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Post by Yotes on Oct 29, 2022 13:34:04 GMT -6
I don't believe in firing a head coach mid-season. I also can't see any scenario where Bob should return though.
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Post by fightsd on Oct 29, 2022 13:34:30 GMT -6
So, have we seen enough yet? Or do we get more of the "give Bob one more year with the young team" crap? Once again, we don't belong on the same field as a middle of the pack team. Running the table is off the table now. Pull the plug on Bob now? I could almost be talked into it. The season is lost at this point. Every day we let this go on, we are accepting mediocrity. I honestly don't care if they pull the plug today or in a month but I'm so tired of people accepting failure and making excuses for it. We don't lose flukey games, we flat out get dominated in basically all facets. The little talent on this team is probably looking at the portal already, let's start over. |
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Post by dbyote on Oct 29, 2022 14:05:39 GMT -6
I changed my vote. I hope he retires to save us the trouble
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Post by captaincoyote on Oct 29, 2022 15:09:55 GMT -6
The excuses for Bob would be much more understandable if this weren't year 7. Firing him now would give us a head start on the coaching carousel which would give the new staff time to salvage a recruiting class and recruit existing players from the portal. What do we gain by keeping him around? An 8th year of inconsistency and mediocrity?
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Post by fightsd on Oct 29, 2022 15:13:46 GMT -6
The excuses for Bob would be much more understandable if this weren't year 7. Firing him now would give us a head start on the coaching carousel which would give the new staff time to salvage a recruiting class and recruit existing players from the portal. What do we gain by keeping him around? An 8th year of inconsistency and mediocrity? I'm fine with none of the staff having keys to the office when they get back to Vermillion. Start from scratch. Go get somebody that wants to win and have him bring as many transfers as he can. |
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Post by Yotes on Oct 29, 2022 15:57:07 GMT -6
The excuses for Bob would be much more understandable if this weren't year 7. Firing him now would give us a head start on the coaching carousel which would give the new staff time to salvage a recruiting class and recruit existing players from the portal. What do we gain by keeping him around? An 8th year of inconsistency and mediocrity? Do you really get a head start on the next hire if you fire a coach mid-season? I don't think we can have meaningful conversations with candidates until they have finished their season. |
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Post by notkiotees on Oct 29, 2022 16:29:36 GMT -6
...and sometimes the next kid up hits a three run bomb.
Baseball analogies on a football thread suck.
Losing sucks
Starting over sucks
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Post by obc on Oct 29, 2022 17:06:43 GMT -6
As we all think about the state of the program and what should happen next, I think looking objectively at the record is worthwhile. Not stating any opinions, just the results. I will be interested to read your opinions based on the record.
Our record as a football program against D1 competition:
Against D1 competition the past 15 seasons
USD Overall record: 54 wins 96 losses 36% win percentage versus D1 competition - 2 winning seasons out of 15
USD Overall record in MVFC overall: 27 wins and 62 losses 30.3% win percentage - 1 winning season in MVFC out of 11
2 playoff appearances
Coach Nielson record
overall: 31 wins 40 losses 43.7% win percentage
conference only: 21 wins 28 losses 42.9% win percentage
2 winning seasons out of 7. These are the only two winning seasons for USD against D1 competition going back 15 seasons to the 2008 season.
