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Post by joeybrownerhof on Nov 23, 2011 23:28:29 GMT -6
Josh is OU offensive coordinator. Not going to happen. The fighting Pheasants have a better shot at landing Terry Francona, born in sodak, as their manager than heupel even entertaining he idea to be a HC at USD.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 23, 2011 23:58:56 GMT -6
I don't like to limit the possibilities. You can never touch the stars if you don't reach high. One thing I really like about Sayler is that he doesn't let things limit his thinking. He would rather think too big than think too small. I like that about him. Sayler brought to near reality building a basketball arena when past administration just laughed and said it was years down the road. Not Sayler. He is a "lets make it happen soon" or "lets make it happen today" guy. More people need to do that. People don't demand that USD wins now. Sayler does that. It's time to move forward now and make things happen now, not tomorrow, not next week and not next year.
Great Job Sayler.
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Post by bisoninnwmn on Nov 24, 2011 6:46:51 GMT -6
What about the coach from Sioux Falls that Lennon took to Southern Illinois with him.
I remember a few years back on bisonville that many wanted him to come to NDSU and be the OC. Many talked highly of him......they did beat UND at their place....
You guys probably know more about him....
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Post by jman1985 on Nov 24, 2011 9:40:48 GMT -6
Yeah, Kalen DeBoer. He's been the OC at Southern Illinois for two years after putting together an amazing stint at the U of Sioux Falls, something like 67-3.
Not sure if he's interested, but he would obviously bring local connections; he knows how to recruit South Dakota and the midwest. He knows the Mo Valley; that can't be understated.
I'm curious to see if he calls in to David Sayler
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Post by joeybrownerhof on Nov 24, 2011 9:56:23 GMT -6
Brad Salem- coached at USD, HC at Augie, Running Backs/Recruiting Coordinator at Michigan State.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 24, 2011 12:40:41 GMT -6
BTW, Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.
I am of the opinion that truley good coaching can generally transfer from one level to the next. My gosh look at what Caruso has done at St. Thomas. He is not just winning there, he is dominating there. That sounds very familiar to what he was like as OC at USD.
Look at what DeBoer did at USF. I am not sure if he was at the helm at the time but his teams with upper NAIA talent beat UND and that was not a fluke. USD couldn't win in Grand Forks with above average D1 FCS talent. DeBoer didn't just win at USF he dominated at USF. He turned a very good USF program into a NAIA juggernaut.
I would rather go with a coach that dominated at his particular level than a coach that is just on an average staff just because he has D1 experience. It means something to have D1 experience but it's far from the be all end all.
Often times having a good head coach is a product of good timing, good research and a little bit of dumb luck (but only a little bit).
When Ed was hired he was a good coach in Wisconsin but wasn't a great coach. I look at DeBoer and Caruso as having a chance at greatness at USD. I am not claiming I know the best candidate but I am claiming to have an open mind about this. I think Sayler takes that same approach. He doesn't play the "rule out game" until due diligence has been done and I am happy about that.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 24, 2011 22:40:21 GMT -6
I am of the opinion that there is a huge difference between NCAA Division III and NCAA Division I. I would be very hesitant about Caruso, but not disappointed. I just want someone with good Division I experience.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 24, 2011 23:25:54 GMT -6
OK who would you rather have Meadows the OC at South Dakota State who obviously has D1 experience with the Jacks or a guy like Caruso or DeBoer. Meadows would have the experience but experience at an average D1 program.
I want guys that have head coaching experience and have been very good or dominant at their level. The D1 Coordinators that I would look at are ones that had previous head coaching experience somewhere else and were very good as the CEO of the football team.
I have been thinking about this off an on today and Kalen DeBoer has become my #1 wish of all the coaches that I know about that are possiblities. He dominated as head coach and had a small peak at D1 FCS. I think Caruso is #2. I don't know about Heupel because I don't know if he has been a head coach. I don't know about Glenn because of his age and it's been awhile since he has been somewhere and been successfull. He has been out of coaching for awhile as well.
