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Post by pierreyote on Oct 24, 2011 20:16:14 GMT -6
As discussed earlier. They are leaving for the Southland.
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Post by chuck on Oct 25, 2011 5:50:28 GMT -6
Maybe it is my morning coffee, but I am thinking that UND joining the Summit but staying in the Big Sky for football only is mostly a win-win for most involved:
Summit League gets a stable flagship university joining traditional geographic rivals.
UND has a home for football yet doesn't have to fly their soccer/tennis/cross country teams all over the place to play in front of nobody.
Big Sky retains a solid football member without having to deal with the travel to Grand Forks for all of their other sports.
Why wouldn't this work?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 7:26:09 GMT -6
Maybe it is my morning coffee, but I am thinking that UND joining the Summit but staying in the Big Sky for football only is mostly a win-win for most involved: Summit League gets a stable flagship university joining traditional geographic rivals. UND has a home for football yet doesn't have to fly their soccer/tennis/cross country teams all over the place to play in front of nobody. Big Sky retains a solid football member without having to deal with the travel to Grand Forks for all of their other sports. Why wouldn't this work? I dont think the luxury of picking and chosing leagues based on sports will be allowed. If Conference A offers basketball, and football, you pretty much have to compete in that conference to be a bonifide member. UND is going to have to deal with travel issues for all sports offered by the Big Sky. The Big Sky does not offer baseball so that might be an exception. With ORU dropping out the baseball membership in the Summit is down to five or six teams, UND might be allowed to compete in the Summit for that sport only. Your guess is as good as mine.  |
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Post by chuck on Oct 25, 2011 7:45:02 GMT -6
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 25, 2011 9:10:47 GMT -6
Do I need to point out again how shortsighted the Summit League choice was? We could be sitting comfortable in the Big Sky.
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 25, 2011 9:40:13 GMT -6
Still a lot of cards to be played in the conference realignment game. I still think the Summit/MVFC route was the best choice and that it eventually include UND, but obviously time will tell.
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Post by yoteforever on Oct 25, 2011 9:48:37 GMT -6
Do I need to point out again how shortsighted the Summit League choice was? We could be sitting comfortable in the Big Sky. ding ding ding |
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Post by pierreyote on Oct 25, 2011 10:14:48 GMT -6
I think we all need to just relax. The Summit League will be fine. No doubt the conference was better with than without ORU but changes happen. I am sure the conference was prepared for this defection and probably planning alternate plans for future defections. Even without ORU the Summit League will have a higher RPI than the Big Sky. In addition, the footprint of the SL is 10x better than the Big Sky. There are more schools to the east that can be considered and added that are closer to Vermillion SD than the closest Big Sky school of UNC (greely 550 miles). Our teams will be playing games against SDSU, NDSU, UNI and UNO that will bring more fans to our campus than all other games against Big Sky schools combined. We won't have away games that end at 1:00 AM central time and thus never see the light of day in the media. If you think the Argus/Television is pro SDSU now just imagine how bad it will be if we have games in the Pacific time zone. Travel is easier. More road games to attend. We are in the middle of the new backbone of the Summit League and have some sway in future conference decisions.
ORU didn't leave the Summit League because they think the Southland is better. They left the Summit because they are trimming expenses and realize they are no longer the big fish. The Southland other than baseball is garbage. I realize baseball is huge for them but with the additions of SDSU and NDSU they were also starting to see their dominance slip. Honestly, if that is the mentality of their atheltic department, taking their ball and going home, then good riddance and good luck.
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Post by chuck on Oct 25, 2011 10:58:24 GMT -6
I think we all need to just relax. The Summit League will be fine. No doubt the conference was better with than without ORU but changes happen. I am sure the conference was prepared for this defection and probably planning alternate plans for future defections. Even without ORU the Summit League will have a higher RPI than the Big Sky. In addition, the footprint of the SL is 10x better than the Big Sky. There are more schools to the east that can be considered and added that are closer to Vermillion SD than the closest Big Sky school of UNC (greely 550 miles). Our teams will be playing games against SDSU, NDSU, UNI and UNO that will bring more fans to our campus than all other games against Big Sky schools combined. We won't have away games that end at 1:00 AM central time and thus never see the light of day in the media. If you think the Argus/Television is pro SDSU now just imagine how bad it will be if we have games in the Pacific time zone. Travel is easier. More road games to attend. We are in the middle of the new backbone of the Summit League and have some sway in future conference decisions. ORU didn't leave the Summit League because they think the Southland is better. They left the Summit because they are trimming expenses and realize they are no longer the big fish. The Southland other than baseball is garbage. I realize baseball is huge for them but with the additions of SDSU and NDSU they were also starting to see their dominance slip. Honestly, if that is the mentality of their atheltic department, taking their ball and going home, then good riddance and good luck. Completely agree |
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 25, 2011 11:13:36 GMT -6
My point is that now makes 20 teams in the last 20 years that have left the Summit. The Summit cannot handle any more defections. Who is next? Oakland? IUPUI? IPFW? How many more hits can the Summit sustain and still remain viable and where do we find replacement schools?
Bottom line is the Summit has been, still is, and appears always will be a transition spot for D1 schools looking to move somewhere else and not a permanent conference. USD had a permanent conference and let it slip away. Now we are stuck in an unstable conference that we are happy to call home? I don't understand it, but at least we get to play State. Sometimes I think that is all any USD fansa care about. Personally, I could give two craps if we ever play them again.
