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Post by yoteforever on Oct 15, 2023 11:59:35 GMT -6
What is Theis' status? We have a really good stable of running backs, but let's be honest, he's the main stud. If he's just a little banged up I can see dressing him to play next week, but trying not to unless it's necessary. We're DEFINITELY going to need him 2 weeks from now. He’ll be fine |
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Post by soofooyote on Oct 16, 2023 6:43:28 GMT -6
I know winning always helps attendance, but like others have said, there is more to it. I am not sure if it is culture or what, but something is missing. Somehow SDSU has turned football games into events where 18,000+ show up for virtually every game. I have been to a couple of USD games at SDSU and the overall experience (parking, concessions, harsh weather later in the year, game production, etc) is at best equal to that at USD and is some instances substandard to that at USD, but yet they pack them in and we don't I know the purpose of institutional advertising isn't to put butts in the seats at athletic events, but I don think our lack of institutional advertising plays a part in our attendance woes. You watch any state sponsored high school championship on TV, you always see multiple SDSU ads and zero USD ads. If you use the SD Scores ap to follow SD high school FB, VB & BB, SDSU ads always pop up and zero USD ads. It's a short trip into Brookings from the farm, especially when you livefor it. Just the truth of it, nothing wrong with that, USD's grads are just on to different things for the large part. |
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 16, 2023 7:00:37 GMT -6
Enough of the farm talk. South Central South Dakota, which is where I call home and is definitely farm and ranch country, is a lot closer to Vermillion than Brookings. I also grew up on a farm and have a lot of my family still in farming that are huge Coyote fans and often make the 2 hour trip to Verm to catch the Yotes in action.
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Post by soofooyote on Oct 16, 2023 7:09:43 GMT -6
Enough of the farm talk. South Central South Dakota, which is where I call home and is definitely farm and ranch country, is a lot closer to Vermillion than Brookings. I also grew up on a farm and have a lot of my family still in farming that are huge Coyote fans and often make the 2 hour trip to Verm to catch the Yotes in action. As I clearly said, nothing wrong with that, and it's not a disparaging post, it's just the truth. That's the difference between USD and SDSU and attendance and it will always be a factor. They simply have more fans within driving distance than we do and they take a greater interest in their athletics as a general rule and many of them live for Jack's athletics. We just don't have the same level of passion in the same numbers of people. It's unfortunate and hopefully one day continued success will even the playing field. |
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Post by marco on Oct 16, 2023 7:31:25 GMT -6
We do better than state for volleyball. Two years ago we did better in women basketball. I hope if we keep building a winning program it will get better it took state a while to get where they are. After .Watching those freshman play we have a good future. Must say it was dissapoining to be at the game seeing so many empty seats
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Post by kiyoat on Oct 16, 2023 9:25:43 GMT -6
We do better than state for volleyball. Two years ago we did better in women basketball. I hope if we keep building a winning program it will get better it took state a while to get where they are. After .Watching those freshman play we have a good future. Must say it was disappointing to be at the game seeing so many empty seats Those are good examples of what is possible. If Craig Smith and Matt Mooney had stuck around for another year or two, I think Men's BB would have seen a big bump in fan interest. Football success is an even bigger deal, of course, and would have a very big impact on the fanbase as a whole... but it takes time and consistent winning. The WBB and VB programs were very good and consistent for several years before the fanbase caught on (they are still very good). So it takes time. I also agree we need to stop with the farmer references to SDSU. It's fun to rib them, but at the end of the day, our fanbases are essentially very similar. There are a lot more types of degrees at State than Ag ones, and the city of Brookings is similar in political leanings to Vermillion, being about 50 to 55% liberal, which is a lot more balanced than most of the state outside of Sioux Falls. Stereotypes are fun, but often not accurate or helpful. I think they have some advantages that have nothing to do with farmers: They have always had a larger undergraduate population, where we have a larger grad student population. That makes a difference with student activities, involvement, homecoming, etc. Grad Students are just more focused on academics than following sports teams. Our Greek community and traditions are much stronger, but despite the fact that I partook in that, I don't know that it helps with unity in the student population. It makes things a little more tribal, IMHO. Having a higher # of men in the student body allows them to sponsor more men's sports, like baseball and wrestling. So that brings in the fans of those sports. And the big one, of course, has to be the fact that they went D-1 first. There is value in monopolizing and bringing in the casual fan from SD early. That's where recruiting local kids is such a HUGE thing IMHO. We need to get those locals that were previously neutral or casual fans back to the red side. So I think that we have seen what is possible with WBB and VB: sustained on-field (or court) success WILL result in a bigger and better fan base. The admins are doing mostly the right things. The consistent winning is the missing ingredient in football and Men's BB. We may always have a smaller fan base than the Jacks overall, but that isn't the point. We should be filling up our stands and keeping the Athletic Department financially healthy. And I think we will. |