So far I rank them
DeBoer Caruso Glenn Heupel (because I don't know enough about him)
It's time to see if there is a website out there that talks about potential available college coaches. I would also like to know more about Kurtis Riggs as well. He has dominated at his profession but I don't know of his experience as a 100 yard football coach. I don't know of the translation but the name is intriguing.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 24, 2011 23:33:36 GMT -6
After further review Heupel has never had head coaching experience. I don't like that fact. Too much risk IMO.
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Post by lakesbison on Nov 24, 2011 23:48:51 GMT -6
all 4 of those names are WEAKSAUCE, time to find a D coord, O coord from a bigger school.
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Post by drdank on Nov 25, 2011 9:15:43 GMT -6
Not to be disrespectful of any former coaches or conferences or players, but USD is now D-I and hence, on the national stage. Not to slight SD high school, but the states population size cannot produce enough players for 1 school, let alone 2 major programs and the pull from other states.
This might sound crude, but going after the type of names mentioned before are going to drop us back into D-2 status. We are competing against the Missouri and Ohio Valleys for FCS talent, plus the Big Ten and whatever the new alignment of nearby BCS teams will be called. Not Augie, Dakota Mines, and Sioux Falls. Ed opened up some solid recruiting channels in Illinois and Florida. We need someone who can maintain those relationships and expand to many more.
We need someone who has recruited, coached, and won with that talent level. We just went through Ed and a bunch of GA's. We must now have a proven head coach, tested coordinators, and experienced position coaches. When they start to move on, we'll have a smooth operation that can continue to develop grad assistants and players.
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Post by newtousd33 on Nov 25, 2011 10:49:09 GMT -6
Anyone know what Ed's salary was? It will be interesting to see if we have the resources to pay more for a HC but also we need to pay significantly more for assistants.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 25, 2011 10:50:24 GMT -6
Yeah, if you look at Southern Illinois record this year, I do not think it was that good, so that is concerning with DeBoer. Brad Salem has done a good job up at Michigan State and is the recruiting coordinator, so he knows what to look for in talent for D-I and knows how to recruit it up there at Michigan State.
He would be my #2 after Heupel, who is the co-offensive coordinator at Oklahoma. You know, Oklahoma right. I have it at a -50% shot that Heupel would ever consider coaching USD, but you make the call. So what if he does not answer is.
After Salem, it's Joe Glenn to me since he has a good amount of D-1 experience.
No, I would not want Meadows. I said a pretty good D-1 coordinator. Have to be smart about this. Sometimes it is not even the head coach that does most of the recruiting, so a pretty good coordinator is usually a pretty good recruiter.
After the three I mentioned, it's a mixed bag for me. I do like DeBoer better than Caruso, because there is a big difference between NCAA D-III and NCAA Division I. For those of you that would like Caruso, then USD should be looking at Grand Valley State's coach too, since he has a pretty good track record at Division II. I am not excited about either.
There are also plenty of other coordinators we have not heard of yet that could have a shot at the job.
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Post by jman1985 on Nov 25, 2011 11:07:00 GMT -6
Ed's annual salary was $95,366
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Post by coyotega on Nov 25, 2011 11:25:35 GMT -6
Dr Dank has it right imo. SD connections are not as important as connections to the rust belt, Fla, Tx, Calif etc since that is where the population of good fb players come from. Look at the hometowns of the leaders of the MVFC and only one is from these parts, Tyrel Kool, and congrats to him on that. Few, less than 1% of hs seniors playing fb, are going to play at D1 level (6% any level). I think Vermillion, compared to larger cities, is actually a pleasant surprise for someone with younger kids, so I am not worried about them liking USD. One thing I did like about Meierkort is that he had made inroads into Fla and the Jucos for recruiting, the same process Joe Salem followed thirty five years ago when he took a bunch of Indiana, Ill and Fla kids, including Duncombe, Johnny Vann, Vern Henderson, Ira Dawson, Sylvester White and put them on the field at USD. If you want to be a good coach, you start with good players, and to get those you need credibility and connections with the hs school coaches who can help you identify who is maybe just a bit undersized, like Stefan Logan, or even oversized, and not getting recruited.
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