMT -6
The OC situation really complicates all of this, but (not knowing details) I can't imagine Schlafke just went off the deep end out of nowhere. The buck always stops with the head coach and this is year freaking 7 and it still feels like we are wandering the desert.
I will admit though that it feels like this team could be poised for a major bounce back through the end of this season into next. I guess we'll find out. I still believe we have plenty of talent on offense that needs to be strategically deployed now that we can not burn redshirt in order to avoid some outbound transfers.
If money is the only deterrent to firing/retiring Bob, then give him next year's easier schedule as his curtain call. He can either go out a hero or retire quietly. As for an OC, I am sure he has a connection or two from over the years who would be willing to do some "interim" work for decent salary. That or a confident young gun who is willing to gamble on himself.
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Post by nccyote on Oct 26, 2022 7:38:44 GMT -6
Firing is a tough word. I would prefer if Bob decided to call it a career and bow out. I doubt that will happen. There are some intriguing former Yotes out there in the coaching ranks that I would like to see considered for moving this team forward: Jim Glowgoski (DC-UNO); Byron Thomas (Minot St); Wes Beschorner (UW Eau Claire). I've always been a strong and vocal advocate for seeing if Kurtiss Riggs has any interest in returning to 100 yard football. I love each of the guys that you mentioned that are former yotes, would call every one of them friends, and close friends at that. But none of those candidates would be an upgrade at head coach over what we currently have. I don't really have an opinion on Riggs since he hasn't coached 11 man football in over a decade. |
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Post by kiyoat on Oct 26, 2022 9:45:58 GMT -6
Firing is a tough word. I would prefer if Bob decided to call it a career and bow out. I doubt that will happen. There are some intriguing former Yotes out there in the coaching ranks that I would like to see considered for moving this team forward: Jim Glowgoski (DC-UNO); Byron Thomas (Minot St); Wes Beschorner (UW Eau Claire). I've always been a strong and vocal advocate for seeing if Kurtiss Riggs has any interest in returning to 100 yard football. I love each of the guys that you mentioned that are former yotes, would call every one of them friends, and close friends at that. But none of those candidates would be an upgrade at head coach over what we currently have. I don't really have an opinion on Riggs since he hasn't coached 11 man football in over a decade. Yeah, I don't have an opinion on any of those guys, but generally speaking I'd leave ties to the program pretty low on the list. It's too limiting. I think experience and contacts in recruiting the upper-Midwest is always a plus. And having a clean track record without scandals. But other than that, just find someone who has proven they can win. Whether you are talking about a HC or an OC. Just win, baby. If we are talking about a proven OC coaching in the midwest/ mountain west with HC aspirations, .... what about: Taylor Housewright, Montana State Bodie Reeder, UNI Mickey Mental, Weber State |
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Post by fightsd on Oct 26, 2022 16:29:01 GMT -6
I have to wonder how much it factors in for those who are ready to move on is related to how we seem to play every trip to Brookings? We always play our rival hard at home, but we seem to always get embarrassed in Brookings. I know I was dejected that day and left the game early. But what if Bob would’ve actually put Bouman in for the 2nd half that day? They probably don’t win, but maybe they look better and Bouman starts against ISUr & the whole vibe is different? I am of the mind right now that instability is a killer. SDSU had a lot of lean years and hung with Stig, and it’s paid off in everything way but a title. I remember UND was having a meltdown last season about this same time of year. They had a tough schedule and their fans wanted Bubba fired. But they hung with him and this year is going better. If Bob is ready to retire, I am on record as saying that it would be interesting to know if DC TJ is HC material, because I don’t want to lose this defensive staff. I don’t want a mass exodus from that side of the ball when they’ve finally built some depth. Our best CB was out Saturday and we weathered it just fine. Manchigiah has missed some time, the safeties have still been good. Starting LB hurt 1st half of 1st game and we’ve weathered it. DL isn’t XDSU level, but they’re getting better and able to rotate more liberally. We need a new OC, and frankly I would be fine with a slightly different scheme. I really like the work with RB room. I don’t know enough about WR coach. I’ve really been frustrated with OL coaching in past. Maybe my frustrations are more with the strength staff and their body makeup? More manatee than hippos. There was also a pandemic in the midst of all this. How much did it affect recruiting? Hard to know. Long story short, Bob has won everywhere he has been. If a career winner comes here and can’t win and we can him after 7 years, how will other candidates view the job? Are we going to get the best and brightest? I always struggle with the "he's won everywhere else" argument. It definitely has merit, but I think there's a difference between a winning coach in his twilight years looking for one last go round like we've had with the past two coaches and a young and hungry guy that needs to win to keep building his resume. I don't like the idea of being a stepping stone position, but I'm kind of tired of guys that are content with where they're at. |
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Post by Yotes on Oct 26, 2022 18:08:18 GMT -6
I'm always on board for a coach using USD as a stepping stone. Dawn did that. Amy did that. Anyone upset about the last decade of Coyote WBB?