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 25, 2011 11:20:42 GMT -6
I'll also add that UND is not coming back anytime soon. By all appearances they are happy with the BSC and the opportunity that conference gives them to raise the profile of their school.
Edited: I also want to add that there are plenty of fans on both the SDSU and NDSU message boards that think their AD's need to get on the horn to the BSC now and see about joining that conference.
Gee, if USD would have joined the BSC when we had the chance there probably would be no UNO in the Summit and the SU's would be beating down Fullerton's door to get in the BSC along with UND and USD. We could have had conference stability and the SDSU game you all want so much.
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Post by jman1985 on Oct 25, 2011 11:50:33 GMT -6
Once again, going to the Big Sky would've been a horrible decision.
So what, Oral Roberts leaves the Summit? League still has some great schools and rivals for USD. I'm not going to panic because ORU is leaving. Good for them. Nebraska-Omaha is joining next year, and you know the Summit will look at adding another Midwest school in the near future.
I was thinking about this yesterday: Can you imagine how miserable life would be if USD was hosting Weber State, Northern Arizona or Northern Colorado in basketball, when it could be hosting South Dakota State, North Dakota State or Oakland, etc?
The Summit League is where USD needs to be. End of story.
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Post by pierreyote on Oct 25, 2011 12:03:04 GMT -6
I'll also add that UND is not coming back anytime soon. By all appearances they are happy with the BSC and the opportunity that conference gives them to raise the profile of their school. Edited: I also want to add that there are plenty of fans on both the SDSU and NDSU message boards that think their AD's need to get on the horn to the BSC now and see about joining that conference. Gee, if USD would have joined the BSC when we had the chance there probably would be no UNO in the Summit and the SU's would be beating down Fullerton's door to get in the BSC along with UND and USD. We could have had conference stability and the SDSU game you all want so much. It's not all about the SDSU game by any means. Does that help? Yes. Forget about FBS schools. Look at the FCS schools and Mid Major Basketball Schools. WHat is the one thing in common about their moves? It is about reducing travel. Look at the so called defections from the Summit League/Mid Con. All of them was about the location and close proximity of the other schools in the new conference. I think back to when USD made the move. Heck I think back to when XDSU's made the move and realize our current situation in the Summit/MVFC is an absolute best case realistic scenario. The Summit loses Centenary and Southern Utah. Both bad programs and complete outliers for travel. We gain a football less UNO. The ORU defection hurts but the Summit will be fine. The athletic departments at this level do not have a blank check to cover expenses. The Summit League provides the best of all worlds. Does that mean the conference doesn't have some work to do? No. But jeez what conference isn't worried about defections. People talk about the Big Sky like it is the SEC. It is not. There is a very good reason they swallowed up teams from 3 time zones like candy last year and also allowed exceptions for football only membership. One issue that is pretty much constant at our level of D-I is change. If someday that change is to join the BSC with a I-29 corridor as the backbone then I would be fine and greet it with open arms. Until that day arrives the Summit/MVFC is where we should be. |
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Post by jackl on Oct 25, 2011 12:22:06 GMT -6
I'll also add that UND is not coming back anytime soon. By all appearances they are happy with the BSC and the opportunity that conference gives them to raise the profile of their school. Edited: I also want to add that there are plenty of fans on both the SDSU and NDSU message boards that think their AD's need to get on the horn to the BSC now and see about joining that conference. Gee, if USD would have joined the BSC when we had the chance there probably would be no UNO in the Summit and the SU's would be beating down Fullerton's door to get in the BSC along with UND and USD. We could have had conference stability and the SDSU game you all want so much. Please. NOBODY on our board said anything like that. I only think one poster even mentioned the BSC. A UND poster asked the Bison fans if they would join now,TWO responded. Obviously ORU leaving isn't a good thing but it's not the end of the world, or the Summit. I'm sure the main reason they are leaving is because of costs, the same reason USD opted for the Summit instead of the BSC |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 25, 2011 15:28:01 GMT -6
My point is that now makes 20 teams in the last 20 years that have left the Summit. The Summit cannot handle any more defections. Who is next? Oakland? IUPUI? IPFW? How many more hits can the Summit sustain and still remain viable and where do we find replacement schools? Bottom line is the Summit has been, still is, and appears always will be a transition spot for D1 schools looking to move somewhere else and not a permanent conference. USD had a permanent conference and let it slip away. Now we are stuck in an unstable conference that we are happy to call home? I don't understand it, but at least we get to play State. Sometimes I think that is all any USD fansa care about. Personally, I could give two craps if we ever play them again. Yote 53 don't you dare try to convince the pro Summit/MVFC that the Big Sky was a good option. I can guarentee that the people that wanted the Summit primary wanted to be in the same conference as SDSU regardless of the rest of the conference makeup. If the Summit ends up being NDSU, SDSU, USD, UNO and UMKC people would still defend the decision. I have come to accept the curret conference situation but everyone has the right to their opinion and a right to express it. What will the Summit people say if the State U's and South Dakota come running to the Big Sky only to be turned down. Travel is the reality of D1. It's not like going to Indiana, Illinois, Michigan etc are short trips. A plane ride is a place ride whether it's to Indiana or California. It's really only a 2 hour difference at max when it comes to getting on an airplane. The Summit League for all sports is not exactly looking up right now. I think the Summit should have been trying to get to 12 schools all along just because of qhat happened with Oral Roberts. If the Eastern Block leaves the conference we are looking at a new NCC with the future newer members being transitional schools. |
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