2 playoff appearances
Coach Glenn record
overall: 12 wins and 34 losses 26.1% win percentage
conference only: 6 wins and 26 losses 18.8% win percentage
Coach Meierkort record against D1 competition
overall: 11 wins and 22 losses 33.3% winning percentage against D1 competition
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Post by 88grad on Oct 29, 2022 17:23:34 GMT -6
As we all think about the state of the program and what should happen next, I think looking objectively at the record is worthwhile. Not stating any opinions, just the results. I will be interested to read your opinions based on the record. Our record as a football program against D1 competition: Against D1 competition the past 15 seasons USD Overall record: 54 wins 96 losses 36% win percentage versus D1 competition - 2 winning seasons out of 15 USD Overall record in MVFC overall: 27 wins and 62 losses 30.3% win percentage - 1 winning season in MVFC out of 11 2 playoff appearances Coach Nielson record overall: 31 wins 40 losses 43.7% win percentage conference only: 21 wins 28 losses 42.9% win percentage 2 winning seasons out of 7. These are the only two winning seasons for USD against D1 competition going back 15 seasons to the 2008 season. 2 playoff appearances Coach Glenn record overall: 12 wins and 34 losses 26.1% win percentage conference only: 6 wins and 26 losses 18.8% win percentage Coach Meierkort record against D1 competition overall: 11 wins and 22 losses 33.3% winning percentage against D1 competition Out of the three D1 coaches Nielson has sucked the least. No one has risen above overall sucking. I’m kinda done with sucking in football year after year. |
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Post by yote18 on Oct 29, 2022 17:30:26 GMT -6
This is an honest question, but why as a fan base are we so content with the safe options? You could argue our entire problem dates back to the initial D1 transitions when we stayed put cause we were content. Had we transitioned at the same time we would’ve found ways to remain competitive as we all went through the growing pains. But thats long gone already, so we have a choice we can continue to fall behind and be content with a half full dome as fans lose interest each loss or we can hit reset and hopefully build a program into an annual contender. We can’t do much worse when we’re already used to the bottom of the pack.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 29, 2022 18:41:18 GMT -6
This is an honest question, but why as a fan base are we so content with the safe options? You could argue our entire problem dates back to the initial D1 transitions when we stayed put cause we were content. Had we transitioned at the same time we would’ve found ways to remain competitive as we all went through the growing pains. But thats long gone already, so we have a choice we can continue to fall behind and be content with a half full dome as fans lose interest each loss or we can hit reset and hopefully build a program into an annual contender. We can’t do much worse when we’re already used to the bottom of the pack. We bought the MVFC's reigning coach of the year and dumped a lot of money into facilities. That's not a "content" administration to me. Just because it hasn't worked out doesn't mean we aren't striving for something greater. |
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Post by fightsd on Oct 29, 2022 19:47:14 GMT -6
Nielsen wasn't necessarily the safe option and seemed like a good hire at the time. I'm just really tired of having this be a retirement gig for our head coaches. Who was the last head coach of Coyote football that got pursued by bigger programs? Ed, Joe, and now Bob have all been on the tail end of their careers at USD. Go find somebody that's hungry to win even if the only reason is they're chasing an FCS payday down the road. Create a culture of winning and everything else will fall into place.
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Post by captaincoyote on Oct 29, 2022 19:47:25 GMT -6
The excuses for Bob would be much more understandable if this weren't year 7. Firing him now would give us a head start on the coaching carousel which would give the new staff time to salvage a recruiting class and recruit existing players from the portal. What do we gain by keeping him around? An 8th year of inconsistency and mediocrity? Do you really get a head start on the next hire if you fire a coach mid-season? I don't think we can have meaningful conversations with candidates until they have finished their season. Officially being in the market for a new coach allows you to begin having real talks with agents and creates urgency around scouting for and vetting under the radar candidates. Much of this is not work the athletics department would be doing if they're still debating whether or not to fire the coach. |
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Post by captaincoyote on Oct 29, 2022 19:56:17 GMT -6
Nielsen wasn't necessarily the safe option and seemed like a good hire at the time. I'm just really tired of having this be a retirement gig for our head coaches. Who was the last head coach of Coyote football that got pursued by bigger programs? Ed, Joe, and now Bob have all been on the tail end of their careers at USD. Go find somebody that's hungry to win even if the only reason is they're chasing an FCS payday down the road. Create a culture of winning and everything else will fall into place. NDSU is rolling through new coaches like Alabama keeps rolling through new QBs. They're the 1964-1975 UCLA basketball of FCS football. That's the goal. Stigelmeiers and Williamsons just don't happen very often. Herbster needs to go find himself a Craig Smith/Amy Williams for football. That would be amazing. |
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Post by yote18 on Oct 31, 2022 9:43:16 GMT -6
Bob, while being the reigning coach of the year, was a safe option. His results at WIU weren’t that impressive. But my point is there are fans who want us to give him another 2-3 years. That is playing it safe with mediocrity.
We all should be demanding a change, wether it’s keep Bob and revamp the assistants to bring in some new blood or it’s an entire overhaul. Now is the time though, especially with another future powerhouse in the region on the rise in St Thomas who (granted they play in the pioneer league) are ranked #25 and have found success in year 2 of D1. It won’t be long until they’re sought after by The Valley and we need to establish some consistency before they are.
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