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Post by easmus on Oct 26, 2022 19:23:36 GMT -6
In a perfect world we snag that up and comer coming off a winning season.
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Post by geoffjellic on Oct 27, 2022 11:48:17 GMT -6
I am not in favor of getting rid of Bob. Just too many variables and the stars would have to align perfectly to make sense. The portal is a killer for schools like USD and so is recruiting at Vermillion. Vermillion can be a very tough sell for top recruits and the last few recruiting classes have been pretty good. We are an extremely young team and talented. To blow that up now with a new coach doesn’t make sense to me. When you fire a coach the staff goes along with him (for the most part) usually a new head coach wants his own people. It would make this team that could be really good the next 2 years become first year players again under new leadership. If Bob finds a decent OC and can keep our best players on the roster and away from the portal we will be fine. Let him coach his contract out and go from there. Looking at this years schedule is anyone that shocked by our record? Illinois State is the disappointing loss. NDSU, SDSU, Montana, KSU not so much. Then throw in the Schlafke saga Bob has done a pretty good job of keeping things together…. We will see
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 27, 2022 19:14:35 GMT -6
A total start over and rebuild job will have me golfing in Saturdays instead of at the Dome. Seriously, not sure I can do the "we just need a few more birthdays" thing all over again.
Yeah, we're young now but we got dudes on this team that can compete. That wasn't always true. Let Bob coach his way out of this. One more year is not going to hurt the program.
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Post by bobo on Oct 28, 2022 10:53:17 GMT -6
I’m all for keeping Coach Nielsen. Not a dynamic guy and probably hard to get pumped with his banter, but a good facilitator organizationally and behind the scenes guy I’m sure. Very vital that he hires a very dynamic OC and a great teacher! One that has a structured concept based offense that is good at using our personnel. PLEASE PLEASE do not hire another “Air Raid” guy. You absolutely need the perfect QB to run it and that’s hard to find a guy that fully understands the system and can process information at that level. Plus, haven’t seen too many of those teams win consistently and it ain’t working in this league vs the top. Put up good numbers typically, but who cares if you can’t win games. Also, and maybe more important, keep the DC and defensive staff because their guys are balling at a high level now that they get the defense.
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Post by notkiotees on Oct 28, 2022 15:34:21 GMT -6
Once upon a time I helped coach youth baseball. When we had a pitcher get in a jam I would (almost) always lobby to give him a couple more batters to work it out.
I would vote to give Bob a couple more batters.
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Post by fightsd on Oct 29, 2022 13:24:45 GMT -6
So, have we seen enough yet? Or do we get more of the "give Bob one more year with the young team" crap? Once again, we don't belong on the same field as a middle of the pack team.
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Post by 88grad on Oct 29, 2022 13:28:49 GMT -6
So, have we seen enough yet? Or do we get more of the "give Bob one more year with the young team" crap? Once again, we don't belong on the same field as a middle of the pack team. Running the table is off the table now. Pull the plug on Bob now? I could almost be talked into it. |
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