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Post by steelsd on Oct 16, 2023 10:39:24 GMT -6
Enough of the farm talk. South Central South Dakota, which is where I call home and is definitely farm and ranch country, is a lot closer to Vermillion than Brookings. I also grew up on a farm and have a lot of my family still in farming that are huge Coyote fans and often make the 2 hour trip to Verm to catch the Yotes in action. As I clearly said, nothing wrong with that, and it's not a disparaging post, it's just the truth. That's the difference between USD and SDSU and attendance and it will always be a factor. They simply have more fans within driving distance than we do and they take a greater interest in their athletics as a general rule and many of them live for Jack's athletics. We just don't have the same level of passion in the same numbers of people. It's unfortunate and hopefully one day continued success will even the playing field. Evidently the word "truth" means something different to you than the rest of the world. No Pharmacists, teachers, nurses, engineers, etc. coming from SDSU, just farmers... |
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Post by sdyotefan on Oct 16, 2023 11:13:19 GMT -6
But no doctors, lawyers, business grads (except ag), either.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 16, 2023 11:17:07 GMT -6
As I clearly said, nothing wrong with that, and it's not a disparaging post, it's just the truth. That's the difference between USD and SDSU and attendance and it will always be a factor. They simply have more fans within driving distance than we do and they take a greater interest in their athletics as a general rule and many of them live for Jack's athletics. We just don't have the same level of passion in the same numbers of people. It's unfortunate and hopefully one day continued success will even the playing field. Evidently the word "truth" means something different to you than the rest of the world. No Pharmacists, teachers, nurses, engineers, etc. coming from SDSU, just farmers... You can't be a farmer unless you inherit one, so maybe hicks would be a better term. |
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Post by nccyote on Oct 16, 2023 11:31:55 GMT -6
I know winning always helps attendance, but like others have said, there is more to it. I am not sure if it is culture or what, but something is missing. Somehow SDSU has turned football games into events where 18,000+ show up for virtually every game. I have been to a couple of USD games at SDSU and the overall experience (parking, concessions, harsh weather later in the year, game production, etc) is at best equal to that at USD and is some instances substandard to that at USD, but yet they pack them in and we don't I know the purpose of institutional advertising isn't to put butts in the seats at athletic events, but I don think our lack of institutional advertising plays a part in our attendance woes. You watch any state sponsored high school championship on TV, you always see multiple SDSU ads and zero USD ads. If you use the SD Scores ap to follow SD high school FB, VB & BB, SDSU ads always pop up and zero USD ads. I'm tired of making excuses for poor attendance, too, but it does take consistency. Remember back 4-5 years ago as sdsu was finally getting over the hump? they earned their first playoff seed and had around 4500 in attendance for that game. It was like that for 2-3 years until around 2020 when they became serious national title contenders. From that point on they've had something special, close to selling out every home game. That consistency matters. I don't care what sport it is, people want consistency. They want a product they can count on. If i'm going to shell out a $1,000 for season tickets, spend fall saturdays going to and from vermillion with a young family, invite friends and family to come with and tailgate, I want to see a good product. Our program's inconsistency hasn't stopped me from doing those things but I admit before we renewed this season my wife and I have questioned "is this worth it?". This year has been refreshing and is bringing back my hopes. I believe we have a chance at getting over the hump but we need a consistent product. Multiple years of good, consistent, fun, winning football. It's an easy answer to say it takes time and consistency, but it's true. |
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Post by steelsd on Oct 16, 2023 12:18:53 GMT -6
But no doctors, lawyers, business grads (except ag), either. So none of the graduates from those programs may also have degrees from SDSU? |
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Post by kiyoat on Oct 16, 2023 13:03:29 GMT -6
But no doctors, lawyers, business grads (except ag), either. So none of the graduates from those programs may also have degrees from SDSU? wow. So that's why you're commenting in here? A pissing contest about degree offerings? Thanks for the great contributions.  |
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Post by teamsd on Oct 16, 2023 14:18:29 GMT -6
But no doctors, lawyers, business grads (except ag), either. Give us all a break dude. And I’m a Yote fan. |
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Post by fightsd on Oct 16, 2023 14:20:38 GMT -6
Wow this is a stupid discussion. Kind of what I expected when a state fan joined in I guess, but we've really gotten off topic.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Oct 16, 2023 15:18:38 GMT -6
As a Jackrabbit raised by Jackrabbits with graduate degrees from the U, who themselves were raised by parents with degrees from both places, I am always mystified by the pretend superiority of both places.
We're all just lowly South Dakotans, right?
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